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the violent left - 10/23/2008 1:43:41 PM
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backrowbaptist
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Signs of a growing trend towards violence from the oh-so-tolerant left.
Republican HQ Manager's Home Shot Up Over McCain Signs
Rog Coverely said several pellets pierced his Longwood home. Coverely showed several spiderwebbed-holes in the front windows of his home.
The Republican manager said he is convinced he was targeted because of new McCain signs he added around his home.
http://www.local6.com/politics/17784129/detail.html
Schwarzenegger Passes Law to Protect Animal Researchers
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was busy this past weekend, signing state laws protecting all sorts of academic types. Animal researchers who have been under attack lately in the Golden State are somewhat safer now that the governor signed a law that strengthens protections for them, the Daily Californian reports. University of California researchers from Los Angeles to Santa Cruz have been victims of severe vandalism and fire bombings, acts that police have attributed to extreme animal rights activists.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/paper-trail/2008/9/30/schwarzenegger-passes-laws-to-protect-animal-researchers.html?s_cid=rss:paper-trail:schwarzenegger-passes-laws-to-protect-animal-researchers
Six Minnesota Congress members' homes vandalized
The homes of six Minnesota members of Congress — Sens. Norm Coleman and Amy Klobuchar, Reps. John Kline, Jim Ramstad, Keith Ellison and Michele Bachmann-- were hit with graffiti last night or early this morning
http://www.twincities.com/ci_10784127?source=most_emailed
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RE: the violent left - 10/23/2008 3:05:33 PM
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Yeah, we saw even more of this when the left descended on our town during the Republican convention; destroying property, threatening to attack people, generally rioting. I find it ironic the left who post on this board are quick to note if McCain supporters do anything they think smacks of 'intimidation' (like standing on the road, protesting) but when it comes to actual violence, they are silent.
More of the 'change' Obama has promised.
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RE: the violent left - 10/23/2008 3:07:16 PM
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Um, the left supports the murder of babies; should we actually be surprised that they might be prone to violence?
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RE: the violent left - 10/23/2008 3:26:54 PM
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Most of the "law and order" crowd are conservatives and most of the "lawless" crowd are lefties. The far left is hate filled and considers any means to get the end that they want to be acceptable. The right and even the far right tends to take a legal approach to change. Do you remember something called "national socialism" in Germany? That was the left gone to the extreme and with complete control.. with no balance of power. Yes, the left is violent and frankly really scary.
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RE: the violent left - 10/23/2008 9:17:47 PM
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Well, the real common thread in every single 'riot' that I can remember is that the particpants were democrats.
Most, of course, were by radical left democrats. But, 'new deal', 'Yellar dog' democrats in the south got pretty nasty when blacks had to be escorted to the schoolroom by the National Guard.
I wonder of they will find that there is a specific democrat gene that causes one to have difficulty with long-term thinking combined with a propensity to violence while protesting for peace. 
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Most of the "law and order" crowd are conservatives and most of the "lawless" crowd are lefties. The far left is hate filled and considers any means to get the end that they want to be acceptable. The right and even the far right tends to take a legal approach to change. Do you remember something called "national socialism" in Germany? That was the left gone to the extreme and with complete control.. with no balance of power. Yes, the left is violent and frankly really scary.
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 12:10:13 PM
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Yeah, we saw even more of this when the left descended on our town during the Republican convention; destroying property, threatening to attack people, generally rioting. I find it ironic the left who post on this board are quick to note if McCain supporters do anything they think smacks of 'intimidation' (like standing on the road, protesting) but when it comes to actual violence, they are silent.
More of the 'change' Obama has promised.
Um?
I'm very anti-protest in general. They may have been useful in the past, but at this point, with the state of media and such, and the complexities of the issues... they do a lot more harm than good, provide cover for anarchists and assorted psychopaths, and generally provoke or provide an excuse for a lot of people to be on their worst behavior. Many people, probably most people who go to protests have the best of intentions, but really... the road to hell and all that.
In general, I'm pro-stability. It's generally the best environment for reaching a reasonable and amicable solution, it's the point from which (even if it's a particularly pernicious stability) progress can be made, freedoms can blossom, and money can flow. Chaos, and almost any modern protest fits this bill at least in a significant part, is antithetical to this. For purposes of getting a message out, protests are also largely incoherent and scatterbrained.
