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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/6/2008 10:11:32 PM
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I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
(1Co 14:18-19)
I would love to have the gift of tongues. I often ask God for it, and if He ever permits it to be so, I would be free to travel the world and preach to every peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. (Rev 10:11) That is why Paul was glade to have that gift, for it was his calling to preach the gospel to the gentiles. (ACTS 9:15) And how may he do that without the gift of tongues? (ACTS 2) So I would love to be able to proclaim the great salvation that we have in Christ to all races. That is what I ask for when I pray for the gift of tongues, not this babbling nonsense. What if I appeared before the prime minister of France and said, “Hubba-blubba- bubba- phewy!” He would think that I was insane and Christ would not be exalted. But if I spoke through the Holy Spirit in His own language the Gospel, he would fall flat on his face and worship the Great God of heaven. But I would have to speak in his own language or else he would need somebody to translate for me. That is what Paul is talking about in 1 Corinthians chapter 14. If you want the gift of tongues, ask God for the real thing and not some sad occult imitation. I could imagine though, the way these guys carry on about the supernatural, they would misuse the true tongues just as the church did at Corinth. Not me I would use it to evangelize the world. In church I would rather preach the word of God in plain English. Or in Paul’s case, plain Greek, “Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.”
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 8:39:16 AM
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I would love to have the gift of tongues. I often ask God for it, and if He ever permits it to be so, I would be free to travel the world and preach to every peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. (Rev 10:11)
If what you are seeking is to speak in a foriegn language, please do not be so lazy. You might try this site HERE I understand it is a very effective system.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 12:05:22 PM
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I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
(1Co 14:18-19)
I would love to have the gift of tongues. I often ask God for it, and if He ever permits it to be so, I would be free to travel the world and preach to every peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. (Rev 10:11) That is why Paul was glade to have that gift, for it was his calling to preach the gospel to the gentiles. (ACTS 9:15) And how may he do that without the gift of tongues? (ACTS 2) So I would love to be able to proclaim the great salvation that we have in Christ to all races. That is what I ask for when I pray for the gift of tongues, not this babbling nonsense. What if I appeared before the prime minister of France and said, “Hubba-blubba- bubba- phewy!” He would think that I was insane and Christ would not be exalted. But if I spoke through the Holy Spirit in His own language the Gospel, he would fall flat on his face and worship the Great God of heaven. But I would have to speak in his own language or else he would need somebody to translate for me. That is what Paul is talking about in 1 Corinthians chapter 14. If you want the gift of tongues, ask God for the real thing and not some sad occult imitation. I could imagine though, the way these guys carry on about the supernatural, they would misuse the true tongues just as the church did at Corinth. Not me I would use it to evangelize the world. In church I would rather preach the word of God in plain English. Or in Paul’s case, plain Greek, “Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.”
The problem is that you restrict your understanding of tongues to a very narrow definition that the scriptures do not support. Paul specifically states that there are tongues that are not understood by anyone but God.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 5:39:03 PM
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If what you are seeking is to speak in a foriegn language, please do not be so lazy. You might try this site HERE I understand it is a very effective system.
I knew before I hit the link that it would be RosettaStone.
I hardly ever watch TV and see that ad constantly.
I'm pretty sure I should get motivated and pick a language myself.
Yours in Christ,
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2008 5:48:29 PM
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The problem is that you restrict your understanding of tongues to a very narrow definition that the scriptures do not support. Paul specifically states that there are tongues that are not understood by anyone but God.
That is quite true,but he doesn't seem to want to comment on 1 Cor.14:2.
He has his one view of biblical tongues,and no matter how many verses contradict his view it will not change- I'm still waiting for him to comment on the same thing from post 2416.
A doctrine that ignores everything it can't explain doesn't seem too promising to me.
Yours in Christ,
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/14/2008 5:32:00 PM
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But I would have to speak in his own language or else he would need somebody to translate for me. That is what Paul is talking about in 1 Corinthians chapter 14. If you want the gift of tongues, ask God for the real thing and not some sad occult imitation.
