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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/3/2008 8:26:58 AM
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SonInMe1
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How could liberalism NOT be Christian?
Let me count the ways...nah, its been gone over so many times and rejected by leftists its not worth anyone's time.
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After all, wasn't it Jesus who taught Mary
I have never heard of that scripture put in this context before. If this is the Mary Martha reference, Jesus just used what was happening as a way to describe an ideal. Neither Mary or Martha were in "student mode ".
A stretch....and would conservatism, as it exists today deny women education? This proves nothing.
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Wasn't it Jesus who healed on the Sabbath even though He knew He'd get a lot of flack for it?
I see now. You are equating the pharesees with conservatism. You do know the pharesees perverted the Law to suit their own means...kinda sounds like the liberal supreme court rulings of today.
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By the very definition of the word, these were liberal acts.
How was Christ deemed perfect? By the Law. Very specific, age old traditions. Not what the pharesees took and perverted. The actual law. Any deviance from that was explained, as what the true law was.
Jesus did not change the Law, as a liberal would today, often for their own power, Jesus fulfilled the Law. He made it complete. Nothing liberal in that.
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today's conservatives seem to act a lot more like the pharisees than they act like Jesus.
100% incorrect. Your first mistake is....I don't know many true public conservatives. Secondly you don't understand what Jesus accomplished since CHANGE was not His God. You do know..God didn;t change...right? What was messed up was people..not God. If anything God is the ultimate conservative.
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and it is not a very humble opinion to assume voting for Obama shows "immaturity and a lack of biblical knowledge."
It is dead on biblically accurate. Its unimaginable that a christian, who holds life dear, can vote for the most pro-abortion candidate..ever. That..is a deal breaker esspecially since there was a viable alternative.
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that people who are rich with God's anointing
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I think we have to take his faith testimony at face value
From Obama's own mouth he denies Christ as the only way to heaven. That....is a deal breaker. Its here in the election folder under an interview he did. His...own...words.
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/3/2008 9:10:17 AM
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Hmmmm. And yet no one has managed to answer me. Seems like par for the course.
Actually, the answer to this is quite simple; true Christian charity is a product of love and free will, giving to others in an effort to consider their interests above one's own.
Liberalism is the forced transfer of wealth (or power) from one group in the guise of helping another group, ultimately culminating in an increase in the size and power of the state.
Vive la différence.
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/3/2008 5:09:32 PM
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How could liberalism NOT be Christian?
Let me count the ways...nah, its been gone over so many times and rejected by leftists its not worth anyone's time.
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After all, wasn't it Jesus who taught Mary
I have never heard of that scripture put in this context before. If this is the Mary Martha reference, Jesus just used what was happening as a way to describe an ideal. Neither Mary or Martha were in "student mode ".
Jesus was preaching the Gospel while Mary sat at His feet. So yes. She was in "student mode" as you put it. This is what Jesus refused to take away from her. But please, don't take my word for it. You can find this in Matthew Henry's commentary on the passage. Luke 10:38-42
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A stretch....and would conservatism, as it exists today deny women education? This proves nothing.
It's not a stretch at all. Women are simply being denied other things in place of education. You have heard of the move against equal pay for equal work, right? John McCain is quite happy to continue paying women less simply because they are women.
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Wasn't it Jesus who healed on the Sabbath even though He knew He'd get a lot of flack for it?
I see now. You are equating the pharesees with conservatism. You do know the pharesees perverted the Law to suit their own means...kinda sounds like the liberal supreme court rulings of today.
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By the very definition of the word, these were liberal acts.
How was Christ deemed perfect? By the Law. Very specific, age old traditions. Not what the pharesees took and perverted. The actual law. Any deviance from that was explained, as what the true law was.
Jesus did not change the Law, as a liberal would today, often for their own power, Jesus fulfilled the Law. He made it complete. Nothing liberal in that.
Not all liberals change the law. And they don't have the market on law changing cornered, either.
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today's conservatives seem to act a lot more like the pharisees than they act like Jesus.