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 12:52:49 PM
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Can we say Krystalnacht (sp?) anyone? The radical left will stop at nothing until it is in power, just as the Brown Shirts, the SA, and then the SS and the Waffen SS did in Germany in the 1930s.
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Most of the "law and order" crowd are conservatives and most of the "lawless" crowd are lefties. The far left is hate filled and considers any means to get the end that they want to be acceptable. The right and even the far right tends to take a legal approach to change. Do you remember something called "national socialism" in Germany? That was the left gone to the extreme and with complete control.. with no balance of power. Yes, the left is violent and frankly really scary.
J
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 1:06:29 PM
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huangshan
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Uh...
"Law and order" seems like it goes hand-in-hand with secret police and a police state and all that.
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 1:07:52 PM
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Can we say Krystalnacht (sp?) anyone? The radical left will stop at nothing until it is in power, just as the Brown Shirts, the SA, and then the SS and the Waffen SS did in Germany in the 1930s.
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Most of the "law and order" crowd are conservatives and most of the "lawless" crowd are lefties. The far left is hate filled and considers any means to get the end that they want to be acceptable. The right and even the far right tends to take a legal approach to change. Do you remember something called "national socialism" in Germany? That was the left gone to the extreme and with complete control.. with no balance of power. Yes, the left is violent and frankly really scary.
J
Those parties are actually associated with the far RIGHT and they don't represent the majority of people on the right just like the anarchist types don't represent everyone on the left.
I personally have had trash thrown in our lawn because of our Obama sign but I don't think it represents the Republican party or all McCain supporters. That would be stupid of me to make that connection! There are ignorant people in every political persuasion!
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 5:36:51 PM
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Well.. in the first case is that I actually KNEW some of the leaders of the anti-war demonstrators and MANY of its participants. Most were staunch McGovern supporters.
In the second case, it's well documented that the governors and just about every elected official in the south was a democrat. I'll let you look that up for yourself.
And, as far as the riots in the streets of DC. Go back and see how many Republicans you can find among that city's residents.
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Well, the real common thread in every single 'riot' that I can remember is that the particpants were democrats.
Most, of course, were by radical left democrats. But, 'new deal', 'Yellar dog' democrats in the south got pretty nasty when blacks had to be escorted to the schoolroom by the National Guard.
I wonder of they will find that there is a specific democrat gene that causes one to have difficulty with long-term thinking combined with a propensity to violence while protesting for peace.
I'm going to have to play devils advocate on this one.
Which riots? And how did you know they were democrat? How did you conclusively know they were democrats? Did they fill out a questionaire after they rioted?
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 6:04:51 PM
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No. That is a lie that you have been told. They were just a different wrapper for a failed socialist mindset.
The REAL dicoctomy is between Socialism (whether that be National Socialism, Communism or any other socialist society) and Individual Freedom. Rather than a flat line with the so-called left on one side and the so-called right on the other. We need to see political philosphies and systems in terms of a circle with Freedom being at Zero degrees and Bondage being at 180 degrees. You can then map NAZISM and FASCISM within very few degrees from Communism. Think about it and visualize what I'm trying to say.
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Those parties are actually associated with the far RIGHT and they don't represent the majority of people on the right just like the anarchist types don't represent everyone on the left.
I personally have had trash thrown in our lawn because of our Obama sign but I don't think it represents the Republican party or all McCain supporters. That would be stupid of me to make that connection! There are ignorant people in every political persuasion!
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 6:25:02 PM
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TMeeks,
I agree about your observations about democrats... but I believe the underlying factor is a basic lack of a sense of humor. DOn't get me wrong they have plenty of people making jokes and laughing at others - but just try to make fun of them and real anger cmes your way.
Obama is a great example. When the primary race started - a commentator thought it would be funny to make a joke about his ears. He clearly did not think that was funny at all. He also thinks that his wife and kids are off limits.
Just a little observation I have made.
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 6:37:02 PM
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backrowbaptist
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Those parties are actually associated with the far RIGHT and they don't represent the majority of people on the right just like the anarchist types don't represent everyone on the left.
No, those parties were actually associated with the far LEFT. One of the great lies of history is that the Nazis were right wing. Look at what they stood for. Aside from discriminating against (and then killing) Jews, they are remarkably similar to the left's agenda today.
