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why i don't drink. not you. - 11/24/2008 3:47:31 PM
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twincities
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Proverbs 23:29-35
Who has anguish? Who has sorrow?
Who is always fighting? Who is always complaining?
Who has unnecessary bruises? Who has bloodshot eyes? It is the one who spends long hours in the taverns, trying out new drinks. Don’t gaze at the wine, seeing how red it is, how it sparkles in the cup, how smoothly it goes down. For in the end it bites like a poisonous snake; it stings like a viper. You will see hallucinations, and you will say crazy things. You will stagger like a sailor tossed at sea, clinging to a swaying mast. And you will say, “They hit me, but I didn’t feel it. I didn’t even know it when they beat me up. When will I wake up so I can look for another drink?”
Proverbs 20:1
Wine produces mockers; alcohol leads to brawls. Those led astray by drink cannot be wise
Proverbs 31:6
Alcohol is for the dying, and wine for those in bitter distress.
Ephesians 5:18
Don’t be drunk with wine, because that will ruin your life. Instead, be filled with the Holy Spirit,
1 Timothy 3:8
In the same way, deacons must be well respected and have integrity. They must not be heavy drinkers or dishonest with money.
This is not a note on why you shouldn’t drink just why I don’t.
Growing up I saw a lot of alcohol abuse. At the age of eleven I began to drink myself. I also began to experiment with other drugs as well. But at the age of thirteen a friend of mine told me about Jesus. I asked Jesus into my heart and for the first time I saw right from wrong. Yes, I did drink afterwards a few times. But the point is Jesus showed me what was right and I then began to walk in it. My reason for not drinking isn’t because of what I grew up. I don’t drink because there is no good in it. I don’t drink because I love Jesus and He wants what is best for me. There is no ‘good’ in alcohol.
Does anyone truly drink alcohol and not want to get drunk? If someone doesn’t want to get drunk why drink?
In my extended family this idea has caused some division. Joel and I have made the decision not to drink any alcohol or allow it in our home. Our extended family does allow alcohol and some have admitted to drinking to the point of being drunk.
For me this has caused some inner turmoil about the holiday season. Why you might ask? It is because of my two boys. Before they were born I didn’t mind being around those who would drink but now they are here I don’t want them to be around any alcohol. This means Joel and I will not be celebrating the holidays with some extended family. Why does this cause inner turmoil? Because they might be mad and think we are better then they and that is not what I think or feel. But I know Joel and I must stand by our convictions.
So why drink? Why is it important to you? Can you go thirty days without any consumption of alcohol? If not why?
thanks for reading.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/24/2008 4:31:09 PM
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Why I don't drink?
Good question.......Why don't I drink alcohol? I have 3 answers.
1. I don't want to.
2. I hate the taste.
3. I want to set a good example for my friends and family.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/24/2008 4:44:16 PM
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I hesitated to respond because there are multitudes of "is alcohol ok" threads, and I'm not sure if you really want sincere answers to your questions, but here goes...
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Does anyone truly drink alcohol and not want to get drunk?
Yes.
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If someone doesn’t want to get drunk why drink?
For the same reason people eat desserts made with refined sugar rather than artificial sweeteners or natural sugar substitutes. There is a specific taste and texture both alcohol and sugar impart that cannot be replicated exactly in another form.
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So why drink? Why is it important to you?
I wouldn't say it's any more "important" than sugar, salt, or saturated fat. But as a culinary treat, in moderation, I enjoy the flavor and texture of certain alcoholic beverages. I have no family history of alcohol abuse and no medical conditions that would make moderate alcohol use dangerous, and no friends or acquaintances that would be led to stumble by my use of alcohol.
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Can you go thirty days without any consumption of alcohol?
Can. Have. Often do.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/24/2008 5:11:58 PM
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I hesitated to respond because there are multitudes of "is alcohol ok" threads, and I'm not sure if you really want sincere answers to your questions, but here goes...
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ORIGINAL: twincities
Does anyone truly drink alcohol and not want to get drunk?
Yes.
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If someone doesn’t want to get drunk why drink?
For the same reason people eat desserts made with refined sugar rather than artificial sweeteners or natural sugar substitutes. There is a specific taste and texture both alcohol and sugar impart that cannot be replicated exactly in another form.