100% incorrect. Your first mistake is....I don't know many true public conservatives. Secondly you don't understand what Jesus accomplished since CHANGE was not His God. You do know..God didn;t change...right? What was messed up was people..not God. If anything God is the ultimate conservative.
You err in assuming that CHANGE is the god of anyone who voted for Obama. That's absurd on quite a few levels.
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and it is not a very humble opinion to assume voting for Obama shows "immaturity and a lack of biblical knowledge."
It is dead on biblically accurate.
According to you who just admitted that you're unfamiliar with the context of the Mary/Martha passage. It is more than safe to say that you aren't qualified to make this statement with any sort of veracity.
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Its unimaginable that a christian, who holds life dear, can vote for the most pro-abortion candidate..ever. That..is a deal breaker esspecially since there was a viable alternative.
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that people who are rich with God's anointing
...and severly decieved.
The rest is simply your opinion which is based, as you've already stated, on an incomplete knowledge of scriptures.
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/3/2008 5:18:08 PM
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Hmmmm. And yet no one has managed to answer me. Seems like par for the course.
Actually, the answer to this is quite simple; true Christian charity is a product of love and free will, giving to others in an effort to consider their interests above one's own.
Liberalism is the forced transfer of wealth (or power) from one group in the guise of helping another group, ultimately culminating in an increase in the size and power of the state.
Vive la différence.
And how exactly can liberals force the transfer of wealth? Taxes, you say? I'm sure that works so well with the gazillion loop holes available to allow people to not pay taxes. That's before you factor in all the offshore tax shelters. Wealth and power aren't as easy to transfer as you suppose.
Even if they were, why aren't we as Christians more accepting of it anyway. After all, the Word does say that to whom much is given much will be required.
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/3/2008 5:18:47 PM
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Liberal women love abortion, ergo, they tend to get weak in the knees over The One, who has made no secret of the fact he's declaring complete and utter war on the unborn with his signing of FOCA on 20 January 2009.
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/3/2008 5:32:40 PM
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Even if they were, why aren't we as Christians more accepting of it anyway.
Because it's theft.
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/3/2008 6:53:13 PM
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Jhud
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And how exactly can liberals force the transfer of wealth? Taxes, you say? I'm sure that works so well with the gazillion loop holes available to allow people to not pay taxes. That's before you factor in all the offshore tax shelters. Wealth and power aren't as easy to transfer as you suppose.
I never said it was easy; I just said we shouldn't confuse it with Christian charity, for which there are no loopholes, as Ananias and Saphira discovered much too late.
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Even if they were, why aren't we as Christians more accepting of it anyway. After all, the Word does say that to whom much is given much will be required.
Well my simple point was we shouldn't confuse required taxation going to large federal bureaucracies with the charity that is expected of Christians. That Scripture is an indication of what is required by God, not the state (though of course we are obligated to pay taxes as well).
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/3/2008 8:36:10 PM
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And how exactly can liberals force the transfer of wealth? Taxes, you say? I'm sure that works so well with the gazillion loop holes available to allow people to not pay taxes. That's before you factor in all the offshore tax shelters. Wealth and power aren't as easy to transfer as you suppose.
I never said it was easy; I just said we shouldn't confuse it with Christian charity, for which there are no loopholes, as Ananias and Saphira discovered much too late.
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Even if they were, why aren't we as Christians more accepting of it anyway. After all, the Word does say that to whom much is given much will be required.
Well my simple point was we shouldn't confuse required taxation going to large federal bureaucracies with the charity that is expected of Christians. That Scripture is an indication of what is required by God, not the state (though of course we are obligated to pay taxes as well).
So you're saying that brotherly love is incompatible with a just state?
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/3/2008 9:55:29 PM
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Jhud
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So you're saying that brotherly love is incompatible with a just state?
No, I am saying neither love nor charity can be compelled by the state, nor are large Federal bureaucracies equal to 'justice'.
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/4/2008 8:06:04 AM
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SonInMe1
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Jesus was preaching the Gospel while Mary sat at His feet.
