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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/14/2008 9:44:10 PM
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benelchi
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You, just like every one else, are giving us your interpretation; the difference is that you appear to believe your interpretation is equal to the inspired word of God.
There is no other interpretation for those words. I accept them as the inspired word of God. You are denying them... you deny that we are bound to our spouse until they die, and if we marry another while they are still alive we will be an adulteress. You are denying Paul's words, not mine.
But when I read Paul's word's in 1 Cor. 7, it is clear that his views differ from yours. So, No I am not denying Paul's words, I AM DENYING YOUR WORDS! Seems you have a very hard time telling the difference.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/15/2008 8:52:37 PM
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No commentary necessary:
Genesis 2:21-24 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
Malachi 2:13-17 "This is another thing you do: you cover the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping and with groaning, because He no longer regards the offering or accepts it with favor from your hand. "Yet you say, 'For what reason?' Because the LORD has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant. "But not one has done so who has a remnant of the Spirit And what did that one do while he was seeking a godly offspring? Take heed then to your spirit, and let no one deal treacherously against the wife of your youth. "For I hate divorce," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "and him who covers his garment with wrong," says the LORD of hosts. "So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously." You have wearied the LORD with your words Yet you say, "How have we wearied Him?" In that you say, "Everyone who does evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and He delights in them," or, "Where is the God of justice?"
Ephesians 5:22-33 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, because we are members of His body. FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.
Matthew 5:31-32 "It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Matthew 19:4-6 And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
Mark 10: 6-12 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."
Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”
Romans 7:1-3 Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.
1 Corinthians 7:10-13 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.
1 Corinthians 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.
Clear and consistent and unequivocally speaks for itself.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/15/2008 8:57:27 PM
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No I am not denying Paul's words, I AM DENYING YOUR WORDS! Seems you have a very hard time telling the difference.
I guess you do have me confused...because I didn't speak those words that you deny... my Bible says Paul did. If there is a Bible with my name in it, I'd love to see it.
I believe Paul is stating a fact, you believe he is stating a lie here...
Rom 7:2-3
"For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man."
I believe Paul when he says a woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. I believe Paul when he says the only condition in which she will not be an adulteress if she marries another...is if her first husband is dead.
Your theory doesn't work, because if this woman was "free" from abandonment, she would not be an adulteress when marrying another- but Paul says she is an adulteress. So this woman must have left her husband and committed adultery by marrying another. This shoots down both of your so-called exceptions because they didn't work for her- she is still bound to the husband she abandoned and committed adultery against and Jesus confirms this (Luke 16:18).
*** Use caution when anyone says a verse doesn't mean what it says... remember Satan telling Eve... "that's really not what God meant."
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/15/2008 9:45:39 PM
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*** Use caution when anyone says a verse doesn't mean what it says... remember Satan telling Eve... "that's really not what God meant."
What a great example!
God said don't eat from the tree in the middle of the garden, and then Satan came along and added to that command insinuating that God had really said don't eat from any tree in the Garden. Extending God's commands to include prohibitions God never intend surly is a trick of Satan, whether it is in reguards to adding Laws about which tree not to eat from or adding Laws about additional prohibitions against remarriage that go beyond what God has given us in his word, it is still a lie of Satan.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/16/2008 1:07:05 PM
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Extending God's commands to include prohibitions God never intend surly is a trick of Satan, whether it is in reguards to adding Laws about which tree not to eat from or adding Laws about additional prohibitions against remarriage that go beyond what God has given us in his word, it is still a lie of Satan.
Anyone can see plainly who is adding to His Word... there is no provision given anywhere to marry another, or to divorce in the first place. His direction is clear.
1 Cor 7:10-13
"To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him."
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/16/2008 1:10:34 PM
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And then the rest?.... that is where we are disagreeing... Look at the whole, not just the parts you like.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/16/2008 1:22:05 PM
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Extending God's commands to include prohibitions God never intend surly is a trick of Satan, whether it is in reguards to adding Laws about which tree not to eat from or adding Laws about additional prohibitions against remarriage that go beyond what God has given us in his word, it is still a lie of Satan.
Anyone can see plainly who is adding to His Word...
Thankfully, I do believe that almost everyone on these forums really can plainly see who is adding to His word; that is all but a handful in this thread that is.
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1 Cor 7:10-13
"To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him."
BTW - Your quote of scripture here is a great example of ignoring scripture so that you can add to the word of God; let me continue by adding a few verses you forgot. You abruptly ended at verse 13, and I will pick up at verse 14.
"For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace."
Isn't it amazing how looking at the above verses in the context of the rest of this passage aids in our understanding?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/16/2008 1:38:26 PM
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Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace."