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So why drink? Why is it important to you?
I wouldn't say it's any more "important" than sugar, salt, or saturated fat. But as a culinary treat, in moderation, I enjoy the flavor and texture of certain alcoholic beverages. I have no family history of alcohol abuse and no medical conditions that would make moderate alcohol use dangerous, and no friends or acquaintances that would be led to stumble by my use of alcohol.
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Can you go thirty days without any consumption of alcohol?
Can. Have. Often do.
yeah it would be great to get honest answers not just christianeze answers.. I don't think drinking is sinful in of its self. its been my experiance that there is to much of an importance is people's lives and then come the holidays. And then with my 2 boys I don't want them around it. If it wasn't for Jesus I would be just like my family or maybe even dead. Sometimes I do wish that I had a better experiance when it came to wine or beer but I don't.
would love to have honest answers to everyone who wants to. agree, disagree, or somewhere in the middle.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/24/2008 5:27:44 PM
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Honest answer. I don't see anything wrong with drinking in moderation. Getting drunk is another matter altogether.
I do not drink. I quit many years ago. Not because I had a problem with it but because I was a menber of a gospel group and many of the people we sang to did believe it was wrong. So I quit so I would not harm the ministry we had going.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/24/2008 5:51:33 PM
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I hesitated to respond because there are multitudes of "is alcohol ok" threads, and I'm not sure if you really want sincere answers to your questions, but here goes...
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ORIGINAL: twincities
Does anyone truly drink alcohol and not want to get drunk?
Yes.
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If someone doesn’t want to get drunk why drink?
For the same reason people eat desserts made with refined sugar rather than artificial sweeteners or natural sugar substitutes. There is a specific taste and texture both alcohol and sugar impart that cannot be replicated exactly in another form.
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So why drink? Why is it important to you?
I wouldn't say it's any more "important" than sugar, salt, or saturated fat. But as a culinary treat, in moderation, I enjoy the flavor and texture of certain alcoholic beverages. I have no family history of alcohol abuse and no medical conditions that would make moderate alcohol use dangerous, and no friends or acquaintances that would be led to stumble by my use of alcohol.
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Can you go thirty days without any consumption of alcohol?
Can. Have. Often do.
i think i would answer the exact same way that moon mouse answered this one.
there are some meals that just go better with wine rather than sweet tea or coke.
i do, however, have a family history of alcohol abuse, my maternal grandfather is an alcoholic, so my mom made very sure that i didn't grow up with alcohol in the house. ALTHOUGH, she never told me that it was evil or bad and that i shouldn't ever drink. she made sure that i knew that once i was of legal age and decided to drink, that i should do it in moderation etc, etc, etc.
i do not drink in front of him (to encourage him to stop) nor in front of my grandmother, who stopped drinking in 1984 (because she has enough to endure watching my grandfather drink.)
do i care if anyone else sees me drink? well, i usually drink at home, though if i am out with friends, i might have 1 or 2 glasses and I don't look at it as trying to get drunk. i haven't been drunk in a very long time.
i have never had a problem with it. i have gone years without taking even a sip of cold medicine, but there are some days when i have a big red steak sitting in front of me, and a glass of muscadine wine is just the ticket.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/24/2008 5:54:53 PM
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twincities,
I think you did a great job of presenting the "Why" behind your conviction. I applaud you for following it so strongly, and I hope the situation with your family gets resolved in an edifying manner.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/24/2008 6:09:47 PM
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So why drink? I haven't been, because it all has tasted nasty to me until recently, and since I don't drink to become drunk, why drink stuff that tastes like someone left the grape juice out over a week's worth of sweltering southern summer evenings? If I wanted to get inebriated, I would choose something less painful -- like take drugs or something.
Why is it important to you? It is important to me because the Bible says to drink a little wine. Even the money used for tithe was to be spent on wine or "whatever your heart desires," but the instruction in Scripture is clear: don't drink to become drunk.
