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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/30/2008 11:09:05 AM
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iknownothing
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...jbow...I have a hard time envisioning Christ going around killing terrorists' families. Isn't He like suppose to be our example? I don't really have a problem with envisioning Him decimating the entire planet, though, or shaking the 'heavens and the earth'. 
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Well, when I see the evil committed by these evil, violent, sub-humans (I refuse to refer to the terrorists as "animals", as I think that would be an insult to animals) all over the globe, I don't have any problem envisioning Christ doing this. Not in the least. Jesus is God incarnated in the flesh, and God had no problem ordering the Old Testament Israelites occupy the land and kill the Canaanites they were conquering, down to the last man, woman, and child.
Just a side note: I was reading in National Review about how a lot of peacenik smart-alecks have lately been going around with bumper stickers that say "Who Would Jesus Bomb?" The writer opined that this bumper sticker is a double whammy because not only does it make a peacenik message, but it mocks the Christian saying "What would Jesus do?" This writer then wrote that he doubts that anyone would go around with a bumper stick that reads "Who Would Mohammed Bomb?"
I know the writer was kidding, but I think that is a brilliant idea. Maybe Christians who have courage should start doing that. But my variation of the bumper sticker would say, "Forget Jesus....(in small letters), Who would Mohammed Bomb? (in big letters going the length of the bumper sticker), Whoops, Never Mind..." (in small letters again, but below the big letters).
Now since I am a dispensationalist, I realize that the Old Testament was written for a different time and for a different people. But at the same time, I know that God does not change that much. And just like then, God burns with righteous anger when mass killing and violence goes unanswered.
Maybe we should be open to the possibility that when western governments react to these events with such passivity, instead of God being pleased with that reaction, He instead is enraged by governments not carrying out His mandate to wield the sword of justice.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/30/2008 1:39:41 PM
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Well, when I see the evil committed by these evil, violent, sub-humans (I refuse to refer to the terrorists as "animals", as I think that would be an insult to animals) all over the globe, I don't have any problem envisioning Christ doing this. Not in the least. Jesus is God incarnated in the flesh, and God had no problem ordering the Old Testament Israelites occupy the land and kill the Canaanites they were conquering, down to the last man, woman, and child.
So apparently, you are so angry at these terrorists that you would have us target innocent people as a form of retribution.
Jesus and God do get angry, but they never get angry enough to violate God's laws. WE are specifically instructed by the law that family members are not to be put to death for sins of other family members. (God does take a few rare exceptions, but these are exceptions that are specifically mandated by God.) This was one of the things that makes the Law of Moses a moral law while the Code of Hammurabi isn't.
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Maybe we should be open to the possibility that when western governments react to these events with such passivity, instead of God being pleased with that reaction, He instead is enraged by governments not carrying out His mandate to wield the sword of justice.
Our governments do wield the sword of justice, and we do go out and bring the terrorists justice. Shall we bring their families injustice?
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 1:07:16 AM
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...and it's their duty, as they die and they see their families die as collateral damage from American tactics, that it's not America's fault, it's the terrorists the Americans are shooting at. It's those guys' fault.
American tactics as a whole attempt to deter collateral damage while a terrorist prime target is generally "collateral damage"... US soldiers operate under rules of engagement that generally put them in harms way for the sake of lowering the probably of collateral damage while the other side makes a point disregarding life in across the board... Folks whose standard operating procedure is to kill "innocents" and hide in the general populace bear the brunt of responsibility for collateral damage.
I don't think you understand. The technology of killing is not yet at a point where a party can wage a war and avoid civilian casualties. Given that they are inevitable, regardless of how hard we try to minimize them, tragedies will happen and, because we're the ones with the big guns and bombs and the excellent tech, we will be blamed for them. It's much easier for someone outside a warzone to forgive the deaths of civilians. The remnants of a shattered family or a bombed home or business don't have that luxury, and I think it's a mistake to assume that they do.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 1:24:33 AM
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No, terrorism happens for a myriad of reasons, with a myriad of motivating factors, and frequently the terrorists have, surprisingly enough, actual grievances that it may be in civilization's best interest to at least look at.
terrorism removes all ground for addressing of greivances. Once terrorism is involved the only proper response is to kill those involved. No quarter should be given and none asked, for none will be given. It is simplistic to think otherwise.
Uh, no, I think simplicity assuredly lies with any "my way or the highway" dichotomous approach to policy.
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No, I am not comparing myself to God, but I am saying that doing what is necessary to eliminate an enemy is not, it itself, evil.
