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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/28/2008 8:12:45 PM
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karlie
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I'm sure there were Christians in that crowd at Wal Mart also.
I would have a hard time being convinced that anyone so greedy and selfish as to have helped perpetuate that tragedy was a true follower of Christ 
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/28/2008 9:15:10 PM
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Karlie, that's a tough one . . . there are people in these threads who have been talking for days about how early they were going to get to the stores. I personally agree with what you have said.
I don't have a problem at all with people who want to get up and go shopping for the best bargains...if that toots their horn, I hope they have a great time and find what they need! But, I'd like to think that NO one here(or other believers) who had plans to shop early would have been so greedy and self-serving as to have joined in gang mentality to knock over and kill a person just to save a few dollars. Certainly none of the avid shoppers I know personally would stoop so low.
My point was not the shopping itself...that's perfectly fine if you're into that. There are people who do it in a sane, considerate way, including many people I know. What I was talking about was the method of shopping. Anyone who can get so caught up in their material lust and greed that they would run over someone who stands in their way is not someone I would look at as an example of Christianity.
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/28/2008 9:22:27 PM
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WhiteRoseBlessings
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What I was talking about was the method of shopping. Anyone who can get so caught up in their material lust and greed that they would run over someone who stands in their way is not someone I would look at as an example of Christianity.
I agree. In fact, I think you and I are agreeing more than we're disagreeing regarding this . . .
I readily admit, though, that I absolutely don't understand how someone would even want to be in that type of environment; regardless of whether they were participating or not in such behavior. The more people gathering outside the doors waiting for them to open, the more "mobbish" the overall mentality of the crowd will be. My contention is, "why even contribute (even inadvertently and unintentionally) to that?"
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 12:51:54 AM
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I think Mr. Obama should pull all our people out of the Wal-Marts and bring them home...
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 2:22:25 AM
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I think Mr. Obama should pull all our people out of the Wal-Marts and bring them home...
John, I think this is the first time you've made me laugh. 
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 4:03:09 AM
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I am so sad for what happened. Some of the things in the article made me want to barf..like the store opening back up at 1 am THAT DAY? The store should have been closed the rest of the week out of respect. Then right on that same article's page they had (at least here), a home depot ad right next to the article. sick.
This reminds me when I was a kid a bunch of us were making the merry go round go round..you know standing on the outside..and me and a friend fell down..and the other kids just kept walking right on top of us..ouch..finally (all too late, of course)..a teacher stepped in. I thought that misery would never end. I was dizzy afterwards.
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 8:39:56 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/ap_on_re_us/wal_mart_death
Here's another news article... it doesn't say anything about a miscarriage, so I hope that mom and baby are both fine.
This story really saddens me. It used to be every Thanksgiving that several of my cousins would pull out their circulars after dinner and plan their "attack". They enjoyed the rush, and those 4am sales!! They'd then keep shopping all day because it was almost like a sport. But here in the South, we don't seem to have the "mob mentality", at least it's not quite as pronounced. If that happened down here, there would be more than 3-4 people stop to help the guy, and you wouldn't hear people protesting because they closed the store. Where's the compassion, people?? This world just saddens me... we've lost so much compassion for others in this me-first world. Either we need to get back to the real meaning of Christmas, or we're going to need to set up the national guard outside of the stores to keep people from lining up 24 hours before the opening, then bursting in like a herd of cattle! Sheesh.
I sit here sipping my tea and spending just a few dollars shopping online... no traffic, no searcing for a parking spot, no annoying Christmas music, no long lines at the buffet... just me and my computer buying non-generic things I can't find at the mall anyway. And we're going to have a wonderful Christmas celebrating the birth of our Savior.
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 9:36:20 AM
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This is sad and it's part of our mentality that we have today. Get what we want regardless of who gets hurt or gets in the way. I read the article and when the store closed for the day, people were angry about the store closing. We have gotten caloused as a people and as a nation. There's more to life than shopping.
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 10:04:58 AM
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This is just absolutely disgusting! My wife went to Wal-Mart 3 years ago on Black Friday (she had never participated in the Black Friday sales before this). She wanted to pick up a couple of things for our daughters. She was shoved into a rack of greeting cards by some brute who wanted the iPods that were on sale. My wife fell to the floor and nobody bothered to even help her up! Fortunately, she was not injured, but when she stood up, she saw 2 people get into a fist fight over the last laptop for sale, and saw people cussing each other out. She was so distraught and shocked by how people were acting that she left and came home in tears.
It's just unbelievable how people act at this time of year. So much for that "Christmas spirit"! 
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 11:03:35 AM
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The latest news says that the police are examining the security tapes and trying to identify the shoppers involved in order to press charges. They also said the store had inadequate security and apparently none of them were outside. It also said that other workers were trampled as they tried to rescue the man who was killed and that the shoppers were acting like "savages", becoming irate at any interference in their entry into the store or activities thereafter.
My husband said that stores should be held legally responsible for setting up the conditions which lead to this sort of thing, and that anyone who is "camped out" in the parking lot before the store opens should be arrested for loitering by the police. He also said if they refuse to leave the premises, they should be shot... 
I'm glad to know that the pregnant woman and her child are ok. My oldest son was appalled and said that being technologically advanced has not resulted in being more civilized. He works at a restaurant next to one of our area's biggest malls and that the customers were even more obnoxious than usual yesterday. One of his co-workers had been to a Wal-mart earlier and reported that people had brought their kids- even babies- and been waiting in the pre-dawn cold. The kids were crying and squalling and getting bumped and pushed by other shoppers which led to the parents getting into fights and screaming/cussing matches with other adults (and I use that term loosely) over their kids as well as the merchandise. Yeesh!