Can you go thirty days without any consumption of alcohol? Oh, yes! I have gone practically a whole lifetime without alcohol! But I had a taste of some wine one recent Sabbath that tasted almost exactly like kosher sparkling grape juice. I was impressed. Today, I bought two bottles of something similar, to see if it's drinkable. If it isn't, I'll just cook with it. I would like to be obedient and have a little on Sabbaths, but not much -- just a teensy bit. I have a liver condition.
If not why? See above.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/24/2008 6:30:01 PM
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lets not over-look that quality beer and wine are healthy. Much healthier than many other things people eat and drink on a daily basis.
When i was in the u.s. army i did most of my time in berlin, germany. These people drank and it was as much a part of their diet as any other reason,maybe more. I remember them referring to beer as 'liquid bread'. This is very common with all european countries as well. In all my time there i saw alot of drinking and did a little myself at times. However, i never saw anything like the kinda drunks we have here in america and i never saw as much as a scrap of trash anywhere in Germany, much less a buncha broken whiskey bottles laying around everywhere.
Was not jesus' first miracle turning water into wine? The people at this wedding went on to get intoxicated, courtesy of our lord and savior. Does anyone have the slightest notion that they did not intend to get drunk, or that jesus didnt know and condone it?
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/24/2008 7:06:13 PM
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Was not jesus' first miracle turning water into wine? The people at this wedding went on to get intoxicated, courtesy of our lord and savior. Does anyone have the slightest notion that they did not intend to get drunk, or that jesus didnt know and condone it?
Are you serous? Messiah condones getting drunk? No way. Messiah clearly said that He did not come to change what was written. He didn't get drunk, and He did not condone getting drunk. G-d also gave us intercourse, but giving it does not condone doing it outside of a contractual commitment!
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/24/2008 11:21:33 PM
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I have never been drunk. I drink one drink about every 5 months when I am out some celebrating with family. Last drink I had was in August at my friend's wedding i had a glass of wine.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/25/2008 3:51:10 AM
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I follow a mothers advise.
Prov 31:4 "It is not for kings, O Lemuel-- not for kings to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer, 5 lest they drink and forget what the law decrees, and deprive all the oppressed of their rights. 6 Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish; 7 let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more."
I often go months without touching the stuff and when I need to make decisions I stay sober, we are also commanded, Le 10:9 "Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:" Even though there is no Temple, I try to stay sober when I am enquiring of Adonai.
However, when things get a little rough, I use some for "medicinal purposes". It isn't only Lemuel's mother's advise, but my grandmother suggested I drink a beer if I can't sleep and she lived to be over 95 years old. By the way, sometimes it takes more than a couple to "remember . . . misery no more."
Also, we are told, with regard to the tithe for the celebration of the feasts, De 14:26 "And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, . . ."
So, generally, I don't indulge, but on occasion . . .
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/25/2008 6:25:34 AM
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I bought a six pack of "Mike's Hard Lemonade" last New Year's (as in 11 months ago). There is still one left from the six pack, so that means I drank 5 of them in 11 months. They go really well with Mexican food, or with pizza.
I don't like the taste of wine, or of beer. But I do like the taste of hard lemonade, and of margaritas, and I will have them once in a well. Rarely do I have more than one in a sitting, and never more than two.
Can I go more than a month -- well obviously if I only had 5 in 11 months, the answer is yes. But every once in a while I just get in the mood for something other than water.
Oh, and I don't drink soda -- at all. I do drink lemonade or fruit punch once in a while. But in a typical day the only drink I will have is water, and some milk on my cereal (although I don't consider milk on cereal a "drink") and a small cup of fruit juice at breakfast.
So, I don't think there is anything wrong with, once in a while, enjoying the taste of a drink other than water. I happen to choose hard lemonade, others happen to choose beer or soda. In moderation (and if anything I'm drinking LESS than "in moderation") I don't see a problem with it.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/25/2008 11:58:08 AM
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Well, I'd say your misunderstanding of what scripture actually does say about alcohol and your dogmatic rigidness is causing the problem and strife.
You don't seem to understand moderation.
Is your extended family the type that get drunk and fight or do they just peacefully sit and have a few?
Your children are going to learn wrongheaded thinking and not what scripture actually teaches if you keep following YOUR (man-made) rules.
