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The ethics of killing little pests - 11/27/2008 9:16:17 AM
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OneOfHisJewels
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We had 2 mice in the house in the past week, and killed both with mousetraps, in a way, I felt bad for the mice, but we had to do what we had to do. But, I figured since we used mousetraps, at least they probably died a quick and sudden death. I remembered then, that some people use glue traps..I think that is mean, because the mouse struggles and suffers, and one man flung a live mouse in the fire, and it ran into his house and burned the house down (it was on the news a while back)..I felt it kind of served him right..to throw something alive in the fire is really cruel, I think. When we get an ant invasion, I do use bug spray, but if I see one not dead and writhing, I spray it again, so it doesn't have to be miserable..the same if I have to stomp on some other sort of bug..I try to make sure it dies a quick and sudden death.
God says the righteous man will have compassion on his beast..so while I understand killing animals, up to and including the ones we eat (and I'm no vegetarian)..I don't think we should be torturous to animals either.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/27/2008 10:31:17 AM
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Mmm, there's a large number of people who freak out and act in an entirely irrational manner where mice and other rodents are concerned. I highly doubt the guy was considering the potential suffering to the mouse when he flung it in the fire, he was likely just panicking. He certainly did not consider the repercussions of that action in general, as is pretty obvious. There was a news story a couple of months back regarding someone trying to kill a mouse with a .44 magnum handgun (yes, INSIDE her house) and managing to shoot herself and another person in the process (not fatally fortunately, but it had to hurt), I would imagine it was the same scenario.
That being said... I would agree with you in general. God gave humankind the animals to be stewards over, and we should be good stewards... not causing undue suffering.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/27/2008 11:13:22 AM
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Well I guess that the attitude expressed is all touchy feely and good, but I considier anythng that brings disease, germs, sickness, and possibly death to my family to be fair game for exrtermination.
This goes for bacteria and viruses that invade our bodies as well.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/27/2008 12:28:07 PM
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Hi RCJames,
I think you've opened a whole new can of worms here - pardon the pun.
If certain creatures bring disease, germs, sickness and possibly death - then why does God allow them to exist?
Ooops - this is certainly Off Topic. So I'll say no more.
However, I agree entirely with your views.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/27/2008 12:43:21 PM
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Did you read my op carefully? I agree 100% that all those things are fair game for extermination.I was just saying we should do it as humanely as possible.
For example, I think our use of the traditional board and wire mousetraps, which kill the mouse in an instant is much more humane than mousetrap glue.
I agree, but my cat does not; he insists on torturing them, perhaps to get information about where the others are hiding. I don't approve of this technique, but I overlook it because he seems to be getting the job done.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/27/2008 12:46:47 PM
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Did you read my op carefully? I agree 100% that all those things are fair game for extermination.I was just saying we should do it as humanely as possible.
For example, I think our use of the traditional board and wire mousetraps, which kill the mouse in an instant is much more humane than mousetrap glue.
I agree, but my cat does not; he insists on torturing them, perhaps to get information about where the others are hiding. I don't approve of this technique, but I overlook it because he seems to be getting the job done.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/27/2008 12:52:52 PM
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If certain creatures bring disease, germs, sickness and possibly death - then why does God allow them to exist?
Because of the fall of man, and the subsequent curse.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/27/2008 1:09:26 PM
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Well, if the exterminator is planning on releasing the critter glue or a live trap is warranted but just trapping for eventual extermination seems 'cruel and unusual' as is taunting or tormenting.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/27/2008 1:31:36 PM
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Hi RCJames,...
If certain creatures bring disease, germs, sickness and possibly death - then why does God allow them to exist?...
It is just part of the fall. The same quesiton could be ask of sin, or a myriad of other things.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/27/2008 1:45:10 PM
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We had 2 mice in the house in the past week, and killed both with mousetraps, in a way, I felt bad for the mice, but we had to do what we had to do. But, I figured since we used mousetraps, at least they probably died a quick and sudden death. I remembered then, that some people use glue traps..I think that is mean, because the mouse struggles and suffers
Shortly after moving into our apartment, we discovered we had a mouse. I went to complain and all the management would so was give me glue traps and those poison things.
I had all these visions of going into to get my daughter in the morning and finding her cuddling a mouse instead of her teddy (yes I'm a bit strange) so I just wanted the mouse gone. But the mouse was smart. Didn't go near any of the traps!
We finally managed to get it outside alive and well. But how bad did we feel, when we discovered that there were two babies living with the mouse! I know they're pests, but the poor things had lost their mama! Unfortunately, we got of rid of the babies dead. One got into the glue trap and I felt so awful to see it alive, but not able to move. I agree that those are horrible, and I would never use one again.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/28/2008 11:55:28 AM
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Lets not become legalistic on these matters. I think that anything other than keeping the righteous requirments of the Law is just up to you.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/28/2008 1:36:04 PM
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Ps103
I thought this was going to be a thread about Richard Simmons...
Or, Rosie Odonnel. Oh wait, she's a large pest. 
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/28/2008 2:37:51 PM
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Or, Rosie Odonnel. Oh wait, she's a large pest.
Besides, the sticky traps just make them louder!
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/28/2008 2:51:07 PM
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You last 3 posters cracked me up.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/28/2008 11:17:01 PM
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Rodents and insects are food in nature's chain of events. They breed quickly and effeciently for that purpose.
We eliminated their natural enemies making a void...so they overpopulate and it is up to us to limit their number, or they starve.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/28/2008 11:51:59 PM
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it is up to us to limit their number,
I KNOW that!!! Why are so many misunderstanding (well 2 of you at least-both men, hmm) me? I'm NOT saying it's wrong to kill pests...we would live in gross conditions if we didn't. I'm just saying we can do it quickly and humanely and not tortureously.
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RE: The ethics of killing little pests - 11/29/2008 1:32:57 AM
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I'm just saying we can do it quickly and humanely and not tortureously.
I've been avoiding this, but here goes. Why are we so concerned about some critter dying a humane death as opposed to simply dying? Having grown up a city kid, I am able to wrap my mind around this concept. But, now I live in the country. We have all kinds of pests beside rodents. When a skunk wanders through my property, I don't care how humanely it dies, all I care about is killing it (hopefully without stinking the place up).
Mice, if the cats can play with them, why can't we. A hockey stick and a mouse make for some good entertainment. Perhaps I've turned into a redneck. Is this why so many "civilized" folk don't like Sarah Palin? I don't want to hijack this thread and turn it into something else. But, I took a "wildlife" class in the 7th grade. My teacher was adamant that trapping animals for fur was absolutely wrong. She drilled this into our young skulls. Then, right out of high school I moved to Alaska. People trap animals for fur and then wear the fur up there. And it's warmer than goosedown or synthetic material. I know many who live off the land and the proceeds of their trap lines. I am convinced more than ever that the urbanization of our culture has blocked from our minds the realities of nature. This is why we have moronic groups like PETA. Thanks Ms. V!
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I agree 100% that all those things are fair game for extermination.I was just saying we should do it as humanely as possible. 