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 8:00:58 PM
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Comparing Obama and the democratic party with national socialism and Hitler gives them too much credit. Obama is too weak and the democratic party, as it will be proved if we mess up and elect Obama, are more self interested concerning power and government than commited to party goals or changing america to their brand of socialism.
Liberalism is a self serving perversion. Selfish people have no concerns for others as long as they get what they want in whatever fashion they can do it. Violence follows.
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 8:22:49 PM
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He also thinks that his wife and kids are off limits.
His kids are off limits IMHO (as are Palin's and anyone else's). But his protests about his kids being in the media spotlight would come with more grace if he didn't put them out there so much (and he may have realized that and stopped). His wife is definitely not off limits but should not be held up to the same scrutiny as the candidate. A wife has a profound impact on her husband's views and actions. Don't get me wrong, I don't want her to be trashed in the press but her views should be scrutinized.
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 8:24:51 PM
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Uh...
"Law and order" seems like it goes hand-in-hand with secret police and a police state and all that.
Seeing as you're in China, I can see why you might see it that way.
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 9:47:24 PM
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Signs of a growing trend towards violence from the oh-so-tolerant left.
Six Minnesota Congress members' homes vandalized
The homes of six Minnesota members of Congress — Sens. Norm Coleman and Amy Klobuchar, Reps. John Kline, Jim Ramstad, Keith Ellison and Michele Bachmann-- were hit with graffiti last night or early this morning
http://www.twincities.com/ci_10784127?source=most_emailed
Both Democratic and Republican candidates were vandalized. So it's not clear if this was from the left wing, the right wing, or (as I suspect) just the crazy wing. As an additional piece of evidence, "Psalm 2" was written as part of the graffiti. What do you suppose that tells us about the criminal?
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 10:13:02 PM
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TMeeks and backrowbaptist are right. Though lots of modern day pundits try to paint Hitler and the Nazis as far right, the truth is they were socialists/fascists, as in National Socialist Party.
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Signs of a growing trend towards violence from the oh-so-tolerant left.
Six Minnesota Congress members' homes vandalized
The homes of six Minnesota members of Congress — Sens. Norm Coleman and Amy Klobuchar, Reps. John Kline, Jim Ramstad, Keith Ellison and Michele Bachmann-- were hit with graffiti last night or early this morning
http://www.twincities.com/ci_10784127?source=most_emailed
Both Democratic and Republican candidates were vandalized. So it's not clear if this was from the left wing, the right wing, or (as I suspect) just the crazy wing. As an additional piece of evidence, "Psalm 2" was written as part of the graffiti. What do you suppose that tells us about the criminal?
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RE: the violent left - 10/24/2008 10:35:07 PM
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He also thinks that his wife and kids are off limits.
His kids are off limits IMHO (as are Palin's and anyone else's). But his protests about his kids being in the media spotlight would come with more grace if he didn't put them out there so much (and he may have realized that and stopped). His wife is definitely not off limits but should not be held up to the same scrutiny as the candidate. A wife has a profound impact on her husband's views and actions. Don't get me wrong, I don't want her to be trashed in the press but her views should be scrutinized.
I agree all kids should be off limits. I do think that he realized he went to far when he did that family interview and he even said himself that he would have his kids interviewd like that again. However I think it was very noble for Obama to speak up for Palin's daughter and tell the media to leave her alone.
Spouses are a different story. If they are bold enough to get in the spolight, they should be able to take the heat! It's an election so of course the media is going to have positive and negative things to say about them.
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RE: the violent left - 10/25/2008 1:17:44 AM
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He also thinks that his wife and kids are off limits.
His kids are off limits IMHO (as are Palin's and anyone else's). But his protests about his kids being in the media spotlight would come with more grace if he didn't put them out there so much (and he may have realized that and stopped). His wife is definitely not off limits but should not be held up to the same scrutiny as the candidate. A wife has a profound impact on her husband's views and actions. Don't get me wrong, I don't want her to be trashed in the press but her views should be scrutinized.
I agree all kids should be off limits. I do think that he realized he went to far when he did that family interview and he even said himself that he would have his kids interviewd like that again. However I think it was very noble for Obama to speak up for Palin's daughter and tell the media to leave her alone.
Spouses are a different story. If they are bold enough to get in the spolight, they should be able to take the heat! It's an election so of course the media is going to have positive and negative things to say about them.
Grandkids are fair game though. Remember when BHO mused about aborting his grandchild? He's a sick man.
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