There's a lot of personal opinion judgments in your post that you might actually want to reconsider. I can tell you a lot of stories about reaching people in pubs over beers.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/25/2008 12:51:07 PM
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Does anyone truly drink alcohol and not want to get drunk? If someone doesn’t want to get drunk why drink? Yes, there are plenty of people who drink alcohol who do not want to get drunk; NOR do they actually get drunk neither. I don't drink alcohol any longer (and it's a personal decision that has nothing to do with convictions).
My homechurch's pastor and his wife still do drink alcohol; specifically, they drink wine with many of their meals . . . and they have never had the first desire to get drunk; nor have I ever seen them that way neither - and I've been around them many times while they have been drinking. By the way, they are both in their 80s . . . and they have my deepest respect for how they Biblically live their lives on absolutely all levels.
Additionally, many people in my homechurch drink alcohol; and again, without the desire to get drunk nor actually getting drunk. I know that some have gotten tipsy . . . but people can also get tipsy from eating too many cookies, chocolate candies or too much dessert at one time . . . it's called a sugar high.
Why drink? Many people enjoy the taste of alcohol. I personally don't like the taste of whiskey and such, but I really enjoy the taste of various wines (not all, but some). . . I even won a bottle of huckleberry blush wine because I won a grape stomping contest a few years ago at a winery. If I still drank alcohol, you bets your boots I wouldn't have any inhibitions about enjoying a very tasty glass of huckleberry blush, or various white wines, or champagne, or even the occasional margarita . . . and yes, for anyone who is wondering, I do know that margaritas are not made with wine  .
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So why drink? Why is it important to you? Can you go thirty days without any consumption of alcohol? If not why?
thanks for reading.
elise Elise, drinking alcohol is about as "important" to me as anything else on this earth . . . which, outside of personal relationships with people and the beauty of nature, there's not a lot that I deem "important." When I drank alcohol, yes, I could go thirty days and sometimes more without consuming any of it. Sometimes I drank some alcohol on a weekly basis; sometimes, even more frequently; sometimes, it was months and even years between drinking. But in the last 25+ years, I have never once drank to get drunk, nor have I actually gotten drunk. In fact, after my husband passed away, I imposed a "no-drinking" policy on myself for a while because I didn't want to drink during that time because I didn't want it to become easy to lean on alcohol.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/25/2008 1:01:24 PM
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I'll have a glass of wine on occasion, but I do not keep any booze in our home. It's just too easy to sit back and relax with a cold one or two! I spent waaaaaay toooooo much time in my past imbibing. It's a personal choice. Love those sweet drinks, but too many calories!
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/25/2008 2:29:38 PM
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why i don't drink. not you.
This is not a note on why you shouldn’t drink just why I don’t. 1) Anything made from rotten fruit or grain tastes nasty!
2) There is a strong family history of substance abuse in my immediate family. I know only one way to prevent alcoholism!
3) The very few times I've tried even small amounts, I've become quite drowsy and sedated.
4) As a lay leader in my church, it would be improper for me to drink according to the guidelines of my denomination.
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I can tell you a lot of stories about reaching people in pubs over beers. I can tell you a whole lot more stories about unsaved people killed prematurely by drunk drivers leaving a pub after a few beers!
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/25/2008 6:59:48 PM
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I occasionally have a drink. I don't drink to get drunk. However, there are a few frozen alcoholic drinks I like. If I can get them in a "virgin" version I will but sometimes you can't so if I'm out to a nice dinner I might have one. I will only have maybe 2-3 a year. I have actually not had any in over 1.5 years and may not for a while. In my custody agreement is a statement that I will not allow anyone to drink in hte company of my kids. I don't have a problem with that. The only time I might is if I was out with adult friends.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/25/2008 8:20:18 PM
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So why drink? Why is it important to you? Can you go thirty days without any consumption of alcohol? If not why?
Why?
- I grew up with it. It's always been there. French culture - wine with meals, BUT it was a disgrace to your family name to be drunk - I STILL remember the reaction to that uncle from way back when who got drunk
Important?
- I wouldn't say it's important to me. I can live with it or without it. I drink coffee all day long and I think it would be harder for me to cut than wine.
30 days?
- w/o alcohol? You betcha! w/o coffee? I dunno...
