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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 8:34:13 PM
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Hypothetically thinking out loud: If the idea is to stop terrorism by retaliation, I think the retaliatory act would need to be of such magnitude that it would break the will of the terrorists to continue the atrocities. Such measures might include nuclear bombs on major cities, as we did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If we went with conventional weapons, creating firestorms like those in London, Hamburg, Dresden, and several other cities during World War II would be effective. The sheer horror of such strikes, I think, would bring an end to a lot of the terrorism. Granted, many innocent lives would be lost, but how many will be lost if we allow this to continue? They kill a bunch of us, we kill a few of them. That's not going to get the job done.
Our military's idea of "surgical strikes" sound great and they look good on tv, but apparently they don't have much effect on the terrorists. Not many civilian casualties, but it doesn't deter the terrorists. The idea has to be to destroy the will of the enemy to fight. This very well may be a choice we have to make pretty soon.
Well, i'd certainly favor taking out the parents of terrorists to see how it works before nuking cities. I am convinced that the parents of these people are culpable. The society in the cultures where these terrorists come from is not like western culture where parents are shocked and dismayed by what their childern do. Most likely the parents are the ones who put the children on this track to begin with. The older generations in the middle east tolerate and actually promote hatred and murder. The parents should be running the people who teach hatred out of town, but they don't do they? What sort of parents send their children to a school where they are taught to hate?? I'm sorry if I seem to be a bit judgemental here but that is the way I see it. These kids didn't get to be killers on their own.
I don't know the answer but i'd certainly want to try targeting the parents before targeting a whole city because, like I said, a case can be made for the parents being responsible. Maybe... just maybe, these kids who care nothing for their own lives... care for their parents.
We could also wrap any islamic terrorist in a pig skin before we bury them. Make them an offense to the demon called allah.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 9:27:02 PM
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Our military has the firepower. The problem is that we don't know who needs stomping; and when we do know who, we have trouble finding them and fighting them. What we need is a better intelligence service and better diplomacy.
-Dan.
You are partly right, Dan.
We DO have the firepower......no DOUBT.....our Navy is AWESOME.
And we DO know who needs stomping.
The problem is, our panty waist Joint Chiefs and politicians are scared to DEATH that we might kill some innocent people in order to neutralize our enemies.
NO WAR can be won without collateral damage (killing innocent people).
It is a sad reality, but necessary if we are to remain a sovereign nation and retain our military advantage.
Well, I suppose if your attitude is "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out," then I suppose you're right. We do know who needs stomping.
However, if you consider yourself to be "pro-life," I'd think the sensitivity to civilian casualties and the desire to prevent such needless innocent deaths would be appreciated.
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EDIT: I just had an afterthought.....
If we don't DESTROY them over there, our next battle will be on US soil....and you can take that to the bank.
Who are "them" and where is "there"?
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 11:29:03 PM
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Who are "them" and where is "there"?
Where have you been the last 5.5 years the terrorists were always in Iraq. Don't you listen to the administration?
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 12:57:43 AM
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Who are "them" and where is "there"?
Where have you been the last 5.5 years the terrorists were always in Iraq. Don't you listen to the administration?
Maybe your right, maybe not. I will say I'm more inclined to listen to those who are briefed daily on intelligence, much of which for security reasons cannot be divulged, than to armchair generals who are privy to none of it.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 5:06:51 AM
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Hypothetically thinking out loud: If the idea is to stop terrorism by retaliation, I think the retaliatory act would need to be of such magnitude that it would break the will of the terrorists to continue the atrocities. Such measures might include nuclear bombs on major cities, as we did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If we went with conventional weapons, creating firestorms like those in London, Hamburg, Dresden, and several other cities during World War II would be effective. The sheer horror of such strikes, I think, would bring an end to a lot of the terrorism. Granted, many innocent lives would be lost, but how many will be lost if we allow this to continue? They kill a bunch of us, we kill a few of them. That's not going to get the job done.
Our military's idea of "surgical strikes" sound great and they look good on tv, but apparently they don't have much effect on the terrorists. Not many civilian casualties, but it doesn't deter the terrorists. The idea has to be to destroy the will of the enemy to fight. This very well may be a choice we have to make pretty soon.
