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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 2:58:17 PM   
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Hi all,

I'm not really sure if this is the correct place for me to be posting on the forums, but here it goes. I suffer from severe depression that I've had since I was a teenager. I am not as sociable as I used to be, in fact I rarely go out of the house. I find it hard to trust people after being hurt so many times. One of my friends recommended that I join a support group or seek therapy. Most of my therapy appointments have been missed because I have days where I crash emotionally. My friend also thinks that I am co-dependent. Bi-polar, depression, suicides and other mental illnesses run in our family history. By the way, that friend is the only one left in my life as I seem to have pushed all others out.

I came to know Christ as my savior in 1996, shortly before my divorce. God gets me through many many things and has spared my life on more than one occasion.

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Hi, Limulus and welcome to the boards! I also know how's it's like to crash emotionally and not have many friends because of it. I've dealt with psychiatrists who didn't believe that my medication was causing suicidal thoughts, resulting in actual attempts, before I found one that helped me and is still doing so. I've also been rejected by ignorant churches and people because of my mental illness. At one time, I thought I was being victimized by society as a whole. It's hard being a Christian and having mental illness, since there is a lot of stigma attached to it.

One way to make new friends is to seek out those who have similar mental health issues. There are many ways to do this, including day mental health rehabilitation programs, social service programs, and local mental health agencies, who can give you a referral to other sources.

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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 2:59:38 PM   
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While it's not easy to go to therapy (and can in itself be the reason we 'crash' emotionally) it is worth going. It's possible that you don't feel you're achieved much in a session like this ~ but the fact that you've been able to show up is a great start. You really should discuss with your therapist how you can deal with this ~ over the phone if necessary, but preferably face2face.

Something that I learnt in therapy was that it wasn't just somewhere to cut open old scars. My therapist was also interested in how things had been for me in the previous weeks ~ during the time I was seeing my therapist, I had a virus and 2 aunts died. All this affected me emotionally and it was useful for her to know. I don't think a decent therapist would push you on your past if you were struggling in your present. I'd suspect that they'd like to try and help you cope with your present before looking at your past ~ and in looking at your present, you may find that some of your past is more bearable.


Those are great points!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 3:24:36 PM   
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Thanks Roberta .

So here's the question. I joined friendreunited a while back (paid just once) because I saw someone I knew from school that I kinda would have liked to hear from. Friends reunited has just become free (to send and receive msgs and today, I opened my email box and it announced that there was a msg from her! Cool huh?

But do I tell her now or later that I've bipolar?

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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 3:31:28 PM   
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Hi Limulus! Agapetos gave good advice about therapy. A good therapist will help you learn to cope. Besides, while SOMETIMES (but not always) the past does have to be dealt with as part of learning to better cope, a good therapist won't dig into the past when it's not necessary or when it's not going to be productive (like if the patient isn't up to it or ready for it) - and they'll know exactly what to ask about and what to do with that information rather than repeatedly digging up all the randomly applicable info they can think to ask about.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 3:35:35 PM   
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But do I tell her now or later that I've bipolar?


How close were you two?

I don't keep my bipolar a secret, but I usually don't tell people unless it comes up in conversation.

It is so cool to be reunited with people!!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 3:46:02 PM   
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Close-ish and we kept in touch after we left school then lost touch, then she tracked me down and we kept in touch and lost touch ~ around 15 years back, maybe a bit more.

I think we became closer after we left school though.

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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 3:59:56 PM   
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Agapetos- you're an intuitive woman, so I would trust whatever "gut feeling" you have about the issue.

If you're questioning whether or not to tell her, is there a possibility that she has given some sort of spoken or unspoken reason that she might be uncomfortable about discussing mental illnesses?
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 4:11:20 PM   
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No. My thoughts would always be to tell ~ as there is never a good time to tell something like this to. Having said that, she's a psych nurse and I'd hate to her to think that I'm wanting to reconnect because of that.

We did a lot of crazy things at school (including putting talc in the salt cellars once ) and after and it would just be fun to catch up, whether that would be just a few emails before we find out our paths are too different or keep in touch for a while...

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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 4:48:28 PM   
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No. My thoughts would always be to tell ~ as there is never a good time to tell something like this to. Having said that, she's a psych nurse and I'd hate to her to think that I'm wanting to reconnect because of that.


I can understand where she may or may not think that.

Me personally, I'd tell. If I thought that my bipolar would have a serious effect on a relationship, then I'd rather get it out in the open as soon as possible. It's been my experience that there are fewer hurt feelings that way. That's just my personal experience though.

Not too long after I was diagnosed with bipolar, I told my family. It had a negative impact on my relationship with my younger brother because his new wife (I hadn't met her yet) was just finishing up her degree to be a therapist. She is very nervous around me and does worry that something will come up where she feels the need to be my therapist and that it'd be a freebie! She made a joke one time about bipolar. I was one of few in the room who understood it and I thought it was very funny! However, she was worried that she had offended me.