Again you've added something to these words- these words say nothing whatsoever about remarriage. It says "not under bondage," which in the greek has a different meaning than the word "bound" which refers to the marriage bond. Notice it is ONLY referring to the brother or sister in this case who is not under bondgage. It does NOT say THEY are no longer bound to each other in marriage.
I did not leave anything out. I use scripture to interpret scripture, and since Jesus says EVERYONE who divorces and marries another commits adultery, and Paul repeats again in Romans what he said in Corinthians- that we are bound to our spouse until death and if we marry another we will be an adulteress, than your interpretation of that verse has to be invalid. Unless you believe they are both heretics...
If we understand that God's word does not contradict itself... we can see clearly how this conclusion doesn't add up.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/16/2008 1:47:26 PM
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Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace."
Again you've added something to these words- these words say nothing whatsoever about remarriage. It says "not under bondage," which in the greek has a different meaning than the word "bound" which refers to the marriage bond. Notice it is ONLY referring to the brother or sister in this case who is not under bondgage. It does NOT say THEY are no longer bound to each other in marriage.
Your interpretation; however, Greek scholars tell us you are wrong! Since they have spent their life studying the language and you have no direct knowledge of the Greek language, I will trust their opinion over yours.
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I did not leave anything out. I use scripture to interpret scripture, and since Jesus says EVERYONE who divorces and marries another commits adultery, and Paul repeats again in Romans what he said in Corinthians- that we are bound to our spouse until death and if we marry another we will be an adulteress, than your interpretation of that verse has to be invalid. Unless you believe they are both heretics...
If we understand that God's word does not contradict itself... we can see clearly how this conclusion doesn't add up.
Wow, she left out the parts she doesn't like AGAIN!, and presented it as if it were the entire word of God on this topic!
My bible includes an exception for sexual infidelity in both Mt. 5 and Mt. 19
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/16/2008 4:38:37 PM
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Sorry to interrupt the cyclical debate but ... here is a scenario for y'all. A woman who claimed to be a Christian and a man who claimed to be a Christian get married. He sacrifices as Christ did for the Church, she refuses to submit. He (by outside references) exhibits the Fruits of the Spirit. She (also by outside references) does not. She files for divorce against the man, but later changes her mind and drops the lawsuit. During the reconciliation period afterward, she changes her mind again and requests a divorce 5 times. He told her that he would accept separation but she demands a full divorce. He files and the divorce is granted. So, exegeters extraordinaire, can the husband remarry and not be condemned at the Judgment for living continuously in sin? Be certain to supply Scripture to support your arguments that apply directly to this case (the general arguments for and against remarriage have already been exhaustively presented).
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/16/2008 4:57:40 PM
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Sorry to interrupt the cyclical debate but ... here is a scenario for y'all. A woman who claimed to be a Christian and a man who claimed to be a Christian get married. He sacrifices as Christ did for the Church, she refuses to submit. He (by outside references) exhibits the Fruits of the Spirit. She (also by outside references) does not. She files for divorce against the man, but later changes her mind and drops the lawsuit. During the reconciliation period afterward, she changes her mind again and requests a divorce 5 times. He told her that he would accept separation but she demands a full divorce. He files and the divorce is granted. So, exegeters extraordinaire, can the husband remarry and not be condemned at the Judgment for living continuously in sin? Be certain to supply Scripture to support your arguments that apply directly to this case (the general arguments for and against remarriage have already been exhaustively presented).
My understanding of your post is that the Christian husband eventually choose to leave his non-Christian wife after she had made 5 threats to divorce him. Given only this information, I would say that no, he is not scripturally eligible to remarry. In 1 Cor. 7 Paul permits divorce and remarriage when a Christian spouse is abandoned by their non-Christian spouse, but not when a Christian spouse abandons their non-Christian spouse. Nowhere in scripture do I see that a spouse making the threat to divorce is a biblically valid reason to divorce them; however, it may be, depending on the circumstances, a biblically valid reason to pursue a separation.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/16/2008 8:56:06 PM
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Sorry to interrupt the cyclical debate but ... here is a scenario for y'all. A woman who claimed to be a Christian and a man who claimed to be a Christian get married. He sacrifices as Christ did for the Church, she refuses to submit. He (by outside references) exhibits the Fruits of the Spirit. She (also by outside references) does not. She files for divorce against the man, but later changes her mind and drops the lawsuit. During the reconciliation period afterward, she changes her mind again and requests a divorce 5 times. He told her that he would accept separation but she demands a full divorce. He files and the divorce is granted. So, exegeters extraordinaire, can the husband remarry and not be condemned at the Judgment for living continuously in sin? Be certain to supply Scripture to support your arguments that apply directly to this case (the general arguments for and against remarriage have already been exhaustively presented).