The end justifies the means? I'm not sure how well that will go over here. I actually tend to agree that the end does justify the means in many cases, but I think a critical appraisal of the strategy of targeting innocent families will show absolutely nothing desirable in its fruits. The foreseeable end is the U.S. justifiably being derided as a monster by any of its own citizens in possession of a shred of morality, not to mention the rest of the world, while creating a massive number of new enemies.
I think your "kill their families" strategy is pretty simplistic, poorly thought out, and along with genocide and the maiming of children, the product of the worst impulses in humanity.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 3:23:17 AM
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but I think that is a brilliant idea. Maybe Christians who have courage should start doing that. But my variation of the bumper sticker would say, "Forget Jesus....(in small letters), Who would Mohammed Bomb? (in big letters going the length of the bumper sticker), Whoops, Never Mind..." (in small letters again, but below the big letters).
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Maybe we should be open to the possibility that when western governments react to these events with such passivity, instead of God being pleased with that reaction, He instead is enraged by governments not carrying out His mandate to wield the sword of justice.
Iknownothing, not a good name considering this post. I think you are actuallty on to something here. Afterall, the war on terrorism is about ideology. When you get down to brass tacks, it's about Christianity and the God of Israel vs. Mohammed and Allah. In all of the threads on war vs pacifism that have been brought about in these forums, far too many posters seem to think that they have the answer as to exactly what God's will is. Who are we to question God? How can our views of the US government, Israel's government or any other government be determined to be God's will? Who's to say that God does not tell GW Bush which way to go with decisions he has to make? For far too many here it seems that we are one day older than God and twice as smart.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 9:30:27 AM
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The answer to terrorism?
-Rally the nation's resolve with inspiring rhetoric
-Build a coalition of like-minded countries twilling to take the fight to the terrorists instead of waiting for them to strike again.
-Endure childish, immature and dishonest accusations from your political enemies who are trying to subvert your efforts and divide the country, with the full participation of the media. But don't endure them silently. Answer their accusations back forcefully and call them on their dishonesty (if only!)
-Turn the fight over to a strong leader who will continue the fight (again, if only!)
Unfortunately President Bush stopped after the first step.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 9:32:26 AM
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They need to figure out exactly who did it and wage a poorly planned war against some nation that had nothing to do with it.
LOL, sometimes you are too much!
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 9:37:03 AM
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Please name one legitimate reason why a terrorist would attack our nation.
Legitimacy is in the eye of the beholder.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 9:46:43 AM
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No, terrorism happens for a myriad of reasons, with a myriad of motivating factors, and frequently the terrorists have, surprisingly enough, actual grievances that it may be in civilization's best interest to at least look at.
terrorism removes all ground for addressing of greivances. Once terrorism is involved the only proper response is to kill those involved. No quarter should be given and none asked, for none will be given. It is simplistic to think otherwise.
Uh, no, I think simplicity assuredly lies with any "my way or the highway" dichotomous approach to policy.
Actually, upon reflecting further, you're a massive hypocrite, jbow. You believe that beyond the "only proper response" of killing those involved (of which you say it is "simplistic to think otherwise"), we should apparently be selling our souls and slaughtering innocent families as well.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 10:46:10 AM
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I think it behooves you, LoyalGypsy, to become familiar with what this thread is about and exactly what kind of atrocities have been proposed.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 11:47:33 AM
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Then the innocent families should not be harboring terrorists; and when it is known that trouble is coming then one would think that if they were innocent...then to avoid such a tragedy they should just simply move out of the way ...
I agree. However, the debate isn't about whether we should attack terrorists when they are with their families. The question is whether we should bomb Osama Bin Ladin's family in Saudi Arabia when they haven't committed any crimes and Osama is hiding in Pakistan.
Again, the last time a Western government did something like this- singling out innocent people and killing them because of their genes- was during the Holocaust.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 11:56:22 AM
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I think it behooves you, LoyalGypsy, to become familiar with what this thread is about and exactly what kind of atrocities have been proposed.
You should do the same huangshan...
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No, not a joke... just a bad idea. I was just frustrated and angry.
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governments can attack civilians. I don't think that they should as a general course of action... but neither do I think it should be always off the table. It should be the last course of action...
However, I stand by this:
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Whatever...
terrorism removes all ground for addressing of greivances. Once terrorism is involved the only proper response is to kill those involved. No quarter should be given and none asked, for none will be given. It is simplistic to think otherwise.
Terrorists should NEVER be negotiated with. Once they commit an act of terror they should be hunted and killed. Most of them have demands that cannot and will not be met in any case.