It does upset me that she thinks that I would ever consider free therapy from her.
1- I'm smart enough to know that close friends and family (even in-laws) should never provide mental health services to another family member unless a life is on the line.
2- My family has never come to me for a freebie when it has come to my jobs that I've held down.

Of course, our situation is different because we are family and there are times where we have to maintain contact or interact with each other.

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We did a lot of crazy things at school (including putting talc in the salt cellars once ) and after and it would just be fun to catch up, whether that would be just a few emails before we find out our paths are too different or keep in touch for a while...


We might have to take that part of the discussion to manda's thread. I have no idea what salt cellars are!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 5:00:00 PM   
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If I thought that my bipolar would have a serious effect on a relationship, then I'd rather get it out in the open as soon as possible.
I don't think it would have a serious effect. If she freaks out about it, I guess better sooner than later. I emailed her back (it's her bday Tuesday) and mentioned it.

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It does upset me that she thinks that I would ever consider free therapy from her.
Have you actually told her that, or have you just kind of ignored the elephant in the room?

I have an ongoing joke with my doctor because we keep running into each other in supermarkets. I told her that I kinda freaked when I saw her because I didn't want her thinking that I was stalking her! I think that was right after she'd approached me at a time I would never have seen her so if anything, she was stalking me! We've agreed a course of action (neither of us will be bothered if we don't see or speak with each other and she won't give me the 3rd degree if I don't look well so long as I don't ask her for a consult in the supermarket

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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 5:03:43 PM   
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I've never told my SIL that. I guess I'm kind of holding a grudge there.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 5:07:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Limulus

Hi all,

I'm not really sure if this is the correct place for me to be posting on the forums, but here it goes. I suffer from severe depression that I've had since I was a teenager. I am not as sociable as I used to be, in fact I rarely go out of the house. I find it hard to trust people after being hurt so many times. One of my friends recommended that I join a support group or seek therapy. Most of my therapy appointments have been missed because I have days where I crash emotionally. My friend also thinks that I am co-dependent. Bi-polar, depression, suicides and other mental illnesses run in our family history. By the way, that friend is the only one left in my life as I seem to have pushed all others out.

I came to know Christ as my savior in 1996, shortly before my divorce. God gets me through many many things and has spared my life on more than one occasion.

That's all for now.



Hi, Limulus and welcome to the boards! I also know how's it's like to crash emotionally and not have many friends because of it. I've dealt with psychiatrists who didn't believe that my medication was causing suicidal thoughts, resulting in actual attempts, before I found one that helped me and is still doing so. I've also been rejected by ignorant churches and people because of my mental illness. At one time, I thought I was being victimized by society as a whole. It's hard being a Christian and having mental illness, since there is a lot of stigma attached to it.

One way to make new friends is to seek out those who have similar mental health issues. There are many ways to do this, including day mental health rehabilitation programs, social service programs, and local mental health agencies, who can give you a referral to other sources.


Hi Melissa! I somehow missed your post here.

In response to the part that I bolded, you sure got that right!!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 5:16:11 PM   
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I've never told my SIL that. I guess I'm kind of holding a grudge there.

Might I suggest you pick a time when you're not stressed and vulnerable and bury the grudge and speak/email with her about it? You're both adults and you can sit down and work out groundrules of what is and isn't acceptable for the both of you.

So many people react negatively when relatives/friends admit to have a mental health problem and sometimes it's through prejudice but sometimes it's through misunderstanding of roles etc. It sounds as though you know that it's down to roles and it's a shame to continue this, especially if your relationship with your brother had been good up to this time.

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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 5:33:12 PM   
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Agapetos, I just had a thought. Is there a possibility that your friend already knows that you are bipolar?

A few days ago a friend of mine (who I've known and had on and off contact with since high school) confessed to me that she's bulimic. Honestly, it was not a shock. It was something that I already knew based on my knowledge of the disease (which is limited) and the things she did while we were together.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 7:45:02 PM   
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I've been told by a couple of professionals that I'm "too nice." I suppose I am at times. I have to tell someone something for my own mental health. Basically, I have to tell my sister and BIL that I need more privacy and sleep. Basically, since I sleep on the couch, I can't have people in the living room watching TV and playing video games until 1 or 2 am and then have others getting ready for work at 4:30 am. It's not enough deep, solid sleep for me. I don't think it really is for most people.

My BIL stays up late playing the games or watching TV. If he's not up, then their girls are. He gets up at 5:30 am and leaves for work at 6 am. I don't know how he does that!

Sis goes to bed at 8 pm and gets up at 4:30 am and leaves for work at 6 am.

So, how do I nicely but firmly, tell them that I need a change in the night time routines?


OK- I mentioned this situation to my sister this morning. I knew that I should've talked to her and her husband at the same time. I don't know how she approached him about it, but I now have him and my nieces mad at me because the living room is off limits once I go to bed.

I think I'd rather do without sleep than to have them mad at me.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/13/2008 11:27:07 PM  1 votes
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Roberta, the important thing is that you're setting a boundary with your family. They might not like it, but don't let their reactions bother you too much. They just need to learn to respect your right to a good nights sleep. I've learned a lot from the green Boundaries book by Henry Cloud and other authors.

