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John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/23/2008 10:28:38 PM
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Acts29
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This article I find strange regarding the Vatican forgiving John Lennon. BTW I am a fan of the Beatles. It is hard to believe it has been that long since the Black and White album came out.
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*****If this thread is in the wrong forum please move it. I am not sure which forum would be the correct one for this article.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/23/2008 10:51:06 PM
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Considering where Lennon is probably residing, i doubt the Vatican's forgiveness is much comfort to him. The Vatican should be in the business of asking for forgiveness instead of dispensing it anyway.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 7:45:37 AM
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Anybody remember the Alvin & The Chipmunks episode/special where Alvin boasted that they were more popular than Mickey Mouse?
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 10:07:49 AM
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So they've kept account of his sin for 38 years and are just now getting around to forgiving him? I didn't think John Lennon was a Catholic...why did they take it so personally? 
I agree. I think this is one of the most arrogant statements regarding forgiveness I have seen in a long time. John Lennon died over 20 years ago what difference does their forgiveness makes at this date.
I just don't get it or understand the statement.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 10:20:40 AM
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Considering where Lennon is probably residing, i doubt the Vatican's forgiveness is much comfort to him.
now now, judge and jury we are not, lol.
As a past Lenon fan and casual one of his music now, I really enjoyed reading about his Spiritual searches and his letters to Oral Roberts etc...Only God knows his inner heart for sure. After all, he left as a victim not a perpetrator.
But even if you guessed right, don't you know how Catholicism works? Purgatory, prayers for the dead, etc... Wouldn't that explain it?
Somebody want to help me here before I start stepping on Catholic toes.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 10:26:10 AM
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Considering where Lennon is probably residing, i doubt the Vatican's forgiveness is much comfort to him.
now now, judge and jury we are not, lol.
As a past Lenon fan and casual one of his music now, I really enjoyed reading about his Spiritual searches and his letters to Oral Roberts etc...Only God knows his inner heart for sure. After all, he left as a victim not a perpetrator.
But even if you guessed right, don't you know how Catholicism works? Purgatory, prayers for the dead, etc... Wouldn't that explain it?
Somebody want to help me here before I start stepping on Catholic toes.
I really do hope someone explains this one.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 10:39:22 AM
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Anybody remember the Alvin & The Chipmunks episode/special where Alvin boasted that they were more popular than Mickey Mouse?
-Dan.
Having not seen the show in over 5 years, my memories of it are vague. But I did remember seeing that episode once.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 11:06:49 AM
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Anybody remember the Alvin & The Chipmunks episode/special where Alvin boasted that they were more popular than Mickey Mouse?
-Dan.
That is so funny!!!
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 11:52:58 AM
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Does anybody have a link to the actual editorial? One thing that I have learned over the years is that you cannot trust the main stream media to necessarily translate the things that the Vatican says correctly. Sometimes it is a simple translation issue, other times you have to wonder is there is some sort of bias at work in the media. But to really understand what was said, we would have to know exactly what was said and who said it.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 12:29:43 PM
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John Lennon needs the Roman Catholic Churches forgiveness about as much as Eric Clapton needs a guitar lesson!
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 12:32:31 PM
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I have been inspired by their act. I, therefore I forgive John Lennon for his worst transgression: Yoko Ono.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 12:45:04 PM
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John Lennon needs the Roman Catholic Churches forgiveness about as much as Eric Clapton needs a guitar lesson!
Why does the RCC feel it is their obligation to forgive John Lennon. Obviously he did not ask them to forgive him. I just do not understand where they are coming from on this one.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 1:33:16 PM
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Considering where Lennon is probably residing, i doubt the Vatican's forgiveness is much comfort to him.
now now, judge and jury we are not, lol.
As a past Lenon fan and casual one of his music now, I really enjoyed reading about his Spiritual searches and his letters to Oral Roberts etc...Only God knows his inner heart for sure. After all, he left as a victim not a perpetrator.
But even if you guessed right, don't you know how Catholicism works? Purgatory, prayers for the dead, etc... Wouldn't that explain it?
Somebody want to help me here before I start stepping on Catholic toes.
I really do hope someone explains this one.
I was going to try and explain it until I realized that I no idea what was being said!!
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 4:54:07 PM
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Why does the RCC feel it is their obligation to forgive John Lennon. Obviously he did not ask them to forgive him. I just do not understand where they are coming from on this one.
I don't think that the "RCC" actually was doing any forgiving here. It appears that an editorial writer decided to do some forgiving, which is kind of like someone on this board forgiving John Lennon. I highly doubt that the Pope or anyone else in the hierarchy probably spent much time thinking about whether John Lennon needs to be forgiven. Until we see what was actually written and by whom, we can't really say much.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 7:59:05 PM
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That caterwauling she does should be used as a torture device.
Too cruel and unusual. Plus, I think being forced to listen to Yoko sing is barred by the Geneva Convention.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 8:05:08 PM
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That caterwauling she does should be used as a torture device.
Too cruel and unusual. Plus, I think being forced to listen to Yoko sing is barred by the Geneva Convention.
LOL
As they say beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. In this case I think Lennon had a hearing problem.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 8:45:44 PM
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As they say beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. In this case I think Lennon had a hearing problem.
Yea, and he couldn't see too well either. Yoko wasn't exactly any easier on the eyes than she was on the ears.
Wasn't there also a conspiracy theory that she was working for one of the communist governments?
Personal opinion, the Catholic church has a bureaucracy, right?
Bureaucracies need to find justification for their continued existence. So occasionally the bureaucracy needs something to do. So John Lennon gets forgiven.
Another personal opinion, they should take whoever wrote this thing and find something useful for him to do. Like digging wells in South America or Africa or something. Because being "stuck on stupid" isn't glorifying to God.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 8:54:37 PM
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From Yahoo Music:
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"The remark by John Lennon, which triggered deep indignation mainly in the United States, after many years sounds only like a 'boast' by a young working-class Englishman faced with unexpected success, after growing up in the legend of Elvis and rock and roll," Vatican daily Osservatore Romano said.
The article, marking the 40th anniversary of the Beatles' The White Album, went on to praise the pop band.
"The fact remains that 38 years after breaking up, the songs of the Lennon-McCartney brand have shown an extraordinary resistance to the passage of time, becoming a source of inspiration for more than one generation of pop musicians," it said.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 10:25:26 PM
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I could really care less about what the RCC says or does. I was just wondering if Lennon was trying to be disrespectful of Jesus when he made that comment or was he just stating what might have been a fact at the time. THe Beatles were extremely popular.
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RE: John Lennon is forgiven??? - 11/24/2008 11:30:00 PM
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Acts29
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I could really care less about what the RCC says or does. I was just wondering if Lennon was trying to be disrespectful of Jesus when he made that comment or was he just stating what might have been a fact at the time. THe Beatles were extremely popular.
According to the articles written afterward, he was relating to their popularity at the time. He was always on a spiritual search. I am not sure if he ever found it though.
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