You realize, I am sure, that there is a difference between the Church and the state and that the Church these days has no power over the affairs of state and that all of this is just opinion. Neither of us would go and kill family members of some enemy. We both would be troubled by such a policy and I am sure, I hope, that we are both troubled by terrorism and murder of tourists.... just because they are western. I don't have a good answer but I do hate it. I don't hate the terrorists, I hate the evil ones who so deceive people into believing that murder is righteous.
You have to understand that I am not advocating any policy or the other. I am just speaking about possibitities, About the way things have been handled in the past. I hope we do not go down such a road but sometimes when people are pushed hard enough they do crazy things. Islamic terrorists do not want compromise, they want concession. It is useless to talk to them because they have demands that cannot and will not be met... so they kill and we kill... It is not something that can go on and on the way it is going.
As a Christian, I will pray and I will give. I will do my part to get Bibles into the hands of people who need them. It's all I can do.
I get frustrated and mad when I hear of senseless murder, murder of people not because of something they have done but because of who they are. If a group of people continues to kill others because of who they are... at some point they will need to be taken out so that others can live in security. If a people are angry at the government of some other country they need to fight against that countries government or it's military... not against women and children. They are the ones who take this fight to that level and so far we have stayed above that. I hope that we always will. I don't want our country to sink to the level of people who are as evil as islamists. However, people need to know with whom they are associating and know that they endanger themselves by association. I hope we, and other governments, will reach out and touch whoever we find was involved in this incident in India last week. When we find where they came from, where they were trained, who supplied them... we should send some missles to them. Anyone there should know that by being there... they invite death. Do I realy think that we should hunt and kill their family... no. I think I said early on that was a bad idea, that I was just mad when I said it...
So, you go and take your own advice and familiarize yourself with this thread.
Julien
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 12:08:20 PM
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You realize, I am sure, that there is a difference between the Church and the state and that the Church these days has no power over the affairs of state and that all of this is just opinion.
Then you fully agree that abortion should be employed as a means of population control? It is certainly a very practical way of doing so if some mothers do not want their children.
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Neither of us would go and kill family members of some enemy. We both would be troubled by such a policy and I am sure, I hope, that we are both troubled by terrorism and murder of tourists.... just because they are western. I don't have a good answer but I do hate it. I don't hate the terrorists, I hate the evil ones who so deceive people into believing that murder is righteous.
You have to understand that I am not advocating any policy or the other. I am just speaking about possibitities, About the way things have been handled in the past. I hope we do not go down such a road but sometimes when people are pushed hard enough they do crazy things. Islamic terrorists do not want compromise, they want concession. It is useless to talk to them because they have demands that cannot and will not be met... so they kill and we kill... It is not something that can go on and on the way it is going.
Well, there are a lot of possibilities. We'd probably have a better political debate if it were illegal to discuss hell in the context of politics. If we arrested gloomy economists, the markets would go up. But all of these decisions are both bad for the long-term and are unsound from the perspective of deontological ethics.
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I get frustrated and mad when I hear of senseless murder, murder of people not because of something they have done but because of who they are. If a group of people continues to kill others because of who they are... at some point they will need to be taken out so that others can live in security.
This is something that I believe many people consider- at least in their private thoughts about how to enhance the greater good- and I believe China wil be eventually forced to do this. The US and Europe are not the only countries that are targets of religious extremist terror; China has its own problems with radical Islam, and it may deal with things in a way that you are suggesting.
The thing, though, is that we must always check our thoughts about what is "best" with what is right. In any case, what is right is almost always best for the long-term. If you acknowledge that there is a such thing as blowback- as what happened with the fall of the Shah of Iran or with Castro in Cuba, then it is in our interest to try and be as fair as we can. That means that we shouldn't deliberately try to kill innocent people.
Killing their families is not a deterrent. Killing their neighors isn't a deterrent. Killing everyone in their community is not a deterrent. These people are so angry and vengeful that they cannot think about the consequences of their actions, no matter how terrible. Let us not become as angry and vengeful as them, ourselves.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 1:05:56 PM
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I am watching the news of terrorism in India right now. 80 dead hundreds wounded... (the death toll went up to 90 as I typed this), they are targeting westerners. Most of these people do not care about their life, they think they will be rewarded for killing 'infidels'... but they do care about their parents, their children, and their siblings. Sometimes a homicide bomber's family will get a check. I think Hussein was doing that with palestinians... but we don't have to worry about him or his thug kids anymore.
