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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 8:29:35 AM
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Test: cant see Qts post???
You cant see my post because I made three posts in response to yours and hit the cancell button instead of the ok button. I wanted to think about my response a little more and make sure ite was tempered with respect before submitting it. I will post a response later. I did notice the system showed my name as the last person to post though and it was confusing.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 8:31:30 AM
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Lets make sure we stick to the topic of Christmas and not drag other holidays such as Easter into the discussion. Thank you.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 9:09:26 AM
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Is celebrating the Incarnation of Christ important? I think Philippians 2 gives us biblical grounds to do so:
Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
IMO, scripture takes special care in exalting the Lord's incarnation. To me, it's obvious that I should celebrate the event.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 10:04:13 AM
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I am going to answer as many of your questions as possible. Keep in mind the gentle nudge from Kath regarding other holidays. I should not have brought us the other Feast and will not respond to questions about them here in this thread per her instructions.
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Lets for discussion sakes, IF Christmas was not an established man tradition yet and you have here a celebration
which is mentioned in scriptures albeit to Israel BUT a feast of the Lord, no less, would you celebrate it?
Once again I probably would not. I am not Jewish. You may view Christmas as simply a tradition but, I and many others view it as a religious celebration of the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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Or are you saying a man made tradition makes it a reason to celebrate more than that mentioned as Feasts of the Lord because you are a gentile?
How you managed to take what I said and come to the conclusion I said anything close to this is beyond me.
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Another point for discussion, IF Christmas was a pagan origin celebration, would you continue with it?
The short answer here is no. However, you cannot prove that Christmas is pagan in its origins. Christmas was established by the church to commemorate the birth of Christ. There is nothing pagan about that. Many people have tried to show Christmas is pagan in its origins and have failed. The best they can do is show the date, December 25th, was used by some pagan culture for some paganistic reasons. This fact I have never argued. Now why did the church pick this date? There are several theories on this. One theory is the Church believed Mary conceived on the 25th of March and simply counted 9 mouths forward and landed on the 25th of December. I dont put much confidence in any of the theories. Was Jesus born on the 25th of December? No. He was probably born sometime during the months of September November. The exact date has never been established in an irrefutable manner. As far as the pagan practices done on the 25th of December, they have nothing to do with the celebration of Christmas. I can reasonably show pagans have had some sort of practice or celebration on any given day of the year. I can show where pagans celebrated something at one time during the days you celebrate the Feast of the Lord. Does that render those Feast pagan? I think not. One should be extremely careful in condemning things God Himself did not condemn.
Is the celebration of Christmas important? When I consider what it is I am celebrating it is very important. After all the birth Of Christ was important enough a large portion of the scripture is dedicated to prophesying about His birth or proclaiming His Birth or Giving the historical details of His birth. Does His birth bring about Salvation? Not in and of itself. However, had He not been born then He would not have died on the cross shedding His Blood for the redemption of my sins. So therefore it is important. At least to me.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 10:55:22 AM
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Celebrating Nimrod's mommy/wife.
Um... celebrating the ressurrection of Christ.
So, why is it called easter?
Because somebody already had copyrights on Thanksgiving and Memorial Day
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 11:13:46 AM
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Another point for discussion, IF Christmas was a pagan origin celebration, would you continue with it?
I've answered this one already. It has nothing to do with what some long dead pagan did. I am not worshiping the handsome oaks in my backyard. They are gorgeous and make lovely shade and are huge! But they are just trees.
I think I'll hang some tinsel on my crepe myrtle tree in the front yard. Is that pagan/ christian? I vote neither but hopefully it will be pretty.
http://www.adventconspiracy.org/
this is an interesting notion
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 1:25:06 PM
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I'm waiting for the purpose driven latke(potato pancake).
Hee-hee-hee! I want that book! You need to write it: a cookbook of several recipes for latkes and the accompaniments!
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 6:30:19 PM
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I'm waiting for the purpose driven latke(potato pancake).
Hee-hee-hee! I want that book! You need to write it: a cookbook of several recipes for latkes and the accompaniments!
No, it would be the ten steps I personnally need to follow to make certain that I create the perfect latke for full filling Adonai's meal plan created specifically for me from the foundation of the earth.
The great thing about latkes is even when you reheat them in a microwave, you are still frying them.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 7:00:45 PM
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Is celebrating the Incarnation of Christ important? I think Philippians 2 gives us biblical grounds to do so:
Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
IMO, scripture takes special care in exalting the Lord's incarnation. To me, it's obvious that I should celebrate the event.