Well, i'd certainly favor taking out the parents of terrorists to see how it works before nuking cities. I am convinced that the parents of these people are culpable. The society in the cultures where these terrorists come from is not like western culture where parents are shocked and dismayed by what their childern do. Most likely the parents are the ones who put the children on this track to begin with. The older generations in the middle east tolerate and actually promote hatred and murder. The parents should be running the people who teach hatred out of town, but they don't do they? What sort of parents send their children to a school where they are taught to hate?? I'm sorry if I seem to be a bit judgemental here but that is the way I see it. These kids didn't get to be killers on their own.
I don't know the answer but i'd certainly want to try targeting the parents before targeting a whole city because, like I said, a case can be made for the parents being responsible. Maybe... just maybe, these kids who care nothing for their own lives... care for their parents.
We could also wrap any islamic terrorist in a pig skin before we bury them. Make them an offense to the demon called allah.
J
So, if you have a child, and that child goes out and kills someone, they should put you on trial along with your child?
Sounds great!
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 8:51:53 AM
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Maybe your right, maybe not. I will say I'm more inclined to listen to those who are briefed daily on intelligence, much of which for security reasons cannot be divulged, than to armchair generals who are privy to none of it.
All I know is our intelligence sources were privy to over 600,000 real good reasons on why Iraq had nothing to do with our terrorist problem until we went over there and created one. That has nothing to do with my armchair or yours.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 9:57:22 AM
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Maybe your right, maybe not. I will say I'm more inclined to listen to those who are briefed daily on intelligence, much of which for security reasons cannot be divulged, than to armchair generals who are privy to none of it.
All I know is our intelligence sources were privy to over 600,000 real good reasons on why Iraq had nothing to do with our terrorist problem until we went over there and created one. That has nothing to do with my armchair or yours.
What does that even mean?.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 10:12:28 AM
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Maybe your right, maybe not. I will say I'm more inclined to listen to those who are briefed daily on intelligence, much of which for security reasons cannot be divulged, than to armchair generals who are privy to none of it.
All I know is our intelligence sources were privy to over 600,000 real good reasons on why Iraq had nothing to do with our terrorist problem until we went over there and created one. That has nothing to do with my armchair or yours.
What does that even mean?.
It means that the reasons for going to War in Iraq were fabricated.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 10:37:16 AM
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HisFish
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Maybe your right, maybe not. I will say I'm more inclined to listen to those who are briefed daily on intelligence, much of which for security reasons cannot be divulged, than to armchair generals who are privy to none of it.
All I know is our intelligence sources were privy to over 600,000 real good reasons on why Iraq had nothing to do with our terrorist problem until we went over there and created one. That has nothing to do with my armchair or yours.
What does that even mean?.
It means that the reasons for going to War in Iraq were fabricated.
That didn't answer my question. By the way there is a conspiracy theory folder you'll find company there.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 10:40:07 AM
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Maybe your right, maybe not. I will say I'm more inclined to listen to those who are briefed daily on intelligence, much of which for security reasons cannot be divulged, than to armchair generals who are privy to none of it.
All I know is our intelligence sources were privy to over 600,000 real good reasons on why Iraq had nothing to do with our terrorist problem until we went over there and created one. That has nothing to do with my armchair or yours.
What does that even mean?.
It means that the reasons for going to War in Iraq were fabricated.
That didn't answer my question. By the way there is a conspiracy theory folder you'll find company there.
Not conspiracy, fact. Check the War in Iraq thread if you want to see the facts.
The main one is that there were no "terrorists" in Iraq before we disrupted their infrastructure.
Also, Christians were a protected class in Iraq under Saddam. They are now having to flee for their lives.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 10:44:20 AM
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Maybe your right, maybe not. I will say I'm more inclined to listen to those who are briefed daily on intelligence, much of which for security reasons cannot be divulged, than to armchair generals who are privy to none of it.
All I know is our intelligence sources were privy to over 600,000 real good reasons on why Iraq had nothing to do with our terrorist problem until we went over there and created one. That has nothing to do with my armchair or yours.
What does that even mean?.
It means that the reasons for going to War in Iraq were fabricated.
That didn't answer my question. By the way there is a conspiracy theory folder you'll find company there.
Not conspiracy, fact. Check the War in Iraq thread if you want to see the facts.