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/25/2008 10:04:56 PM
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Does anyone truly drink alcohol and not want to get drunk?
Yes.
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If someone doesn’t want to get drunk why drink?
I like the taste of good tequila.
I also like beer unless it comes in a green bottle. Anything in a green bottle is gross.
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In my extended family this idea has caused some division. Joel and I have made the decision not to drink any alcohol or allow it in our home. Our extended family does allow alcohol and some have admitted to drinking to the point of being drunk.
For me this has caused some inner turmoil about the holiday season. Why you might ask? It is because of my two boys. Before they were born I didn’t mind being around those who would drink but now they are here I don’t want them to be around any alcohol. This means Joel and I will not be celebrating the holidays with some extended family. Why does this cause inner turmoil? Because they might be mad and think we are better then they and that is not what I think or feel. But I know Joel and I must stand by our convictions.
If there is this much strife in your family over your not drinking, I have to wonder how you're handling the issue. Through various business associations, I inevitably wind up socializing with a bunch of guys who party... with a variety of substances. I don't drink much and I've never touched any sort of drugs and they all know it and we all get along great. Any time I've ever been offered a substance and declined, I've always been treated with respect. It doesn't matter if I've known the guy for a few years or if I just met him that night - this has been my experience without exception. Once in a while, there may be some mild, good-natured teasing, but even that is all done in fun and we usually all get a laugh out of it.
So my assumption is that either your family is very hostile or you're handling this in a less-than-gracious manner (maybe both).
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So why drink?
I like it. I'll go so far as to say that I don't have a problem with getting buzzed. The "prohibitions" I see in scripture are generally warnings about the dangers of what can happen, particularly if you become addicted to it. There are ways to drink responsibly and ways to drink irresponsibly. Different people have different tolerances and different reactions. Some people get angry and violent. Some people get depressed. Some people get promiscuous. I get goofy and sleepy. Having watched my own reactions and behaviors, I'm of the opinion that anything you do while drunk is something you'd at least think about doing while sober.
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Why is it important to you?
It's not. Though it does help me unwind and relax sometimes.
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Can you go thirty days without any consumption of alcohol?
Sure, though I probably wouldn't choose to.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/26/2008 5:55:27 PM
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I can tell you a lot of stories about reaching people in pubs over beers. I can tell you a whole lot more stories about unsaved people killed prematurely by drunk drivers leaving a pub after a few beers!
And I can tell you stories about people that go into the doctor and are killed by them making mistakes in the procedure.
I don't understand why the jump to a conclusion.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/26/2008 6:15:39 PM
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drmark
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I don't understand why the jump to a conclusion. I don't understand why you would consider DWI statistics to be "jumping to a conclusion". Do you have any statistics for the number of sinners reached in pubs over beers?
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/26/2008 6:59:12 PM
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Hayseed
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You're jumping to the conclusion that everybody drinks and drives. Who said anything about that?
You want to focus on the negative and make a rule on that alone. But, the Bible has plenty of positive things to say about drinking alcohol as well as the warnings to not take it too far.
Why did you feel it necessary to remark on that one little portion of what I wrote? The rest of your post was commenting to someone else' post. I'm really wondering what the motivation, psychology, etc. was for you to focus in on that? Do you believe that we don't know that driving after drinking is a bad thing?
Why do Christians want to only focus in on certain portions scripture and treat the rest of the whole as irrelevant?
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My entire goal in life is to live exactly like the man who was falsely accused of being a drunkard, heretic and a friend of sinners by the religious people. So, don't be surprised if I'm not too concerned if you think ill of me.
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RE: why i don't drink. not you. - 11/26/2008 7:16:03 PM
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drmark
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You're jumping to the conclusion that everybody drinks and drives. Who said anything about that? That's jumping to a nice conclusion, isn't it! Do you have any statistics on the success of evangelical outreach in bars or just more inflammatory questions for me to ignore? Remember, Hayseed, you're the one who brought up his "personal opinion judgement" about reaching people in pubs over beer in post #14. Why do you want to focus in on certain portions of social drinking (ie, reaching people) and treat the rest of the whole as irrelevant (ie, deaths from DWI)? I'm really wondering what the motivation, psychology, etc. was for you to focus in on that.
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