So... would I be a bad person if I suggested that whenever a terrorist is killed or caught and identified that their whole family be killed? That may sound cold but it would save lives. If a person were considering making a terrorist attack and they knew that by their actions they would be sentencing their whole family to death... they might reconsider. I think terrorism would become a thing of the past.
I realize that sounds harsh and it is harsh but this world is not fair and sometimes the innocent suffer.
What would Darius do? What would Andy Jackson do?
We have become soft and that is why terrorism is the problem that it is.
This is just my opinion and it may change tomorrow, feel free to disagree... and don't worry, i'm not likely to become king anytime soon.... but buddy, if I did...
J
I don't think fighting terrorism with terrorism is the answer. To be honest, I do not know what the answer is. However, I do not think it is OK to kill the family members of the terrorists to get a point across.
Terrorists (for this post, Islamic terrorists) don't usually respond to logic and reason. Honestly, I do not think any amount of logic and reason will convict their souls and make them think twice about blowing people and places up.
Innocent people do get killed in war. It's a sad, but true and undeniable reality. If you were a terrorist and considered blowing up some place, would it really change your mind if you knew your entire family was going to be killed? But would a terrorist think the same way you and I do?
For "regular" (for a lack of a better term) it probably would be. If my parents were to be killed if I did something, I know I would avoid doing that something at all costs! But I seriously doubt the terrorists would have that mentality. They have been trained from early childhood to fight for their "cause" at all costs, even to the death. I am NOT saying that makes terrorism right, please do not misquote or misinterpret me on that. They have a different, sickening and twisted mentality.
I can only imagine if I were a terrorist and my family was killed in an attempt to stop me from comitting my terroristic acts. I don't think that would deter me. I think would enrage and make want to terrorize even more than before. So I go and kill even more people than I had orginally "planned". Since I am not a terrorist or an expert on the subject, I am just thinking that would be how I would react if I were in that situation.
I hope all of that makes sense. You are right when you say this world is unfair and the innocent sometimes suffer. But if the suffering of the innocent can be prevented, it should. I'm glad God does not hold us accountable for the sins of our family!
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"The only "innocent" life He ever took was His own...
I love that response SovereignIsHe!!!!
I think the only way terrorism will ever be stopped completely is when Christ comes again.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 1:23:06 PM
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For "regular" (for a lack of a better term) it probably would be. If my parents were to be killed if I did something, I know I would avoid doing that something at all costs! But I seriously doubt the terrorists would have that mentality.
I think you might be surprised about that. I think that they do care about their parents being killed. Having said that I must again say that upon further reflection, I don't think that it would be the right course of action to take, to kill parents of terrorists, not at this point in history anyway. I do think that the parents are just as responsible for the terrorism and murder as the actual terrorists are. The young terrorist does not enroll in the school that teaches hate without their parents knowledge and consent. In most cases of homicide bombers we find that the parents were aware and approved of it. At least that is what i think from the reporst I have seen.
I am with you in not knowing the answer and I am thankful that I do not have the responsibility of having to know the answer. We have leaders whose responsibility it is to figure out the answer. Our responsibility is to love our neighbor and pray for our leaders. This is something tha I can do. I am not a leader nor am I a soldier however, I support both and offer them my respect. I don't always agree with their decisions but I will trust God.
Some people like to twist words and project ideas onto other people. So I will one more time try to be clear... in my OP, I was angry and frustrated. Not offering an idea of what I think that we should do, I don't think that we should kill families. It has been done in the past and worked well. I hope it does not happen again. I don't know the answer.
J
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 2:17:59 PM
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Our military has the firepower. The problem is that we don't know who needs stomping; and when we do know who, we have trouble finding them and fighting them. What we need is a better intelligence service and better diplomacy.
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You are partly right, Dan.
We DO have the firepower......no DOUBT.....our Navy is AWESOME.
And we DO know who needs stomping.
The problem is, our panty waist Joint Chiefs and politicians are scared to DEATH that we might kill some innocent people in order to neutralize our enemies.
NO WAR can be won without collateral damage (killing innocent people).
It is a sad reality, but necessary if we are to remain a sovereign nation and retain our military advantage.
EDIT: I just had an afterthought.....
If we don't DESTROY them over there, our next battle will be on US soil....and you can take that to the bank.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 2:31:07 PM
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You are partly right, Dan.
We DO have the firepower......no DOUBT.....our Navy is AWESOME.
And we DO know who needs stomping.
The problem is, our panty waist Joint Chiefs and politicians are scared to DEATH that we might kill some innocent people in order to neutralize our enemies.