The main one is that there were no "terrorists" in Iraq before we disrupted their infrastructure.
Also, Christians were a protected class in Iraq under Saddam. They are now having to flee for their lives.
Yeah, whatever. In any event we are off topic for this thread.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 12:53:04 PM
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I've seen on tv (the bane to liberals, FOX NEWS) parents who are (were) grooming their children to become suicide bombers, and they were proud of that. So you're right about parents being culpable. I was theorizing that when all(?) else fails, we would need to break their will to continue by overwhelming force. I would hope that it wouldn't come to that, but the terrorists don't seem to want anything but the death and destruction of anything not muslim. So, if it comes down to one of us has to die, him or me, I'm going to do everything in my power to assure that it isn't me. If that means using the most powerful weapons at my disposal, so be it.
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Hypothetically thinking out loud: If the idea is to stop terrorism by retaliation, I think the retaliatory act would need to be of such magnitude that it would break the will of the terrorists to continue the atrocities. Such measures might include nuclear bombs on major cities, as we did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If we went with conventional weapons, creating firestorms like those in London, Hamburg, Dresden, and several other cities during World War II would be effective. The sheer horror of such strikes, I think, would bring an end to a lot of the terrorism. Granted, many innocent lives would be lost, but how many will be lost if we allow this to continue? They kill a bunch of us, we kill a few of them. That's not going to get the job done.
Our military's idea of "surgical strikes" sound great and they look good on tv, but apparently they don't have much effect on the terrorists. Not many civilian casualties, but it doesn't deter the terrorists. The idea has to be to destroy the will of the enemy to fight. This very well may be a choice we have to make pretty soon.
Well, i'd certainly favor taking out the parents of terrorists to see how it works before nuking cities. I am convinced that the parents of these people are culpable. The society in the cultures where these terrorists come from is not like western culture where parents are shocked and dismayed by what their childern do. Most likely the parents are the ones who put the children on this track to begin with. The older generations in the middle east tolerate and actually promote hatred and murder. The parents should be running the people who teach hatred out of town, but they don't do they? What sort of parents send their children to a school where they are taught to hate?? I'm sorry if I seem to be a bit judgemental here but that is the way I see it. These kids didn't get to be killers on their own.
I don't know the answer but i'd certainly want to try targeting the parents before targeting a whole city because, like I said, a case can be made for the parents being responsible. Maybe... just maybe, these kids who care nothing for their own lives... care for their parents.
We could also wrap any islamic terrorist in a pig skin before we bury them. Make them an offense to the demon called allah.
J
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 1:04:29 PM
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Yeah, whatever. In any event we are off topic for this thread.
How so? Bush said it was a front in the war on terror. This is a thread about terrorism.
However let's chat about this so called war of rhetoric - er I mean terror.
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WASHINGTON — The United States can expect a terrorist attack using nuclear or more likely biological weapons before 2013, reports a bipartisan commission in a study being briefed Tuesday to Vice President-elect Joe Biden.
It suggests the Obama administration bolster efforts to counter and prepare for germ warfare by terrorists.
"Our margin of safety is shrinking, not growing," states the report, obtained by The Associated Press. It is scheduled to be publicly released Wednesday.
So after over 7 years of Patriot Acts, war in Afghanistan, war in Iraq, ridiculous driver's license laws, ludicrous passport rules, absurd rules for boarding airplanes (please put that tube of anthrax right here in the trash can where everyone can breathe it in and die....), waterboarding and on and on and so forth we AREN'T safer. Must be because Gitmo is closing or something. 
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 1:24:49 PM
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Yeah, whatever. In any event we are off topic for this thread.
How so? Bush said it was a front in the war on terror. This is a thread about terrorism.
No, it isn't about terrorism in general, go back and read the OP, it is specifically about killing the families of terrorists as a means of defeating the terrorists. I'm sure there is a "Bush is an evil liar" thread, perhaps you can go there and rehash your points ad infinitum.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 4:52:14 PM
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Thanks, jbow, for your honesty.
