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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 5:35:04 PM
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This problem of breaking up families in second marriages would not be a problem if the church was following God's Word and Pastors would stop marrying divorced people contributing to the problem. We are not the ones who caused the problem.
Here was a perfect opportunity to express a return to an original husband...John chapter four...
verse 18: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
Notice that it does not say she had one husband and four who were not hers. I know it can be argued a variety of ways due to insufficient information, but there also is not a spelling out of there being only one marriage.
So if divorce is so wrong once, it is amazing that those against divorce actually promote divorce from a second spouse.
...sin is not imputed when there is no law.
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The fact is people ARE repenting as we speak WITH children involved from the second union. And they are not doing it because of anyone on some forum. I know of a woman right now, and I didn’t even know about her until after she came to this truth. She is leaving an adulterous union after 18 yrs and 2 children and no one is supporting her in this- not even her own family. But God’s Word spoke to her and there was no turning back.
Many people believe they hear from God and are mistaken. Acting out of condemnation or fear is not acting in faith. I do not know the situation you speak of so understand that as one point against another for the purpose of discussion.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 6:11:44 PM
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Of course, one immoral reason Jesus mentioned was if a man or woman divorces his/her spouse in order to marry another, such was adulterous (Mark 10:11-12).
You keep saying this, but that verse says nothing about divorcing IN ORDER TO marry another.
And all of them say ANYONE who marries a divorced person (even one who is unjustly put away) is committing adultery. That means if I am a never married before person who is marrying a "divorced" person- they must still be bound to their first spouse til death like Paul says 1cor7:39, Rom 7:2-3 and are not free to marry me (even if they are the innocent party).
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 6:48:47 PM
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hearing the anti-remarriage group encourage people to abandon their second spouse
Actually, it was the fact that this practice, a man or woman divorcing their second spouse so that they could remarry their first spouse, that first made me question the traditional doctrine of marriage.
btw, I wouldn't call "extreme" those who do so; rather, I'd just call it the "traditional doctrine" for it was an established doctrine of the RCC that carried over into most Protestant and Evangelical churches. The foundational concepts of the traditional doctrine of marriage and divorce were clearly expressed in the sixteenth century at the Counsel of Trent (AD 1546–1565). At that time marriage was affirmed to be a sacrament, under the auspices (authority and control) of the Church, and, once solemnized (performed with formal religious rites) indissoluble until death.
It was actually the doctrine that a remarried person should divorce his/her 2nd spouse and remarry his her 1st spouse that first made me question the traditional doctrine for such an admonision directly contradicted the command where the bill of divorce was given.
As you know, Deut. 24:1-4 specifically forbids a man remarrying a women he has previously divorced whether she is widowed by her second husband or divorced again, calling such an "abomination before the Lord"!
It bothered me that if such was an "abomination before the Lord" then, such would have been an abomination before the Lord during the time of Christ, and if the Lord is the same yesterday, today, and forever, then such would be an abomination before the Lord today! Couple that with Jesus' statement that He fully endorsed the Law, that not the least letter would cease until heaven and earth disappear, well, it calls for a rethinking of the traditional doctrine of mdr.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 8:07:35 PM
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Of course, one immoral reason Jesus mentioned was if a man or woman divorces his/her spouse in order to marry another, such was adulterous (Mark 10:11-12).
You keep saying this, but that verse says nothing about divorcing IN ORDER TO marry another.
A more extensive review of this scripture is on the following post:
http://forums.crosswalk.com/fb.aspx?m=3836279
Basically, in Greek, when two verbs are used together and both are in the subjunctive mood, they imply causality. In other words, a viable translation is "divorces in order to marry". Actually Peterson translates it as follows in "The Message":
“A man who divorces his wife so he can marry someone else commits adultery against her. And a woman who divorces her husband so she can marry someone else commits adultery.”
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And all of them say ANYONE who marries a divorced person (even one who is unjustly put away) is committing adultery. That means if I am a never married before person who is marrying a "divorced" person- they must still be bound to their first spouse til death like Paul says 1cor7:39, Rom 7:2-3 and are not free to marry me (even if they are the innocent party).
First note that neither of those passages says that the "only" way for a marriage to end is by death. Rather, in Rom. 7:2-3, marriage is used as a metaphor to help us understand that through living by in the Spirit we are no longer bound to live by law (legalism).
Concerning 1 Cor. 7:39, the point of the scripture is that a widow is free to remarry if she chooses too because her husband is dead, recognizing that marriages end at death. It does not speak of divorce because that is not the topic at hand.
Also, note that both scriptures speak of the woman being bound by the law of her husband, but does not speak of the man being bound, why? Could it be that the passages are not a complete doctrine of mdr, but speaking to specific issues?