The...bible says, she sat at His feet listening. I don't se the student mode..and forgot any relevence a student mode would have.
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Women are simply being denied other things in place of education.
Like what? I see the opposite..accomidating women in jobs they cannot do. I have seen this numerous times in differing jobs. I see no great prejudice against women in the work place.
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John McCain is quite happy to continue paying women less simply because they are women.
Prove it.
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You err in assuming that CHANGE is the god of anyone who voted for Obama. That's absurd on quite a few levels.
C'mon. Obama was elected because of change. His skin color. Him not being Bush. It was all about change. He is the first true liberal voted into office in many many years...if ever since the left has drifted more and more left in the last 30 years.
What is absurd is christians voting for Obama. That boggles my mind.
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According to you who just admitted that you're unfamiliar with the context of the Mary/Martha passage.
I am very familiar with what the bible says. I am not familiar with your "version". A version that reads so much into a simple statement that Mary listened that it borders on pure perversion.
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The rest is simply your opinion which is based, as you've already stated, on an incomplete knowledge of scriptures.
Once again, the liberal tactic of calling a conservative stupid. I should learn and not respond but....I guess thats not me.
Any further response from me would break the terms of service...
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/4/2008 9:06:21 AM
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huangshan
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So you're saying that brotherly love is incompatible with a just state?
No, I am saying neither love nor charity can be compelled by the state, nor are large Federal bureaucracies equal to 'justice'.
Fair enough to the former.
But, do you think a large federal bureaucracy is an intention or an externality? Could a bureaucracy conceivably be a byproduct of a just state?
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/4/2008 9:10:35 AM
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But, do you think a large federal bureaucracy is an intention or an externality? Could a bureaucracy conceivably be a byproduct of a just state?
I think bureaucracies are the inevitable result of concentrations of large amounts of wealth by the state, and because they are self-perpetuating and self-interested entities, they inevitably grow, and only by extreme measures are reduced once put in place.
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/4/2008 9:11:28 AM
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You err in assuming that CHANGE is the god of anyone who voted for Obama. That's absurd on quite a few levels.
C'mon. Obama was elected because of change. His skin color. Him not being Bush. It was all about change. He is the first true liberal voted into office in many many years...if ever since the left has drifted more and more left in the last 30 years.
So, if "change" is the god of the people who voted for Obama, is "more of the same" the god of those who voted for McCain?
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/4/2008 9:16:43 AM
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huangshan
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But, do you think a large federal bureaucracy is an intention or an externality? Could a bureaucracy conceivably be a byproduct of a just state?
I think bureaucracies are the inevitable result of concentrations of large amounts of wealth by the state, and because they are self-perpetuating and self-interested entities, they inevitably grow, and only by extreme measures are reduced once put in place.
Okay, but that answer doesn't intersect with either of my questions.
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/4/2008 9:22:30 AM
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Okay, but that answer doesn't intersect with either of my questions.
Actually I thought the answer satisfied the question; if a bureaucracies are inevitable results of concentrations of wealth by the state, then even if they are 'by-products' or 'externalities', they are as certain a result of federal actions as if they were intentional.
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/4/2008 9:36:24 AM
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In the sense that if one wants a state governed by laws and rules, one must necessarily have a bureaucracy to regulate, administrate, etcetera?
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/4/2008 10:53:25 AM
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Jhud
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In the sense that if one wants a state governed by laws and rules, one must necessarily have a bureaucracy to regulate, administrate, etcetera?
Minimal bureaucracies are a neccesary evil, but we shouldn't proliferate evils uneccesarily.
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
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RE: Democrats or Republicans - 12/4/2008 12:11:53 PM
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Okay, but that answer doesn't intersect with either of my questions.
Actually I thought the answer satisfied the question; if a bureaucracies are inevitable results of concentrations of wealth by the state, then even if they are 'by-products' or 'externalities', they are as certain a result of federal actions as if they were intentional.
When an answer is not the one we look for,
absurdities are added to more absurdities.
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