God bless,
Galadriel
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 5:04:42 PM
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Zamdad, I'm not so sure that the violent Islamists want to kill or convert people. I think they want the West out of the Muslim world. They are tired of people trying to democratize them. It isn't Biblical anyway - to try and democratize them. It is Biblical to expose them to Christ so He can save them. It is Biblical to insist that governments function how the Bible mandates - provide an environment for peace and godliness and punish evil-doers. We can act in mercy toward them, but beside that, it would be best if we would leave them alone. We would go along way to helping them understand us if we presented democratic ideals in terms of things that the Prophets and Apostles have said, but so much of the West hates Christ anymore that it is quite difficult to present democracy in terms of anything other than selfish ambition - which is what most of the West has degraded to anyway. It, of course, is in no way consistent with our Founders vision which placed a very high value on religion and its central role in a country.
It also seems like much can't be done on a military level. A military man of ancient China, Sun Tzu, writes with confidence in his little book 'The Art of War' that if you know yourself and your enemy you can with confidence win every engagement. The problem is that our governing elite dwells in darkness because they have rejected the light, Jesus Christ, and so they come into any situation in the dark. They have no genuine knowledge of themselves or their enemies and have no real insight into what is really going on. God is faithful though. He works all things together expressly for the benefit of His own people who He has incorporated into His dear Son. Whatever happens, it is for our benefit and for God's glory. As civilian Christians, again (I have posted this before as the other stuff), we can pray, we can witness, we can grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ....'To him who is able to do exceedingly, abundantly, above all we could ask or imagine...to him be the glory in the church' (I think I quoted that correctly. It is at the end of Ephesians chapter 3).
God bless,
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 5:19:14 PM
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Zamdad, I'm not so sure that the violent Islamists want to kill or convert people. I think they want the West out of the Muslim world. They are tired of people trying to democratize them. It isn't Biblical anyway - to try and democratize them.
This is true, to an extent, but we also can't ignore the extremism that happens in Europe and India- both historically non-Muslim areas that experience problems with radical Islam and don't go out of their way to pick fights with the Middle East.
Naturally, we shouldn't be generalizing about Islam by comments from random Imams and religious scholars that make it into the news, but I think it's difficult to be certain that getting out of the middle east and withdrawing support for Israel will stop the terrorist attacks.
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It is Biblical to expose them to Christ so He can save them. It is Biblical to insist that governments function how the Bible mandates - provide an environment for peace and godliness and punish evil-doers.
I get knocked for sometimes putting propositional logic and reason over scripture sometimes on these forums, but I think the thing we need most is a Middle-Eastern Enlightenment like we had from the 1600s-1800s in Europe. Christianity survived the enlightenment- and maybe even came out stronger for it, but I am not as sure that other religions would be able to. At the very least, the enlightenment also seems correlated with a decrease in violence among Christians. Perhaps the same could be done for other religions.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 5:27:50 PM
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Thanks, blessedinny, for the response. I am not much for strict rationalism. Not that I think faith is irrational. Faith is contrasted to sight, not to reason, in the Bible. I think the problem in the Muslim world is a problem of knowledge though - they don't know Christ. Since Colossians teaches that all wisdom and knowledge reside in Christ, people are in deep doodoo without Him. This is true of the vast array of unbelievers in the West as well.
God bless,
Galadriel
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 5:39:31 PM
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Its interesting, in response to some things put out by Davemiller and jbow about killing the parents of terrorists...its interesting, but are you guys aware of the fact that Usama bin Laden's oldest son has totally rejected the whole violent jihad thing and is somewhat on a crusade against it? Sometimes parents and kids can have very different views. I also think it is curious because this bin Laden offspring got his ideas about peace from somewhere. Where do you think?
God bless all abundantly,
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 5:41:01 PM
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Thanks, blessedinny, for the response. I am not much for strict rationalism. Not that I think faith is irrational. Faith is contrasted to sight, not to reason, in the Bible. I think the problem in the Muslim world is a problem of knowledge though - they don't know Christ. Since Colossians teaches that all wisdom and knowledge reside in Christ, people are in deep doodoo without Him. This is true of the vast array of unbelievers in the West as well.
God bless,
Galadriel
I agree, but the problem is that Muslims and Christians don't have a common language for us to introduce Christ to them in. If we start sharing Biblical verses, it will sound not much different to them like someone quoting the Koran would sound to us. So the first thing we need, IMHO, is a common language. Reason- and the principles of the Enlightenment- give us that language; the only problem is that Middle Eastern countries have to be willing and able to speak that language.
