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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/29/2008 1:06:05 PM
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OLEEguacamole
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Your view point is unbiblical. sorry, but gentiles are not required to be jewish-like. the NT scolds people for attempting to promote that.
The liturgical calendar is not sin. It is not usurping God's authority.
demonstrate from NT that that is so regarding the keeping of feasts for gentiles.
We are not forbidden to worship on a scriptural theme. deciding to do that anually is not a sin either.
Worship changed a little when the veil was rent. Christ is the same yesterday to day and forever, but worship changed. The covenant changed.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/29/2008 1:15:20 PM
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If someone wants to judge someone for rehearsing the life of Christ through the year, well--okay, but I do not see the point of wasting the effort.
If they're not preparing for celebrations, feasting, gift giving, carol singiing...they have extra time on their hands. It's a sneaky way of participating in the season.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/29/2008 7:33:48 PM
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I am not sure who licked the red off y'all's candy, but take your squabbles to pm and stop baiting one another and taking the bait. Now.
Is there any part of a moderator's reprimand post that may be responded to? This was just Too Cute! You're such a neat person!
But I am serious: can we respond to things like that that are cute or artsy or whatever -- or even say, "I am sorry" publicly if we have been snot agates in response to such moderator's posts?
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/29/2008 8:29:08 PM
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It never fails to amaze and dismay me when Christians feel compelled to judge other Christians about when and how they celebrate or do not celebrate. Didn't Paul cover this clearly enough for us? We are *not* to judge our brothers about these things. Period. This should be the end of the yearly discussions.
For some it's a simple discussion and not a matter of judgment... This like many topics on the forum have people that don't agree... I am not sure Christmas would fall under what was Paul spoke of...
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/29/2008 8:34:30 PM
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SovereignIsHe
Your view point is unbiblical. sorry, but gentiles are not required to be jewish-like. the NT scolds people for attempting to promote that.
Since I never mentioned anything being required you seem to making up your own argument and applying it to me...
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The liturgical calendar is not sin.
I don't recall mentioning it...
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It is not usurping God's authority.
Man declaring "holy days" in the name of God is...
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demonstrate from NT that that is so regarding the keeping of feasts for gentiles.
I suggest you take this up with yourself since I have haven't mention anything of to do with gentiles and keeping feasts...
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We are not forbidden to worship on a scriptural theme. deciding to do that anually is not a sin either.
Worship changed a little when the veil was rent. Christ is the same yesterday to day and forever, but worship changed. The covenant changed.
You seem to keep steering away from what is Christmas and painting some picture that doesn't reflect reality...
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 3:31:23 AM
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OLEEguacamole
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Debatable... God speaks of hating man's appointed feast days...
 that was God hating man's unrepentant observance of the appointed feasts. (Is 1:14)
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 7:48:56 AM
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You seem to keep steering away from what is Christmas and painting some picture that doesn't reflect reality...
I am not sure what has happened to your Christmas. The Christmas around my parts reflects not only greed and commercialism BUT also goodwill and love and grace, family and food, cheer and hope, and thanksgiving to God for His blessings, and tinsel.  Christmas around here provides us to display yet again, the Fruits of the Spirit, against which there is no law. Yes, we do it all year long, but we chose to celebrate along side our neighbors and friends, who may or may not understand the Spirit like we do. BTW, in these parts, Christmas is not a day but an entire month.
Might do some of us some good to watch the Charlie Brown Christmas special.....again.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 7:54:16 AM
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BTW, my crazy scheme to decorate the crepe myrtle tree in my front yard is turning out delightfully tacky. It is only partly done because we now have pouring rain. I'll make an avatar of it later, when it is done. I think even half done, neighbors have driven by and scratched their heads over this nutty idea.
Actually, my daughter wanted to decorate my palm tree but I have no idea how to accomplish that.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 9:57:13 AM
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BTW, my crazy scheme to decorate the crepe myrtle tree in my front yard is turning out delightfully tacky. It is only partly done because we now have pouring rain. I'll make an avatar of it later, when it is done. I think even half done, neighbors have driven by and scratched their heads over this nutty idea.
Actually, my daughter wanted to decorate my palm tree but I have no idea how to accomplish that.
People around here put lights in the crepe myrtles and the palms and the azaleas -if it has branches lights can be hung
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 10:05:53 AM
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I am not sure what has happened to your Christmas. The Christmas around my parts reflects not only greed and commercialism BUT also goodwill and love and grace, family and food, cheer and hope, and thanksgiving to God for His blessings, and tinsel. Christmas around here provides us to display yet again, the Fruits of the Spirit, against which there is no law. Yes, we do it all year long, but we chose to celebrate along side our neighbors and friends, who may or may not understand the Spirit like we do. BTW, in these parts, Christmas is not a day but an entire month.
Thats a very good portrait of Christmas. There is an increase of good will this time of year, rightly or wrongly (as some would say it should be all year long) and its a great time to enjoy it and share it.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 2:11:30 PM
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I am not sure what has happened to your Christmas. The Christmas around my parts reflects not only greed and commercialism BUT also goodwill and love and grace, family and food, cheer and hope, and thanksgiving to God for His blessings, and tinsel. Christmas around here provides us to display yet again, the Fruits of the Spirit, against which there is no law. Yes, we do it all year long, but we chose to celebrate along side our neighbors and friends, who may or may not understand the Spirit like we do. BTW, in these parts, Christmas is not a day but an entire month.