Why not choose Feast of Tabernacles(which seems to be the nearest day in scriptures) to celebrate instaed of a manmade day....maybe even pagan??
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 7:25:21 PM
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I am going to answer as many of your questions as possible. Keep in mind the gentle nudge from Kath regarding other holidays. I should not have brought us the other Feast and will not respond to questions about them here in this thread per her instructions.
Yes we try to be focussed...
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Lets for discussion sakes, IF Christmas was not an established man tradition yet and you have here a celebration
which is mentioned in scriptures albeit to Israel BUT a feast of the Lord, no less, would you celebrate it?
Once again I probably would not. I am not Jewish. You may view Christmas as simply a tradition but, I and many others view it as a religious celebration of the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
i am not religious. Just seeking for Truth of God. So i am trying to purge my paradigm shaped by man made traditions especially those not found in scriptures. Why do you deem the feast as 'jewish'. the scriptures says:
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Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. 3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. 4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons
it appears that the persception of them being jewish has put you off? i would celebrate them if i was not tradionalised in the first place for a simple reason: they are in scriptures and planned out by the Lord Himself.
4 These are the feasts of the LORD,
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Or are you saying a man made tradition makes it a reason to celebrate more than that mentioned as Feasts of the Lord because you are a gentile?
How you managed to take what I said and come to the conclusion I said anything close to this is beyond me.
Cause you seem to indicate that and again up there in your post about gentile and jewish.
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Another point for discussion, IF Christmas was a pagan origin celebration, would you continue with it?
The short answer here is no. However, you cannot prove that Christmas is pagan in its origins. Christmas was established by the church to commemorate the birth of Christ. There is nothing pagan about that. Many people have tried to show Christmas is pagan in its origins and have failed. The best they can do is show the date, December 25th, was used by some pagan culture for some paganistic reasons. This fact I have never argued. Now why did the church pick this date? There are several theories on this. One theory is the Church believed Mary conceived on the 25th of March and simply counted 9 mouths forward and landed on the 25th of December. I dont put much confidence in any of the theories. Was Jesus born on the 25th of December? No. He was probably born sometime during the months of September November. The exact date has never been established in an irrefutable manner. As far as the pagan practices done on the 25th of December, they have nothing to do with the celebration of Christmas. I can reasonably show pagans have had some sort of practice or celebration on any given day of the year. I can show where pagans celebrated something at one time during the days you celebrate the Feast of the Lord. Does that render those Feast pagan? I think not. One should be extremely careful in condemning things God Himself did not condemn.
Be careful. Christmas is NOT a feast of the Lord. When we celebrate a feast of the Lord decsribed in Lev 23, we have no condemnation. Why should a pagan feast render the feats of the Lord pagan?? ???
However, the feasts not found in scriptures, you have to be a bit more careful that it may have pagan Roman roots, should you not?
Is the celebration of Christmas important? When I consider what it is I am celebrating it is very important. After all the birth Of Christ was important enough a large portion of the scripture is dedicated to prophesying about His birth or proclaiming His Birth or Giving the historical details of His birth. Does His birth bring about Salvation? Not in and of itself. However, had He not been born then He would not have died on the cross shedding His Blood for the redemption of my sins. So therefore it is important. At least to me.
Yes, i am not going to go into the pagan part. No one can prove it. i only show its not in scriptures and manmade. we dont even know the church started it or constantine did, do we? 
But consider this , that we can show from scriptures the time of the birth is around the Feast of Tabernacles....when he tabernacled amongst mankind. God has a reason for His feast, does He not?
its not even near 25th Dec.
Understanding Gods purposes is important. Mans traditions is not.
You may want to consider the Feast of Tabernacles....it ccan be established by scriptures
http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/resource/abiah.htm
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 7:28:07 PM
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You try doing that in a muslim country!
Good point.
Try pointing out to them that you're going to buy lots of eggs and chocolates. See if that makes them feel any better. 
Huh?
Just pointing out that they have no qualms about celebrating christmas with us.
But Passover is a totally different matter. Does it not make you wonder why its so?
When the death on the cross is more so important?
i keep wondering...........
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 8:52:06 PM
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Prophet I do not wish to debate the issue with you. I can't even make you understand what I am saying apparently. You elect to recognize the holidays given to the Israelites and I respect that. I don't elect to celebrate those days and it seems you cannot or do not respect my decision. I am sorry but attitudes like you exhibit reek of holier than thou and I will not be a part of it. Have a good day.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/26/2008 10:16:21 PM
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Prophet I do not wish to debate the issue with you. I can't even make you understand what I am saying apparently. You elect to recognize the holidays given to the Israelites and I respect that. I don't elect to celebrate those days and it seems you cannot or do not respect my decision. I am sorry but attitudes like you exhibit reek of holier than thou and I will not be a part of it. Have a good day.
i am disappointed you took it that way.