After reading this I have a question (or two).
In your view the gift of tongues can be interpreted by anyone who speaks the language that your tongue is in- Why would 1 Cor. 12 tell us that there is a spiritual gift of interpretation? I mean if the gift of tongues is only to speak in a language that the hearers understand ,why would there be need for a spiritual gift of interpreting?
Since 1 Cor. 14:2 talks about tongues that no man understands,wouldn't it be more biblically correct to believe that a spiritual gift of interpretation would be necessary to understand those?
Yours in Christ,
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/14/2008 5:55:59 PM
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I have a love of languages and spend a lot of time studying some of the ways that thoughts can be expressed in languages other than English,as a result I recognize quite a few words from many different languages.
A few of these languages include Greek,Hebrew,German,French,Spanish, Latin, Russian,Korean,Arabic, some American Indian dialects that i am interested in as part of my culture,likewise Finnish.
The question I have is- Has anyone who has spoken in tongues ever recognized words in a language that they are not fluent in,but recognize?
I know I have recognized many different words belong to certain languages,and,after looking them up on-line they are rather interesting.
The first one I remember the most is the word Shinar- I recognized it as a hebrew word and was astounded to learn that one of the definitions of it was "change". It was interesting because it was at a point in my walk where I was constantly praying that the Lord would change and correct things in me that kept me from giving Him my full service.
Does anyone else have any similar testimony?
Yours in Christ,
T.J.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/14/2008 6:30:31 PM
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I have a love of languages and spend a lot of time studying some of the ways that thoughts can be expressed in languages other than English,as a result I recognize quite a few words from many different languages.
A few of these languages include Greek,Hebrew,German,French,Spanish, Latin, Russian,Korean,Arabic, some American Indian dialects that i am interested in as part of my culture,likewise Finnish.
The question I have is- Has anyone who has spoken in tongues ever recognized words in a language that they are not fluent in,but recognize?
I know I have recognized many different words belong to certainlanguages,and,after looking them up on-line they are rather interesting.
The first one I remember the most is the word Shinar- I recognized it as a hebrew word and was astounded to learn that one of the definitions of it was "change". It was interesting because it was at a point in my walk where I was constantly praying that the Lord would change and correct things in me that kept me from giving Him my full service.
Does anyone else have any similar testimony?
Yours in Christ,
T.J.
Not exactly, as I did not recognize the language, but some other folks did.
I have spoke to this before maybe even on this thread; but it is a long long thread, so I will speak to it again.
I was waling through the Yucatan Junge a few years past and came upon a small Mayan village. Much to my suprise there was a church service going on in one of the huts, at least it sounded like one to me. I went in and sat in the very back on some tree stumps that had been cut for that puroose.. The Minister was speaking spanish and some other language I did not recognize.
I began to pray quitely and started to pray in tongues. When I realized what was happening the group of attendees (all nice little ladies with white dresses on) were standing around me and obvioulsly praising God.
Ths Minister who was fluent in Spanish and the local Mayan dialect aak me when I stopped praying where did I learn the dialect. I told him in Spanish that I did not know the dialect.
He related to me along with a few of the bi-lingual ladies that I had been praying in their native Mayan dilect. I had prayed for their husbands who were out in the jungle on an extended hunt, for one of the lady's mother who was ill, and a number of other things. All in perfect Chitzen Mayan.
Later as I evangelized the area I learned the unwritten dialect and my family and I spent a couple of years in that part of the Yucatan teaching and evangalozing.
It was a great experince, that I do not believe has ever happened to me since (in any languege); but it was wonderful and helped to establish me as a man of God in the area.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/14/2008 10:00:37 PM
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It was a great experince, that I do not believe has ever happened to me since (in any languege); but it was wonderful and helped to establish me as a man of God in the area.
Now that sounds exactly like one of the diverse kinds of tongues spoken of in 1 Cor 12- unknown (to the speaker) tongues which are understood by the hearers- a true Acts 2 experience.