Due to economics we are not buying much of anything this year. We chipped in on a very good cookware set for my married daughter (who had been using thrift store pot and pans) bought online for about $100 on sale(reg $239). Everyone else is getting home-made breads, jam, candied dried persimmons, canned pears and apples from our trees, cookies and brownies, deer jerky, soup/stew mix in a jar, houseplants I've grown, etc. We've never really done the shopping thing for Christmas anyway.
I personally prefer hand-made gifts myself, even those unique little thriftstore things you come across. Usually I take baskets bought at the thrift stores, pretty them up with paint, ribbons, and trim, and fill them with fruits and home-baked goodies. This year I'm wrapping the goodies in flour-sack dish towels I bought at Linens-n-Things, which is going out of business. That way, the giftees get something they can eat wrapped in something they can use- no used paper to throw out. The flowers are going into pots salvaged from yard sales, garages being cleaned out, etc., and which I have painted up to suit the person it's going to (my hubby will be glad when they aren't all over the living room).
It may not cost much but I put a great deal of thought into to it, and I like to think that it beats that over-priced stuff from the stores any day. The kids and I have always had fun making the gifts we give and that in itself is important. Several of us cousins and friends get together and make things and have a ball while we're at it!
Who needs to buy into the holiday-mob madness, anyway? With all of the threats to one's safety from getting robbed in the parking lot to getting trampled or assaulted in the store, it just isn't worth it.
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 11:21:51 AM
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I think the stores need to start taking responsibility also. They whip people into a frenzied mob with all the hype and the hoopla, they don't provide sufficient security to control the massive crowds they've incited, and then they wring their hands and bemoan humanity when someone gets hurt.
There would be massive public outrage if this sort of thing were allowed to happen at anywhere else that whipping a crowd into a frenzy is considered "appropriate" (concerts, sporting events, political rallies, etc). We need to start insisting that if stores are going to do their best to incite a riot, they need to make sure they also have the ability to secure the safety of their employees and customers once they've whipped people into a frenzy.
Personally I'm terrified of shopping on Black Friday. No amount of savings is worth getting assaulted over.
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 11:32:02 AM
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Maybe States could either pass laws (or are already on the books) that says that a retailer has to honor a price advertised even if they run out of the item at hand.
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 11:34:39 AM
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Maybe States could either pass laws (or are already on the books) that says that a retailer has to honor a price advertised even if they run out of the item at hand.
Its called a "rain-check", but every store has a different policy on those.
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 11:36:59 AM
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Will never happen, Mike, and nor should it. Quantities limited means quantities are limited. Government has no business interfering in retail in that way. NONE.
I noticed this year that some stores were starting even earlier...having special sales on Thanksgiving day too.
This whole culture of "more, more, more" is disgusting. I don't know that there is anything retailers can do about it that they would be WILLING to do. They profit from it greatly, and in the grand scheme of things, probably won't remember this man or his family for long. I hope his family brings a wrongful death suit against Walmart and I also hope the people who trampled over other human beings are found and brought to justice. I sincerely hope no one that was a part of that slept at all last night.
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 11:39:29 AM
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I couldn't believe it when I read this morning that while they were trying to clear the store after the man was trampled people were refusing to leave saying "I've been lined up for hours, I want to do my shopping."
I think another thing retailers need to get rid of is this "first 200 customers get a free something." That results in a crush of people. Even when they give tickets to the first 200 people in line, it still results in a lot of fights.
I also read that two people were shot at a Toysrus. While the police are saying it has to do with a previous argument, some witnesses thought the argument was over a toy. (The police are being kind of quiet on the situation right now, if anyone else knows anything or can clarify, please do so.)
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 11:39:40 AM
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If I had an HD-TV, I would have likely considered going to the mall to get the Blu-Ray DVD player that was on sale for only $180, which is $120 dollars less than the previous advertised price. The whole thing on making quantities limited though, this causes riotous conditions. Stores should be held accountable.
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 11:41:34 AM
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I think the stores need to start taking responsibility also. They whip people into a frenzied mob with all the hype and the hoopla, they don't provide sufficient security to control the massive crowds they've incited, and then they wring their hands and bemoan humanity when someone gets hurt.
There would be massive public outrage if this sort of thing were allowed to happen at anywhere else that whipping a crowd into a frenzy is considered "appropriate" (concerts, sporting events, political rallies, etc). We need to start insisting that if stores are going to do their best to incite a riot, they need to make sure they also have the ability to secure the safety of their employees and customers once they've whipped people into a frenzy.
Personally I'm terrified of shopping on Black Friday. No amount of savings is worth getting assaulted over.
Which is why I'm never out-n-about the day after Thanksgiving, Christmas, or on New Year's Day. I sat at home yesterday and worked on a set of family scrap-books with my oldest daughter. All of my kids will be homefor Christmas this year, along with my 2 grandchildren, so I want to have them ready for all of the pictures and mementos we'll be accruing! Today I'm making Christmas cards, drinking some Sugar Plum Spice tea, and puttering around the house. Livestock has been fed, it's cold and raining, and I just know the Lord wants me to relax and enjoy myself.
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 11:47:52 AM
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Toys R Us incident
It doesn't sound like that one was related to Black Friday.
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 11:51:35 AM
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Toys R Us incident
It doesn't sound like that one was related to Black Friday.
Supposedly it was gang-related. But still, in a TOY store with all those kids there? Geez what's wrong with people?
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RE: Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors - 11/29/2008 11:51:39 AM
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B/C many states have "rain check" laws, the stores need to state only x of these items are available. The root of the problem is that life has become cheapend and people only care about themselves.
Judg 21:25 (ESV) 25In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.
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