I am not for strict rationalism either, but if there is uncertainty about something (like whether Christians really got Jesus wrong and he was just a prophet), a combination of rationalism and scripture are usually the best tools for resolving that uncertainty.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 5:52:25 PM
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As far as not knowing who to kill, it does pose a problem when terrorists hide among civilians dressed as them - but they also are civilians themselves. There are quite a few terrorist training camps that our government knows about and refuses to target though. I read this in Michael Scheuer's latest book. We don't bomb them because we are afraid it will interfere with 'diplomacy'. So as far as targeting terrorists, we could start with the camps - instead of wedding parties in Waziristan. What a burr in Pres. Bush's butt - that they out-sourced capturing Usama bin Laden to locals and the locals helped him escape. That's what happens when you start making up new categories of people other than what the Bible has. Government is government, civilian is civilian, and it is best to keep each one doing what it is designed to do - not mixing them up or making new categories of people so that you can apply arbitrary rules to them - legal lawlessness, so to speak - as in the case of Gitmo enemy combatants and civilians acting as military as in the Blackwater case.
God bless,
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 6:12:17 PM
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What I was trying to say, iknownothing, when I said that I don't have a problem envisioning Christ decimating the whole world - is because the Bible pictures Him as this when He comes as Judge to assume His rightful reign over this devil's playground that we call earth. The Lord doesn't go around picking off the relatives of murderers. We can't apply the behavior of ancient, theocratic Israel towards the Canaanites when it entered the land to the contemporary situation. When He returns as Judge and global King, then He will kill a lot of people who are gathered against Him to fight. During the tribulation many, many people will die as a result of God's judgments - even the elect. I don't have a problem envisioning Christ doing this because the picture and timing of the event is provided for us in the word. There is no picture of Christ killing the relatives of murderers. Even the OT law and Prophets (esp. Ezekiel) require only that a person die for his own sin, not the sins of another. As in the case of Ezekiel, though, if he didn't warn the people of the consequences of their sin when he had been called by God to do so, God told him that their blood would be on his hands. This is why Paul warned Timothy that he had to divide the word of God correctly. Applying what Israel did to the Canaanites isn't dividing the word correctly, nor is applying the judicial aspect of the OT law of theocratic Israel to modern situations a good application of the word. It is best to look at what they word tells secular governments to do if you want to know what secular governments should do. How easy is that? We know what civilians should do too - believe on Christ and obey Him. How hard is that?
God bless,
Galadriel
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/2/2008 6:18:14 PM
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cow451
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ORIGINAL: galadriel2
As far as not knowing who to kill, it does pose a problem when terrorists hide among civilians dressed as them - but they also are civilians themselves. There are quite a few terrorist training camps that our government knows about and refuses to target though. I read this in Michael Scheuer's latest book. We don't bomb them because we are afraid it will interfere with 'diplomacy'. So as far as targeting terrorists, we could start with the camps - instead of wedding parties in Waziristan. What a burr in Pres. Bush's butt - that they out-sourced capturing Usama bin Laden to locals and the locals helped him escape. That's what happens when you start making up new categories of people other than what the Bible has. Government is government, civilian is civilian, and it is best to keep each one doing what it is designed to do - not mixing them up or making new categories of people so that you can apply arbitrary rules to them - legal lawlessness, so to speak - as in the case of Gitmo enemy combatants and civilians acting as military as in the Blackwater case.
God bless,
Galadriel
I agree about creating "arbitrary" categories. But we in the West have to appreciate (look at the reasoning) the Middle Eastern societies (notice the plural) rather than expecting them to understand our logic and trust our intentions (which are not consistently honorable). Both Petraeus and Gates have been pointing out that military efforts have limitations and liabilities. Ultimately diplomacy has to play a stronger role and we have to let people govern themselves.
The "Israel right or wrong" policy is not cutting it. We tell the Palestinians to have elections, then we complain when they don't elect the people we want.
And, the fuel that drives terrorism is not religion as much as poverty. Bin Laden was wealthy, but his followers were recruited mostly from the poor and powerless. You don't see any sheiks blowing themselves up (and you won't see Bin Laden doing that, either).
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