Yours in Christ,
T.J.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2008 11:18:55 AM
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It was a great experince, that I do not believe has ever happened to me since (in any languege); but it was wonderful and helped to establish me as a man of God in the area.
Now that sounds exactly like one of the diverse kinds of tongues spoken of in 1 Cor 12- unknown (to the speaker) tongues which are understood by the hearers- a true Acts 2 experience.
Yours in Christ,
T.J.
T.J.
I have had folks try to parce that experience and say that I was not praying but prophesying because the indigenous folks understood me in their own language. But I have always consider it prayer becasuse the locals even said I was praying to God on their behalf.
Praying, prophesying, whatever; it was wnderful and God works in mysterious ways. I guess that is one reason why I am so saddened by folks that just out of hand dismiss tongues as not of God, They just are missing part of the plan that God put into place for His Children.
(1Co 14:39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.
Thanks
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2008 4:06:16 PM
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I am inclined to believe you RC - amazing experience. Beyond words!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2008 4:39:01 PM
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It was a great experince, that I do not believe has ever happened to me since (in any languege); but it was wonderful and helped to establish me as a man of God in the area.
Now that sounds exactly like one of the diverse kinds of tongues spoken of in 1 Cor 12- unknown (to the speaker) tongues which are understood by the hearers- a true Acts 2 experience.
Yours in Christ,
T.J.
T.J.
I have had folks try to parce that experience and say that I was not praying but prophesying because the indigenous folks understood me in their own language. But I have always consider it prayer becasuse the locals even said I was praying to God on their behalf.
Praying, prophesying, whatever; it was wnderful and God works in mysterious ways. I guess that is one reason why I am so saddened by folks that just out of hand dismiss tongues as not of God, They just are missing part of the plan that God put into place for His Children.
(1Co 14:39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.
Thanks
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The Bible, as you pointed out, clearly tells me not to forbid speaking with tongues, so I do not. I understand you being saddened. Maybe you can understand my sadness from the other end, though. I am saddened when people to whom God has gifted tongues expect everyone to also speak with tongues and keep themselves in sort of another category because of this gift. The Bible makes it clear that people are given different gifts and not everyone has tongues. I understand that this may be a very small percentage of people with this gift, but it's a vocal percentage, at least where I live.
I'm very content with my gift of mercy!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2008 5:07:57 PM
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I am saddened when people to whom God has gifted tongues expect everyone to also speak with tongues and keep themselves in sort of another category because of this gift. The Bible makes it clear that people are given different gifts and not everyone has tongues. I understand that this may be a very small percentage of people with this gift, but it's a vocal percentage, at least where I live.
I'm very content with my gift of mercy!
Those folks that claim everyone should speak in tongues just do not read the Scripture.
Paul specifically say;
(1Co 14:5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Now Paul says he would (wishes) that everyone spoke in tongues, but evidently they did not, nor do not. Why? I certainly do not know.
Anyone who thinks that folks that speak, pray, or sing in tongues are a "Special" or "Higher" Christian than those who do not; are absolutely in error.
I as Paul wish everyone spoke in tongues for I know the benefits to my walk that comes from the gift. But they don't and they didn't.
The Word teaches us to seek the better gifts
(1Co 12:31) But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Now which is the better gift? Probably the one needed at the time. As the gifts of heealing would be best at a car crash scene, etc. etc.
Mayby God gave me the gift of tongues because I really needed then as in;
(Jud 1:20) But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Maybe I just really do need the gift to build up my most holy faith.
Thsnks
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2008 5:32:16 PM
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The question I have is- Has anyone who has spoken in tongues ever recognized words in a language that they are not fluent in,but recognize?
Same here. I normally start with 'Allah'. I also hear 'soy, eres, Yesu'.
While I was speaking in tongues with a small group I heard one woman say thank you in my language.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2008 5:46:03 PM
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It was a great experince, that I do not believe has ever happened to me since (in any languege); but it was wonderful and helped to establish me as a man of God in the area.