This is a debate about celebrating Christmas. Its not about respecting ones decision.
If we are to respect ones decision, then there will be no debate?
Anyway, i am sorry you took offence to a debate.
i am no holier to the sinner next to me but for the righteousness of Christ.....hope thats clear.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/27/2008 2:17:52 AM
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No... It's rooted in vanity... Attaching God's name to something isn't a small thing...
It is not enough that man invent a ceremony, and then give it a signification, according to his pleasure. For so might the ceremonies of the Gentiles, and this day the ceremonies of Mohammed, be maintained. But if that any thing proceed from faith, it may have the word of God for the assurance; for ye are not ignorant, `That faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.' Now, if ye will prove that your ceremonies proceed from faith, and do please God, ye may prove that God in expressed words hath commanded them: Or else shall ye never prove, That they proceed from faith, nor yet that they please God; but that they are sin, and do displease him, according to the words of the Apostle, `Whatever is not of faith is sin. -- John Knox
"We have no superstitious regard for times and seasons. Certainly we do not believe in the present ecclesiastical arrangement called Christmas. First, because we do not believe in the mass at all, but abhor it, whether it be sung in Latin or in English; and secondly, because we find no Scriptural warrant whatever for observing any day as the birthday of the Savior; and consequently, its observance is a superstition, because not of divine authority. Superstition has fixed most positively the day of our Savior's birth, although there is no possibility of discovering when it occurred. ... It was not till the middle of the third century that any part of the church celebrated the nativity of our Lord; and it was not till very long after the Western church had set the example, that the Eastern adopted it. ... Probably the fact is that the "holy" days were arranged to fit in with the heathen festivals. We venture to assert, that if there be any day in the year, of which we may be pretty sure that it was not the day on which the Savior was born, it is the twenty-fifth of December. Nevertheless since, the current of men's thoughts is led this way just now, and I see no evil in the current itself, I shall launch the bark of our discourse upon that stream, and make use of the fact, which I shall neither justify nor condemn, by endeavoring to lead your thoughts in the same direction. Since it is lawful, and even laudable, to meditate upon the incarnation of the Lord upon any day in the year, it cannot be in the power of other men's superstitions to render such a meditation improper for to-day. Regarding not the day, let us, nevertheless, give God thanks for the gift of His dear Son."
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/27/2008 2:34:28 AM
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The short answer here is no. However, you cannot prove that Christmas is pagan in its origins. Christmas was established by the church to commemorate the birth of Christ.
The church establishing something doesn't lend credence to it... One doesn't have to show it's pagan origins, but simply point to the fact that Christmas has very little if any biblical credence...
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There is nothing pagan about that.
And there is no command by God to do so...
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One should be extremely careful in condemning things God Himself did not condemn.
One should be extremely careful when attributing something to God He didn't command...Couple folks thought they could honor God in a fashion they saw fit and they paid for it...
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Is the celebration of Christmas important? When I consider what it is I am celebrating it is very important. After all the birth Of Christ was important enough a large portion of the scripture is dedicated to prophesying about His birth or proclaiming His Birth or Giving the historical details of His birth.
Yet not single command to assign a day and celebrate His birth...
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Does His birth bring about Salvation? Not in and of itself. However, had He not been born then He would not have died on the cross shedding His Blood for the redemption of my sins. So therefore it is important. At least to me.
There can be no "had He not been born" consideration since it was ordained to take place.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/27/2008 9:42:33 AM
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Yet not single command to assign a day and celebrate His birth...
No problem there. Doesn't mean that it is evil to have a day to recognize it. Now if we celebrate the day by over spending, over eating and over drinking... any day doing that is evil.
There is no law against sharing good will to one's family, friends and neighbors and calling it Christmas.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/27/2008 1:42:11 PM
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No problem there. Doesn't mean that it is evil to have a day to recognize it.
Debatable... God speaks of hating man's appointed feast days...
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Now if we celebrate the day by over spending, over eating and over drinking... any day doing that is evil.
There is no law against sharing good will to one's family, friends and neighbors and calling it Christmas.
If that's the case everyday should be "Christmas" right? So one could argue that people are making the ONE day something special when in fact sharing good will to one's family, friends and neighbors is commanded daily...