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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/14/2008 12:00:07 AM   
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I just don't like having people mad at me. My BIL did apologize, but my nieces aren't liking it one bit. Tonight will probably be a night of them seeing if their parents will enforce this new rule.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/14/2008 12:36:26 AM   
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Well it's 9:30 and the battle is already lost. Maybe tomorrow?
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/14/2008 12:39:25 AM   
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Melissa has a good point when she mentions boundaries. We're responsible for OUR actions and reactions but not anyone else's. You have a right to expect to be able to get enough sleep somehow, whether or not everyone else is "happy" with that. Your responsiblity is for your sleep and for communicating that need in a way that allows for them to adjust accoringly - your responsibility does NOT include keeping them happy at all times or doing whatever might be necessary to do that.

BTW, that book she recommended really is an excellent book.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/14/2008 12:47:34 AM   
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I may have to get that book. Long story, but I now get to sleep in the recliner because my bed has orange soda all over it.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/14/2008 12:11:20 PM   
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Roberta, I think that it's important that you don't let this drop. Yes, you may have people mad at you, but if they'd been considerate of you and your needs to begin with then there would be no need for it. Even if you didn't have a mental health issue, you'd still be needing more than a couple of hours sleep. And I'd be requesting the 'power' to kick the girls out of the room when you go to bed.

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Agapetos, I just had a thought. Is there a possibility that your friend already knows that you are bipolar?
Probably not. She has just emailed me back though. I think I messed with her brain some because I remembered it's her birthday tomorrow!

I can't remember what I have said about me recently. I requested that I be removed from my nurse's care last month. I received a message (after nudging once or twice) last week from someone on the mental health team to say that she had been asked to meet with me. She's just phoned again and is coming out on Wednesday to meet with me. She sounds nice. She also noted that my care plan is close to needing a review and so is bringing my old one so we can discuss it and what needs I have ~ which is pretty much what I'd been thinking!

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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/14/2008 12:22:33 PM   
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Roberta, I think that it's important that you don't let this drop. Yes, you may have people mad at you, but if they'd been considerate of you and your needs to begin with then there would be no need for it. Even if you didn't have a mental health issue, you'd still be needing more than a couple of hours sleep. And I'd be requesting the 'power' to kick the girls out of the room when you go to bed.


You're absolutey correct! It's going to be an uphill battle. The girls finally decided that they'd go to bed in their parents room. I set my pillow and my blanket up where I was going to sleep (in the recliner). I did a few quite odds and ends that were requested of me yesterday. I came back out into the living room and my BIL was in the recliner with my blanket and pillow - snoring! I got him to wake up enough to tell me that there was no room in his bed and he didn't want to wake the girls up again because it would take too long to get them back to sleep. Then he went back to sleep and I was unable to wake him up. So I slept on the other couch, which is broken.
I actually used to sleep on the other couch, until it broke. Now it feels like you're always about to fall off of it!

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I can't remember what I have said about me recently. I requested that I be removed from my nurse's care last month. I received a message (after nudging once or twice) last week from someone on the mental health team to say that she had been asked to meet with me. She's just phoned again and is coming out on Wednesday to meet with me. She sounds nice. She also noted that my care plan is close to needing a review and so is bringing my old one so we can discuss it and what needs I have ~ which is pretty much what I'd been thinking!


I hope that everything works out for you!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/14/2008 12:26:31 PM   
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Where do the girls normally sleep?

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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/14/2008 12:45:59 PM   
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Where ever they feel like it. J-8 usually in her parents room or the recliner. J-10 usually in her bed for a little while and then she moves to the living room.

I have an appointment today that I must keep, but I don't wanna! The appointment has nothing to do with mental health issues and it's great that I got an appointment today, especially since I just made the appointment on Friday. The girls can't go with me, so I'm fortunate that other plans were able to be made for them...... for the entire afternoon! I've decided that I'm going to treat myself to a couple of hours of solitude afterwards. I have no idea what I'm going to do or where I'm going to go. I think I'm going to go to a deli and get a sandwich and take it to the nearby dog park and just watch the people and their puppies for a while.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 7/14/2008 12:58:04 PM   
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Where ever they feel like it. J-8 usually in her parents room or the recliner. J-10 usually in her bed for a little while and then she moves to the living room.
Fine. If they don't clear the room on time, then you get to sleep in their bed and they can sleep wherever.

I'm sorry, at their age they should be going to bed at a reasonable hour, determined by their parents/carers, not when it suits them.

I went to boarding school when I was 11 and my bedtime was 8.30pm. In summer we had to be ready and in bed for 8.30pm but were allowed to read for 30 minutes. And we were expected to stay there until 7.15am the next morning (though there were times we got up earlier ~ or woke up for midnight feasts ).

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I've decided that I'm going to treat myself to a couple of hours of solitude afterwards. I have no idea what I'm going to do or where I'm going to go. I think I'm going to go to a deli and get a sandwich and take it to the nearby dog park and just watch the people and their puppies for a while.
Good for you.

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