The traditional doctrine of marriage being indissoluble is a primary point of disagreement with those who do not believe the traditional doctrine. As you know, I believe that marriage is breakable, not indissoluble, that just like a couple is bound by law, law also makes provision for the dissolution of marriage - divorce.
Furthermore, I believe Jesus himself recognized that marriage was breakable when He said, "what God has joined together, let not man tear apart." He could have said, "what God has joined together, man cannot tear apart", but He didn't. Rather, he recognized that marriages, even those joined together by God, run the risk of being torn apart by man. btw, the Greek clearly bears out that Jesus said, "let not"; He did not say "cannot" if anyone would like to check it.
P.S. KeepingFaith, thanks for discussing scriptures and principles, and not devolving into personal remarks.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:00:24 PM
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Matthew 5:27-28
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Oh, adultery a matter of the heart?
Three verses later:
Matthew 5:31-32
It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Now if one is adultery and the other is adultery, why is one forgiven by confessing and repenting of the sin, not to do it again, and the other not?
They are both forgivable when the person repents of them, which means turning from the sin of adultery. To repent of adultery of the heart is to change your heart and stop lusting. To end literal adultery one must end the extramarital affair.
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There are also reasons for divorce that have nothing to do with desiring to commit adultery. Right or wrong, it happens...and none of those verses spell out the idea that divorced people are still married, even if married to another.
You have to understand what the term adultery means. When Jesus said that everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery, by definition He was saying that they are still bound by marriage to the person they thought they divorced and are now having an extramarital affair with someone they are not married to. Adultery means a person is having an extramarital affair with someone they are not married to while being married to another.
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This is being pressed onto the text. If God doesn't recognize divorce, why is the divorce even an issue? Answer: because it is a dissolution.
That is incorrect. If it were a "dissolution" then Jesus would not have said that remarriage afterward was adultery, because adultery cannot be an issue if the original marriage was dissolved.
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By the way, Sealed Eternal, I checked out the website you link at the bottom of your posts. That sin of "most all men's shoe styles are worn with regularity by women" in the "Who wears the pants?" section--is the first time I've seen that one. I think it helps put your posts in perspective.
So you couldn't find anything on the topic at hand to refute what I'm saying, so you combed through my website and found one insignificant detail that you think is odd, and now you can breathe a sigh of relief and write off anything I say. Alright, but that says a lot about how honestly you are seeking out this issue.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:16:57 PM
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Who's attacking? Sealed is the one with the link. He wants people to read his website. Well, so do we.
I don't consider this view of marriage...extreme. I consider it God's view, and when we know His character- it makes perfect sense. I don't consider elevating marriage to the level of esteem that God has as extreme. Especially when He made it a sign of His covenant with His people.
Okay, you don't. But, in others' opinions, including mine, it is. To say that I think it's extreme isn't attacking. Posters who disagree with your position have been accused of all kinds of far worse things in this thread. Trying to justify our sins being one of them. Having your interpretation viewed as and called extreme can hardly be referred to as attacking in the context of this particular thread.
If my view is "extreme" then you are saying that God is extreme because it is His Word I am quoting. Now if you think I am misrepresenting God's view then that is an entirely different accusation, but also requires evidence.
Also, I'm glad you are promoting my website, but to suggest that a disagreement you have about some apparent teaching on my website that you find extreme, discredits any current "argument" I make regarding this issue, only proves that you can't refute my position on this issue.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:30:26 PM
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Okay, you don't. But, in others' opinions, including mine, it is. To say that I think it's extreme isn't attacking.
Jesus was pretty extreme if you ask me... and God called people to do pretty extreme things all throughout scripture. Jesus' way was always the hard way, the narrow way, what goes against the flesh and does not feel comfortable in the natural. If we are doing the same thing the world is, it's probably not Jesus' way.
I'm sure glad Jesus didn't tell God He was too extreme when He asked Him to go to the cross...
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:32:41 PM
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If my view is "extreme" then you are saying that God is extreme because it is His Word I am quoting. Now if you think I am misrepresenting God's view then that is an entirely different accusation, but also requires evidence.
you are posting opposite of what Jesus says, worse than extreme, just wrong.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:32:48 PM
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No one is perfect and God knows your heart. If the Lord was as judgemental as we can be then Mary would have never been saved and helped Christ in his ministry.
yes the concept of grace is ignored (along with Jesus's instruction) in many of these posts ...