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Malachi 2:13-17 "This is another thing you do: you cover the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping and with groaning, because He no longer regards the offering or accepts it with favor from your hand. "Yet you say, 'For what reason?' Because the LORD has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant. "But not one has done so who has a remnant of the Spirit And what did that one do while he was seeking a godly offspring? Take heed then to your spirit, and let no one deal treacherously against the wife of your youth. "For I hate divorce," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "and him who covers his garment with wrong," says the LORD of hosts. "So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously." You have wearied the LORD with your words Yet you say, "How have we wearied Him?" In that you say, "Everyone who does evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and He delights in them," or, "Where is the God of justice?"
Ephesians 5:22-33 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, because we are members of His body. FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.
Matthew 5:31-32 "It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Matthew 19:4-6 And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
Mark 10: 6-12 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."
Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/17/2008 11:14:25 AM
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Your interpretation; however, Greek scholars tell us you are wrong! Since they have spent their life studying the language and you have no direct knowledge of the Greek language, I will trust their opinion over yours.
I don't trust anyone's "opinion" nor do I need anyone's opinion to tell me what the words of Jesus Christ mean. It doesn't matter how well I know Greek, if I know the definition of the word EVERYONE in English.
Luke 16:18
"EVERYONE who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery."
EVERYONE includes every single believer and unbeliever who "abandons" their spouse and marries another. This means they are still bound to the spouse they "abandoned." Which means the spouse they "abandoned" is still bound to them and not free to marry another.
Notice neither their abandonment, nor their adultery broke the covenant because the woman who was put away by someone who committed adultery (by "marrying" another) is also going to commit adultery if she marries another.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/17/2008 2:10:43 PM
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We're just asking if you also know the meaning of the word "except"....
and also... what unbound means....
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/17/2008 2:21:43 PM
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So, to summarize, Ben and SE, the remarried Christian man has committed the unpardonable sin (blasphemy of the Holy Spirit)? Interesting position.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/17/2008 2:31:54 PM
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I don't trust anyone's "opinion" nor do I need anyone's opinion to tell me what the words of Jesus Christ mean. It doesn't matter how well I know Greek, if I know the definition of the word EVERYONE in English.
Luke 16:18
"EVERYONE who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery."
EVERYONE includes every single believer and unbeliever who "abandons" their spouse and marries another. This means they are still bound to the spouse they "abandoned." Which means the spouse they "abandoned" is still bound to them and not free to marry another.
If it is so clear, then why are there differing opinions? As an example, I show you this:
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1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
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16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
These verses seem to contradict, but they do not. One just has to examine the entire context. I know all of the definitions of every word here, but that is not the point.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/17/2008 9:03:46 PM
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So, to summarize, Ben and SE, the remarried Christian man has committed the unpardonable sin (blasphemy of the Holy Spirit)? Interesting position.
When have I ever said that? I certainly believe that adultery is forgivable if one repents of it, which means turning from the extramarital affair, and making Christ one's Lord.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/17/2008 9:11:08 PM
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We're just asking if you also know the meaning of the word "except"....
Yes, we understand that there was an exception under the Old Covenant men whose wives had fornicated prior to marriage, but that has nothing to do with this discussion here.
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and also... what unbound means....
Yes, and the verse you're referring to says that a believer is unbound to their obligation to live with an unbeliever who refuses to dwell with them. It does not say that the believer is free from the marriage covenant, and actually says the opposite. Specifically that he or she is bound to it until their spouse dies, and that their only options are to remain unmarried or else reconcile with their spouse, and that any subsequent marriage would actually be an extramarital affair which by definition means it is not a legitimate marriage.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/17/2008 9:28:42 PM
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I don't trust anyone's "opinion" nor do I need anyone's opinion to tell me what the words of Jesus Christ mean. It doesn't matter how well I know Greek, if I know the definition of the word EVERYONE in English.
Luke 16:18
"EVERYONE who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery."
EVERYONE includes every single believer and unbeliever who "abandons" their spouse and marries another. This means they are still bound to the spouse they "abandoned." Which means the spouse they "abandoned" is still bound to them and not free to marry another.
If it is so clear, then why are there differing opinions?
2 Peter 2:1-3 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
John 3:19-20 "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/17/2008 10:07:58 PM
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SealedEternal
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So.... everyone that calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.... except for those that have married after divorce?
(am I using the logic correctly?)
It depends on your definition of "calling on His name" because He qualifies that statement throughout the Bible:
Luke 6:46-48 "Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? "Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built....
John 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."
John 14:21,23-24 "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him." Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me.
1 John 2:3-6 By this WE KNOW that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
1 John 5:2-3 By this WE KNOW that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
1 John 3:7-10 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. BY THIS the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
Matthew 7:16-23 "YOU WILL KNOW them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. "So then, you will know them by their fruits. "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/18/2008 1:23:03 AM
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