Now that sounds exactly like one of the diverse kinds of tongues spoken of in 1 Cor 12- unknown (to the speaker) tongues which are understood by the hearers- a true Acts 2 experience.
Yours in Christ,
T.J.
T.J.
I have had folks try to parce that experience and say that I was not praying but prophesying because the indigenous folks understood me in their own language. But I have always consider it prayer becasuse the locals even said I was praying to God on their behalf.
Praying, prophesying, whatever; it was wnderful and God works in mysterious ways. I guess that is one reason why I am so saddened by folks that just out of hand dismiss tongues as not of God, They just are missing part of the plan that God put into place for His Children.
(1Co 14:39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.
Thanks
RC
The Bible, as you pointed out, clearly tells me not to forbid speaking with tongues, so I do not. I understand you being saddened. Maybe you can understand my sadness from the other end, though. I am saddened when people to whom God has gifted tongues expect everyone to also speak with tongues and keep themselves in sort of another category because of this gift. The Bible makes it clear that people are given different gifts and not everyone has tongues. I understand that this may be a very small percentage of people with this gift, but it's a vocal percentage, at least where I live.
I'm very content with my gift of mercy!
I do not see Paul saying I wish everyone could speak in tongues, but that he desires everyone spoke in tongues. I can not see God giving some a prayer language and others not. If he tells us to pray in the Holy Spirit to edify ourselves...then we should all be able too. I was born of God for many years before I even understood what tongues were. When the Holy Spirit showed me this truth, I embraced it by faith. Everyones journey is different.
Not everyone is called into the ministry(operations) of speaking in tongues...during church.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 5:09:14 PM
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Same here. I normally start with 'Allah'. I also hear 'soy, eres, Yesu'.
Last wednesday at prayer a friend of mine spoke in a tongue and I clearly heard the words "mon Dieu ", I mentioned to everyone afterwards that that is French for "My God".
Praying in tongues and glorifying God sounds right to me.
Yours in Christ,
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/22/2008 3:00:53 PM
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Praying in tongues and glorifying God sounds right to me.
Yours in Christ,
T.J.
I will certainly hang my hat with yours on that post.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/22/2008 10:49:48 PM
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I do not see Paul saying I wish everyone could speak in tongues, but that he desires everyone spoke in tongues.
The distinction you are trying to make between a wish and a desire does not exist in the original Greek- both English words are covered in the lexical definition.
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1) to will, have in mind, intend
a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose
b) to desire, to wish
c) to love
1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing
d) to take delight in, have pleasure
But looking at the sentence
Thelw de pantas umas lalein glwssais
it is clear that the verb (Thelw) - wish/will/desire/intend and the infinitive (lalein)- to speak --- in tongues (glwssais)
was meant by Paul for Pantas umas - ALL of you, not just some.
Paul could easily have used "some",or "many of you",or "as many as desire", or anything else; but he wrote that his desire was ALL.
Yours in Christ,
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/22/2008 11:31:18 PM
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Thank you for that lesson in Greek...it makes more sense the way you put it. I wish we had a thread where someone taught Greek!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/23/2008 10:09:24 AM
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But looking at the sentence
Thelw de pantas umas lalein glwssais
it is clear that the verb (Thelw) - wish/will/desire/intend and the infinitive (lalein)- to speak --- in tongues (glwssais)
was meant by Paul for Pantas umas - ALL of you, not just some.
Paul could easily have used "some",or "many of you",or "as many as desire", or anything else; but he wrote that his desire was ALL.
Yours in Christ,
T.J.
Good apologetic TJO5, and having known the edification of and building of my own faith through praying in tongues I too wish all prayed in tongues, but such is not the case.
(Jud 1:20) But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,
I guess the part that really saddens me about the whole situation is that many (if not most) of those that do not pray in tongues take it upon themselves to deny their existence or attribute then to something demonic instead of the Holy Spirit.
Personally I have never had an "interpretation of tongues", but just because it has not happened to me does not make all "Interpretaion of tongues" not a gift of the Holy Spirit or not real.