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/27/2008 7:04:09 PM
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Yet not single command to assign a day and celebrate His birth...
No problem there. Doesn't mean that it is evil to have a day to recognize it. Now if we celebrate the day by over spending, over eating and over drinking... any day doing that is evil.
There is no law against sharing good will to one's family, friends and neighbors and calling it Christmas.
Hi car2
is there a possibility that we have been mis laid by the great emphasis on celebrating His birth?
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The great focus and emphasis on Christmas has hidden the real purpose and meaning of Gods of deliverance to mankind through His death and not His birth!
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i live in a muslim country. The town council gleefuily welcomes the celebration of Christmas in the town. They even extend resources including funds to celebrate the occasion. Of course we understand that they do it out of the prespective of encouraging commercial activity. AND the church here gleefuly accepts their invitation! i wonder what Jeremiah would have said!
However, try celebrating the death/ressurection in the town square!
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/27/2008 7:31:31 PM
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is there a possibility that we have been mis laid by the great emphasis on celebrating His birth?
If we over state the birth and stop there, yes it would be wrong. The birth is the start of the story. We should never stop with the babe in the manger.
Also, I agree that we should show good will and cheer and offer an example of God's grace to man everyday. We have a holiday called Christmas, an appointed time to remind us. Our sinful selves forget sometimes.
New testament folks are not commanded to follow the Hebrew holidays and Jewish festivals. BUT if one chooses to , to the glory of God, then by all means do it with all your heart. We have a couple of fine folk who post here that do just that and IMHO it is a good thing.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/27/2008 7:45:33 PM
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is there a possibility that we have been mis laid by the great emphasis on celebrating His birth?
If we over state the birth and stop there, yes it would be wrong. The birth is the start of the story. We should never stop with the babe in the manger.
Also, I agree that we should show good will and cheer and offer an example of God's grace to man everyday. We have a holiday called Christmas, an appointed time to remind us. Our sinful selves forget sometimes.
New testament folks are not commanded to follow the Hebrew holidays and Jewish festivals. BUT if one chooses to , to the glory of God, then by all means do it with all your heart. We have a couple of fine folk who post here that do just that and IMHO it is a good thing.
Having shown you the incident in a muslim country where they can accept Christmas but not the passover,so in your opinion, have we as the christian community been mislaid into placing too much emphasis on Christmas cheer?
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/27/2008 11:22:27 PM
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If we over state the birth and stop there, yes it would be wrong. The birth is the start of the story. We should never stop with the babe in the manger.
How is having ONE day not over stating the birth?
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Also, I agree that we should show good will and cheer and offer an example of God's grace to man everyday. We have a holiday called Christmas, an appointed time to remind us. Our sinful selves forget sometimes.
Why should anyone remember, December 25th is just one day out of 365... Enough people can't act according the morning after attending church...
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/27/2008 11:39:59 PM
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Did all the prophets foretelling His birth overstate it?
Did the Wise men and Shepard's overstate it?
Did the Heavenly Host singing hosannas overstate it?
I have a news flash for you. If you are saved then Jesus' birth is the second most important event leading to your salvation. The only thing that means more is His death on the cross.
So IMHO you can't overstate His birth.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/28/2008 12:14:08 AM
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Did all the prophets foretelling His birth overstate it?
Did the Wise men and Shepard's overstate it?
Did the Heavenly Host singing hosannas overstate it?
I have a news flash for you. If you are saved then Jesus' birth is the second most important event leading to your salvation. The only thing that means more is His death on the cross.
So IMHO you can't overstate His birth.
Yet none of the above set aside a day in order to honor his birth as a routine... Nor did the Apostles...
Christmas is more about man than Jesus which but of course it's of man, and not God...
Jesus was heading to the cross before the foundation of the world... My salvation was secured long before Christ was manifested in the flesh... The promise to the Son by the Father...
His birth can be and is overstated... Much the same way His "teachings" are put at odds with the whole of His word as if the only thing of God are the words spoken by Christ... His birth is no more important than the day after if one is going to play the "what if" game...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Is Celebrating Christmas important? - 11/28/2008 1:21:35 AM
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ORIGINAL: Qtman
Did all the prophets foretelling His birth overstate it?
Did the Wise men and Shepard's overstate it?
Did the Heavenly Host singing hosannas overstate it?
I have a news flash for you. If you are saved then Jesus' birth is the second most important event leading to your salvation. The only thing that means more is His death on the cross.
So IMHO you can't overstate His birth.
Could not agree more to the bold.
But the point is : Is the birth not overshadowing the death in our christian/human traditions?
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