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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/25/2008 12:53:29 AM
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womaninchrist
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My Russian Professor was someone who escaped Siberia at the end of WWII while Stalin was in power. She was quite outspoken about politics to put it mildly. What she - and for that matter other Russians that I've since met - consistently mentioned as examples of parallels between modern/current America and the Stalinist Soviet Union wasn't the concentration of wealth but the concentration of power, how government ignores the people and their true needs, the intrusive manners in which the government surveys its citizens (I graduated in 1992 and the whole time that I was in college, it was common knowlege that the FBI surveilled her classes and students - esp. anyone completing at least a minor - because they considered her to have "known KGB contacts" since many of the Russian speaking envoys that came to the Ag School to learn about farming or animal stuff would drop by to have a convo with someone who actually spoke their language), the rumors of "prison camps" for mostly political prisoners at "undisclosed locations and - most obviously - the propaganda and use of "politically correct" ways of speech. These sorts of things all chilled her to the bone and she'd been out of the USSR for close to 50 years.
As was said around the time of our nation's founding (though I may be paraphrasing): a people who will give up freedom for security deserves neither. (And history shows they often lose both to a tyrant or dictator of the most awful sort...)
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/25/2008 10:07:26 AM
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demolay
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In fact, it came closer than it had in the past 25-30 years in the wake of September 11th, when the President:
-Detained people without warrant, trial, or court supervision, including US citizens
-Tortured various detained people for the good of society (wasn't that how the Fascists justified things?)
-Tried to justify this practice.
-Tried to clamp down on the media.
I don't understand what the big deal is about this. Hasn't far worse occured in the past without any lasting detriment to our "rights"? Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus at the outset of the civil war, and kept U.S. citizens captured on the field of battle in camps without warrant, trail, or court supervision. Likewise FDR rounded up every Japanese-descent U.S. citizen and did the same; ran POW camps for axis prisoners in like manner; and when German spys/terrorists were captured on U.S. soil, they were not held indefenitely in "Gitmo" or anywhere else, they were taken out and shot after a quick military tribunal trial.
And FDR did not _try_ to clamp down on the media, he _did_ clamp down. Media censorship became a practiced art; even the letters GI's sent home were censored before being delivered. How would you scream today if _every_ form of communication coming in/out of this country first had to be approved by a government censor?
And yet, somehow, the wars ended, rights were restored to all, and democracy flourished in America.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/25/2008 10:12:14 AM
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blessedinnyc
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ORIGINAL: demolay
I don't understand what the big deal is about this. Hasn't far worse occured in the past without any lasting detriment to our "rights"? Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus at the outset of the civil war, and kept U.S. citizens captured on the field of battle in camps without warrant, trail, or court supervision. Likewise FDR rounded up every Japanese-descent U.S. citizen and did the same; ran POW camps for axis prisoners in like manner; and when German spys/terrorists were captured on U.S. soil, they were not held indefenitely in "Gitmo" or anywhere else, they were taken out and shot after a quick military tribunal trial.
Absolutely, and the Democrats haven't even tried anything like this yet, and they are being accused of trying to set up a fascist dictatorship.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/25/2008 10:33:43 AM
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To think the Dems could organize themselves do so gives them waaaaay too much credit. 
Haha! That, too.
If your party has Steny Hoyer, Al Sharpton, Robert Byrd, and Dennis Kucinich in it, I don't care whether you control Congress; you are still an opposition party.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/26/2008 3:46:50 AM
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© 2008 WorldNetDaily
Whenever you see this line in a quoted article, that tells you it's safe to ignore.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/26/2008 11:14:17 AM
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Marcus.
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Looks like they actually took the info from Amazon or the book. So I wouldn't brush it off so fast.
From Amazon:quote:
The main preoccupation of my parents during the Nazi years was to save us children from Nazi indoctrination says Hilmar von Campe. At 10 years old, like every other child, he had to enter the Hitler Youth and at 18 he was conscripted into the army. He was a gunner in a tank in the Yugoslavian theatre fighting the Soviet army, became in 1945 a prisoner of war of the Communist Tito government and in the same year staged a sensational escape crossing seven borders. His reports about the Nazi years and the war are a lesson of history as he brings facts unknown to most Americans. He describes the whyit came about, his own moral responsibility and how his life changed. The Nazi system, like any other totalitarian system, he says, is based on lies. Lies are at the root of the problem in the world. You cant defeat them with money or armies but only with the truth. Hilmar compares developments in American society and in the world today with what happened in preNazi Germany and warns America to turn away now from the destructive ideological path we are on.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/26/2008 2:52:10 PM
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cow451
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ORIGINAL: Marcus.
Looks like they actually took the info from Amazon or the book. So I wouldn't brush it off so fast.
From Amazon:quote:
The main preoccupation of my parents during the Nazi years was to save us children from Nazi indoctrination says Hilmar von Campe. At 10 years old, like every other child, he had to enter the Hitler Youth and at 18 he was conscripted into the army. He was a gunner in a tank in the Yugoslavian theatre fighting the Soviet army, became in 1945 a prisoner of war of the Communist Tito government and in the same year staged a sensational escape crossing seven borders. His reports about the Nazi years and the war are a lesson of history as he brings facts unknown to most Americans. He describes the whyit came about, his own moral responsibility and how his life changed. The Nazi system, like any other totalitarian system, he says, is based on lies. Lies are at the root of the problem in the world. You cant defeat them with money or armies but only with the truth. Hilmar compares developments in American society and in the world today with what happened in preNazi Germany and warns America to turn away now from the destructive ideological path we are on.
Note to Marcus. Amazon sells books. In fact WorldNut sells books, too.
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