Jude 1:4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Grace is given to those who submit to Him and make Him their Lord. It is not given to to those who attempt to use His grace as a license to willfully live in rebellion against Him.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:35:02 PM
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If my view is "extreme" then you are saying that God is extreme because it is His Word I am quoting. Now if you think I am misrepresenting God's view then that is an entirely different accusation, but also requires evidence.
you are posting opposite of what Jesus says, worse than extreme, just wrong.
If you are going to make such accusations you should provide evidence to back it up.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:35:13 PM
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Okay, you don't. But, in others' opinions, including mine, it is. To say that I think it's extreme isn't attacking.
Jesus was a pretty extreme dude if you ask me... and God called people to do pretty extreme things all throughout scripture. Jesus' way was always the hard way, the narrow way, what goes against the flesh and does not feel comfortable in the natural. If we are doing the same thing the world is, it's probably not Jesus' way.
I'm sure glad Jesus didn't tell God He was too extreme when He asked Him to go to the cross...
This is a poor argument. Ghengis Khan was extreme. Torquemada was extreme. Many misled, incorrect, unsound, insane and heretical people are also called extreme. Being extreme certainly isn't a commendation nor is it a basis for acceptance of your views.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:35:49 PM
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The character of Christ, his grace, forgiveness, and mercy, is what has caused many pastors and theologians to question, and even reject, the traditional doctrine of mdr.
All those characteristics are what we should reflect if we are in Christ and are the exact reasons divorce is wrong, so not sure how they came to that conclusion. Divorce goes against all that He represents and He gave us the ministry of RECONCILIATION...
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:37:40 PM
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If you are going to make such accusations you should provide evidence to back it up.
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i did and you just post the same weak rebuttal page after page
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:39:09 PM
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This is a poor argument. Ghengis Khan was extreme. Torquemada was extreme. Many misled, incorrect, unsound, insane and heretical people are also called extreme. Being extreme certainly isn't a commendation nor is it a basis for acceptance of your views.
The point was a teaching that is extreme DOES line up with Jesus and the Bible. The hard and narrow way DOES line up with Jesus, crucifying the flesh DOES line up with Jesus. So it is a poor argument to say that Jesus wouldn't teach something that extreme.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:42:30 PM
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This is a poor argument. Ghengis Khan was extreme. Torquemada was extreme. Many misled, incorrect, unsound, insane and heretical people are also called extreme. Being extreme certainly isn't a commendation nor is it a basis for acceptance of your views.
The point was a teaching that is extreme DOES line up with Jesus and the Bible. The hard and narrow way DOES line up with Jesus, crucifying the flesh DOES line up with Jesus. So it is a poor argument to say that Jesus wouldn't teach something that extreme.
Like I said, Torquemada thought that, too. So have many very wrong people.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:48:48 PM
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If you are going to make such accusations you should provide evidence to back it up.
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i did and you just post the same weak rebuttal page after page
Exactly. Many posters have provided pages of evidence starting with Neuronstatic and Restored_Heart and all the way through to you and Benelchi and tn1.
But Sealed and keepingfaith are basically saying that they don't care. They don't care about the language or idioms, they don't need to know anything about the culture and they don't care how many cumulative years and decades, if not centuries, other sincere learned men and women have put into studying this issue. None of that makes one bit of difference to them. They say, in effect, 'we can read our English translation and the words mean what we say they mean.'
That's all well and good. It wouldn't amount to a hill of beans what they think if it weren't for the fact that they push divorce. They call it something else but divorce is exactly what it is.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:50:38 PM
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The character of Christ, his grace, forgiveness, and mercy, is what has caused many pastors and theologians to question, and even reject, the traditional doctrine of mdr.
That's the problem. Men base their doctrines on their inferior opinions of how they think it should be, and then try to make God's Word fit their preconceived ideas, rather than submitting to God and allowing Him to do the teaching through His Word.
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To them, as it does to me, the traditional doctrine seems harsh, unmerciful, and unforgiving, and actually keeps the church from empowering people to have healthy marriages.
The grace, unconditional love, and forgiveness that Christ illustrated was that while we were still sinners He offered Himself to die on our behalf for sins that He didn't commit. That is the godly character that He exhibited to us. Our marriages are supposed to be the same sort of illustration of grace, unconditional love, and forgiveness according to Ephesians 5. Divorce on the other hand represents the antithesis of these things, hard heartedness, unforgiveness, and a lack of grace or love. It is to assume that a person is beyond redemption, unworthy of forgiveness, and unpardonable.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:52:30 PM
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If you are going to make such accusations you should provide evidence to back it up.
SealedEternal
i did and you just post the same weak rebuttal page after page
Where and when?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:54:35 PM
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They say "we can read our English translation and the words mean what we say they mean."