It's not done all year long and Christmas of man, not the Spirit...
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Might do some of us some good to watch the Charlie Brown Christmas special.....again.
Too funny...
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 2:15:50 PM
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Debatable... God speaks of hating man's appointed feast days...
that was God hating man's unrepentant observance of the appointed feasts. (Is 1:14)
It says, YOUR new moons, YOUR appointed feast... I don't see THE appointed feast apart from your personal version of the verse... God speaks to the appointed feasts and Sabbath, and New Moon in verse 13 and prior, yet calls them out for THEIR new moons and appointed feasts, which He hates...
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Isaiah 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
you need to read the context. I understand what it sounds like in that sentence but these weren't man's new made up feasts. they were the "apointed" feasts. the appointed feasts were the feasts that always fell on the same days every year. These people were going through the motions and thier hearts were sinful and unrepentent. God is saying "YOUR worship is a burden to me now, it means nothing, your hearts are unclean."
when you read that sentence in the context you can see what is going on. He was saying your [observance] of the appointed feasts and new moons is meaningles, empty, fake. It says why God hates them. it has nothing to dio with the feast. it is their hearts.
I don't agree... The context you are speaking of is dealt with prior...
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 2:34:22 PM
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did you stop reading at v 14? you don't think the following verses connect to v 14?
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 2:52:19 PM
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let's throw the feast of dedication into the mix. who was that instituted by?
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 3:28:38 PM
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did you stop reading at v 14? you don't think the following verses connect to v 14?
For instance? I recall you didn't even post the verse, but something of your own design...
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 3:35:35 PM
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i posted the reference to the verse that was aluded to, and i discussed it.
i don't see how you can read ch 1 of Is and say the verses after v. 14 have nothing to do with verse 14, beginning with v. 15.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 7:07:49 PM
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BTW, in these parts, Christmas is not a day but an entire month.
Wow! How long do you dedicated to His death?
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The great focus and emphasis on Christmas has hidden the real purpose and meaning of Gods of deliverance to mankind through His death and not His birth!
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 7:17:10 PM
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neither is christmas. it's assigning a day to reflect on it, to re-tell the story. it's very much like the cycle of remembrances and observances of the OT. but most of us are gentiles. we are not obligated to be jewish-like, but the telling of our faith to the generations on a regular cyclical basis, and celebrating such is a sound biblical principle. what's wrong with the gentiles looking at the pattern of observance in the OT and patterning a cycle of telling and remembering the life of the gentile Savior? what forbids that?
God does not forbid such a thing.
Whos says the feasts are jewish pe rse?
Scriptures certainly does not.
His birth is found in the feast. Why celebrate it on manmade day rather than a God made one?
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2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. 3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Another thing appears that since its a manmade day, its readily accepted by the world rather than His death.
Does this appear to be the case?
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The great focus and emphasis on Christmas has hidden the real purpose and meaning of Gods of deliverance to mankind through His death and not His birth!
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 8:53:16 PM
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Whos says the feasts are jewish pe rse?
Scriptures certainly does not.
Who did God instruct to observe them? His people or all the citizens of the world? Were there non Jewish people of God? Who was supposed to be circumcised etc?
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His birth is found in the feast. Why celebrate it on manmade day rather than a God made one?
fabulous idea! but not mandatory. and why not celebrate the life of Christ a different way?
i believe there should be believers that do both. or either/or. it has an evangelistic purpose as well as being a meaningful way to live and express faith.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 9:31:47 PM
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Christmas as celebrated today doesn't make alot of sense to me.
It should be about the Word becoming flesh ...not all this business about making lists ...finding sales ..."christmas parties" or stingy santa. There "gift giving" had nothing to do with his birth anyway.
I voted neutral and for others, I play along. But deep down I know it has very little to do with Christ no matter how much spin one might put on it.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 9:59:02 PM
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It is a cultural event for sure. And a type of anniversary. It's life's anniversary. A marker from year to year.
In the church calendar is is part of the cycle of telling and celebrating the incarnation.
It is not so strange to think of God even in the cultural aspects of the holiday season. as believers God is integrated into life itself.
i enjoy both the worship experiences of the season and the cultural experiences of the season.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/30/2008 10:03:58 PM
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It is a cultural event for sure. And a type of anniversary. It's life's anniversary. A marker from year to year.
In the church calendar is is part of the cycle of telling and celebrating the incarnation.
It is not so strange to think of God even in the cultural aspects of the holiday season. as believers God is integrated into life itself.
i enjoy both the worship experiences of the season and the cultural experiences of the season.
A western cultures? BTW i am an easterner living in a muslim country.
Why not celebrate His incarnation closer to the Truth of scriptures than spreading half Truths to our children that His birth was in Dec when in actual fact ALL shepherds and sheep will be back in the warmer confines of the homes? Why this mis Truth? Why not celebrate a God given albeit to Israel, Feast of Tabernacle which is much closer to the date of His birth?
i enjoy all festivals, but thats not the point.... its not my culture by scriptures...
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