NO WAR can be won without collateral damage (killing innocent people).
It is a sad reality, but necessary if we are to remain a sovereign nation and retain our military advantage.
EDIT: I just had an afterthought.....
If we don't DESTROY them over there, our next battle will be on US soil....and you can take that to the bank.
The same ones who sent barely more than a tithe of what was needed to fight Iraq? If they were so reserved and stingy with what we sent to the two theatres we were in is there really any chance that we could have accomplished anything more?
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 2:57:29 PM
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EDIT: I just had an afterthought.....
If we don't DESTROY them over there, our next battle will be on US soil....and you can take that to the bank.
Jim, that was one of the reasons used to justify our efforts in Vietnam.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 3:14:30 PM
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Hypothetically thinking out loud: If the idea is to stop terrorism by retaliation, I think the retaliatory act would need to be of such magnitude that it would break the will of the terrorists to continue the atrocities. Such measures might include nuclear bombs on major cities, as we did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If we went with conventional weapons, creating firestorms like those in London, Hamburg, Dresden, and several other cities during World War II would be effective. The sheer horror of such strikes, I think, would bring an end to a lot of the terrorism. Granted, many innocent lives would be lost, but how many will be lost if we allow this to continue? They kill a bunch of us, we kill a few of them. That's not going to get the job done.
Our military's idea of "surgical strikes" sound great and they look good on tv, but apparently they don't have much effect on the terrorists. Not many civilian casualties, but it doesn't deter the terrorists. The idea has to be to destroy the will of the enemy to fight. This very well may be a choice we have to make pretty soon.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 3:49:39 PM
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Hypothetically thinking out loud: If the idea is to stop terrorism by retaliation, I think the retaliatory act would need to be of such magnitude that it would break the will of the terrorists to continue the atrocities. Such measures might include nuclear bombs on major cities, as we did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If we went with conventional weapons, creating firestorms like those in London, Hamburg, Dresden, and several other cities during World War II would be effective. The sheer horror of such strikes, I think, would bring an end to a lot of the terrorism. Granted, many innocent lives would be lost, but how many will be lost if we allow this to continue? They kill a bunch of us, we kill a few of them. That's not going to get the job done.
Our military's idea of "surgical strikes" sound great and they look good on tv, but apparently they don't have much effect on the terrorists. Not many civilian casualties, but it doesn't deter the terrorists. The idea has to be to destroy the will of the enemy to fight. This very well may be a choice we have to make pretty soon.
"Nuclear Winter" might make us more grateful for the way things are today.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 4:01:45 PM
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WormHeart
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Hypothetically thinking out loud: If the idea is to stop terrorism by retaliation, I think the retaliatory act would need to be of such magnitude that it would break the will of the terrorists to continue the atrocities. Such measures might include nuclear bombs on major cities, as we did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If we went with conventional weapons, creating firestorms like those in London, Hamburg, Dresden, and several other cities during World War II would be effective. The sheer horror of such strikes, I think, would bring an end to a lot of the terrorism.
You think?
9/11 didn't weaken the will of the US, did it?
Should Al Quada manage a nuclear strike against L.A., would you surrender?
I'm afraid that doesn't work.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 4:19:04 PM
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davemiller7
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9/11, though horrific, was nothing compared to the devastation wreaked upon the cities I mentioned. Al Quaeda striking LA with nukes? I don't think they can. If they did, their abilities would be severely limited. They simply don't have our resources. Therefore, we could retaliate many times to their once.
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ORIGINAL: WormHeart
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Hypothetically thinking out loud: If the idea is to stop terrorism by retaliation, I think the retaliatory act would need to be of such magnitude that it would break the will of the terrorists to continue the atrocities. Such measures might include nuclear bombs on major cities, as we did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If we went with conventional weapons, creating firestorms like those in London, Hamburg, Dresden, and several other cities during World War II would be effective. The sheer horror of such strikes, I think, would bring an end to a lot of the terrorism.
You think?
9/11 didn't weaken the will of the US, did it?
Should Al Quada manage a nuclear strike against L.A., would you surrender?
I'm afraid that doesn't work.
WormHeart
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 12/1/2008 5:09:28 PM
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blessedinnyc
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"Nuclear Winter" might make us more grateful for the way things are today.
Actually, "Nuclear Winter" would have the terrorists partying at the defeat of the "Great Satan". They would see it as a wonderful reward for their hard work at killing innocent civilians.
So fine- go ahead and make the terrorists happy. Such a self-defeat would bring them more joy than the US accepting Sharia law.
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