That's all well and good. It wouldn't amount to a hill of beans what they think if it weren't for the fact that they push divorce. They call it something else but divorce is exactly what it is.
I do have to accept God's Word as true... all of it. And any interpretation that makes most of the verses untrue and contradict each other cannot be valid.
I have found that your side completely disregards certain facts like even the "exception" verses clearly show that an innocent woman who is put away will commit adultery if she remarries, and "anyone who marries a divorced person commits adultery." That pretty much covers it... if the innocent one is committing adultery upon remarriage- who isn't?
I do not push divorce- I do not call something a marriage that Jesus calls adultery.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:56:14 PM
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Where and when?
I was wondering this too... I've never seen my questions addressed about the inconsistencies that don't add up.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 9:56:48 PM
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That's all well and good. It wouldn't amount to a hill of beans what they think if it weren't for the fact that they push divorce. They call it something else but divorce is exactly what it is.
Jesus calls it something else also, and He is my Lord so I try to follow after Him:
Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”
Encarta® World English Dictionary
a·dul·ter·y [ ə dúltəree ] extramarital sex: voluntary sexual relations between a married person and somebody other than his or her spouse
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 10:03:24 PM
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Like I said, Torquemada thought that, too. So have many very wrong people.
I think you are still missing my whole point. I am speaking specifically about the fact that marriage is for life. If that is an extreme teaching, then it would be the one that lines up with Jesus who is extreme. He raised the standards high. If it is a teaching that makes us look no different than the world, I have trouble seeing how it comes from Jesus.
If we believe that is too extreme, I guess we shouldn't get married because the vows come out of our own mouth that say for better for worse til death. It must not be too extreme because plenty of people fulfill their vows with or without their spouse.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 10:21:06 PM
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You have to understand what the term adultery means. When Jesus said that everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery, by definition He was saying that they are still bound by marriage to the person they thought they divorced and are now having an extramarital affair with someone they are not married to. Adultery means a person is having an extramarital affair with someone they are not married to while being married to another.
How is it that you find an Easter egg of law in a field of grace?
Jesus didn't say "this is a complete list of everything that can happen in every society in every form of marriage and divorce." The Bible doesn't give us grace and freedom from the Law and the accountability to Christ with the exception of mdr. If your soul depended on it there would be ample indication that this was an over-arching law.
I was ignored previously when I asked what responsibility those, espousing this teaching that divorce is not allowed when a person is in danger of harm, would accept for the harm that comes to those who heed them.
God is not unjust to corner his own and make them suffer harm and evil and unable to recover from any situation.
But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
(1Corinthians 7:15)
What is the difference in principle in the letting the unbelieving depart, and in letting the believing spouse who has determined to act out of faith with God depart? From your own website you say that not all who claim to be Christians are, so how is there a law to govern what we can't know? And what we can't know is who has committed adultery, adultery in the heart or adultery against their faith in God, or perhaps who didn't really have faith in God.
The verses you quote so often look much like Christ speaking against frivolous divorces springing from a lack of marital commitment. That isn't true of everyone. When I read Luke 16:18 for example I think of the motivations of those involved in the example. Since there is no mention of those being destructive situations previous to the divorce, I don't see it as addressing those type of situations.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 10:23:44 PM
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tn1
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ORIGINAL: keepingfaith
I have found that your side completely disregards certain facts like even the "exception" verses clearly show that an innocent woman who is put away will commit adultery if she remarries, and "anyone who marries a divorced person commits adultery." That pretty much covers it... if the innocent one is committing adultery upon remarriage- who isn't?
Of course, that's "assuming" that the traditional interpretation of those passages is correct. However, if one realizes that "apoluo" (put away) can be understood as either "divorce" or "illegal separation" (expulsion without divorce) in those same verses, then the meaning is completely changed. Rather than Jesus repudiating the Mosaic bill of divorce and enforcing upon mankind the perfection of Eden, Jesus is seen as promoting the divine ideal of Eden, and revealing the purpose behind and endorsing the Mosaic bill of divorce.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/2/2008 10:29:04 PM
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keepingfaith
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The Bible doesn't give us grace and freedom from the Law and the accountability to Christ with the exception of mdr. If your soul depended on it there would be ample indication that this was an over-arching law.
Grace and Law work together. Without the Law we wouldn't know what sin was. The Law shows us our need for repentance. God's moral Laws still apply. We are not free to commit adultery with our neighbor's spouse. Sealed just quoted Jude 1:4- grace is not a license for immorality.
Scripture says repeatedly that those practicing adultery will not inherit Heaven. That is not something that should be taken lightly. We will also be judged if we lead a brother or sister astray.
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