I stand on the following passage as my guiding principle for speaking in tongues in my Churches;
(1Co 14:39) So then, brothers, seek to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues.
(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.
Thanks
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/23/2008 11:27:22 AM
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I must have misunderstood your Greek lesson...I thought you meant that Paul desires all to speak in tongues.
When I look at all the examples in Acts when people were filled with the Holy Spirit ALL spoke in tongues. Did I read it wrong?
Acts 2
Acts 10
Acts 19
Even when Philip preached in Samaria...Simon saw something(visible), this is why he wanted the power to lay hands on people, When everyone else was filled(Acts 2,10,19) they spoke with tongues. Paul spoke in tongues, when did he recieve it? He was filled in Acts 9:17 even though it does not say he spoke here.
I see the tongues used in different ways.
1 Cor. 14:4 is used for personal edification.
1 Cor. 14:5 for interpretation
Rom. 8:26- deep intercession( I know some do not believe this is tongues)
1 Cor. 14:22 sign to the unbelievers (this happen on the day of Pentecost)
There seems to be different rules for different operations or manifestations of tongues. I see that the word diversities/divers means different flows/manifestations of tongues. 1 Cor. 12:10; 28.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/23/2008 3:45:17 PM
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I must have misunderstood your Greek lesson...I thought you meant that Paul desires all to speak in tongues.
When I look at all the examples in Acts when people were filled with the Holy Spirit ALL spoke in tongues. Did I read it wrong?
Acts 2
Acts 10
Acts 19
Even when Philip preached in Samaria...Simon saw something(visible), this is why he wanted the power to lay hands on people, When everyone else was filled(Acts 2,10,19) they spoke with tongues. Paul spoke in tongues, when did he recieve it? He was filled in Acts 9:17 even though it does not say he spoke here.
I see the tongues used in different ways.
1 Cor. 14:4 is used for personal edification.
1 Cor. 14:5 for interpretation
Rom. 8:26- deep intercession( I know some do not believe this is tongues)
1 Cor. 14:22 sign to the unbelievers (this happen on the day of Pentecost)
There seems to be different rules for different operations or manifestations of tongues. I see that the word diversities/divers means different flows/manifestations of tongues. 1 Cor. 12:10; 28.
Actually all examples of recieving the Spirit in the Book of Acts do not speak to speaking in tongue.
60% do and if you include Paul who later said he sopke in tongues more that anyone it would be 80%. Scripture does not speak to Paul speaking in tongues when he recieved the Holy Spirit.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/23/2008 5:24:21 PM
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Every time that tongues is mentioned...they ALL spoke with tongues. It does not say some did and some did not.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/23/2008 7:18:55 PM
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rcjames
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ORIGINAL: awaken
Every time that tongues is mentioned...they ALL spoke with tongues. It does not say some did and some did not.
(Act 8:14) Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
(Act 8:15) Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(Act 8:16) (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
(Act 8:17) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
(Act 8:18) And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
(Act 8:19) Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
(Act 8:20) But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
(Act 8:21) Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
(Act 8:22) Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
(Act 8:23) For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
(Act 8:24) Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.
(Act 8:25) And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.
Says nothing about speaking in tongues, they may have, but it is not recorded as in some other incidences.
Paul says he wishes that all spoke in tongues (an indication that all did not).
(1Co 14:5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/23/2008 10:55:48 PM
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awaken
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If you will re read my post I said that Simon saw(visible) something, I did not say he saw speaking in tongues....I did insinuate it. I threw that out there to think about. Also Paul, it does not say when he spoke in tongues, but he said he did.
My main point is in Acts 2, 10, 19 when tongues is mentioned...ALL spoke in tongues! It does not say some received and some did not.
When Paul says I desire that everyone speak in tongues....Is like me saying I desire everyone would go to heaven. Everyone can go to heaven, but by choice they either reject the gospel or do not understand it.
Why would God give tongues to build oneself up and not others?
When it ask the question do all speak in tongues....this is speaking of the ministry in the church. I speak in tongues, but I do not speak in church for interpretation....this(ministry) is not what I am called to do.
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