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Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 11:45:57 AM
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Marcus.
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Every day brings this nation closer to Nazi-style totalitarian abyss
Posted: November 13, 2008
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© 2008 WorldNetDaily
WASHINGTON – Because it has abandoned moral absolutes and its historic Christian faith, the U.S. is moving closer to a Nazi-style totalitarianism, warns a former German member of the Hitler Youth in a new book. "Every day brings this nation closer to a Nazi-style totalitarian abyss," writes Hilmar von Campe, now a U.S. citizen, and author of "Defeating the Totalitarian Lie: A Former Hitler Youth Warns America." Von Campe has founded the national Institute for Truth and Freedom to fight for a return to constitutional government in the U.S. – a key, he believes, to keeping America free.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 12:11:56 PM
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Let the liberal excuses begin!
"That could NEVER happen in America" blah blah blah, wash, rinse, repeat.
It doesn't matter how much reason you use with the libs, Marcus, they never have and probably never will learn from their failed policies until we find our nation in ruins.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 12:23:00 PM
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The John Birch Society is a right wing organization. I remember them running an ad in a magazine many years ago depicting a likeness of Hitler superimposed on the face of the Statue of Liberty. The caption read "It can never happen here!". It can happen anywhere. Historically, communism is representative of the far left, fascism or national socialism is representative of the far right. Nazi Germany was anything but liberal.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 12:42:52 PM
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The truth is there isn't much difference between the extreme far right or far left. The outcomes are about the same, millions of dead people.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 4:05:26 PM
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Anyone who believes this nonsense must know absolutely nothing about post WWI European history in general and specifically the Wiemar Republic. Post WWI Germany was devastated by it's defeat and the Great Depression and humiliated by the restrictive Treaty of Versailles.
I defy anyone to find a single parallel between the Wiemar Republic and the current US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 4:46:42 PM
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My understanding of the article was that it centered on the rise to power of the Nazis and how they influenced the German society post 1933 after the Weimar Republic. How the Nazi's broke down the old societal norms and replaced them with their own.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 4:54:13 PM
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That pattern is pretty much the same oh how totalitarian regimes are able to come to power.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 5:56:39 PM
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Let the liberal excuses begin!
"That could NEVER happen in America" blah blah blah, wash, rinse, repeat.
It doesn't matter how much reason you use with the libs, Marcus, they never have and probably never will learn from their failed policies until we find our nation in ruins.
Oh, it certainly could happen.
In fact, it came closer than it had in the past 25-30 years in the wake of September 11th, when the President:
-Detained people without warrant, trial, or court supervision, including US citizens
-Tortured various detained people for the good of society (wasn't that how the Fascists justified things?)
-Tried to justify this practice.
-Tried to clamp down on the media.
The evil far-left Democrats that are often demeaned on this forum for standing up for the rights of terrorists and are now being accused of trying to set up a dictatorship helped stop this process from going too far by bringing it to the attention of the public.
So you're absolutely right- we could have another right-wing dictatorship. In order for us to even start talking about a left-wing dictatorship, though, we would have to talk about the Democrats getting about as organized as the Republicans. For the past 35 or 40 years, the Dems have been a hodge-podge of different ideologies and personalities that could never really agree quite as easily as the Republicans. Don't believe me? Look no further than the GM bail-out that Nancy Pelosi supported but the Blue Dog Democrats blocked.
The only difference between the Democrats today and the Republicans back in 2000 is that the Democrats are a party that is less organized, agrees on fewer things, and is still in the midst of transition. But yes, we should be on guard against the Feds abridging civil rights or justifying otherwise illegal and immoral things for the good of society.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 6:07:02 PM
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Lots of people from communist Russia have told Glen Beck we are moving into Communism or something worse . They say they see the signs. But as Manimal said, let the excuses begin. Everyone thinks our economy sucks b/c the 'rich' keep getting richer (well, that's b/c they work 7 days a week. Imagine that!!) and they don't thing that's fair.  Even though they refuse to work longer than 40 hours a week, insist on having an hour for lunch and at 4 weeks vacation. I hate to see our country move into that direction, but as long as folks think communism and totalitarian is the answer, then we don't stand a chance. I'm just hoping by the time those folks take over, I'll be in Florida in a retirement home. Let the young worry about it. :(
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ORIGINAL: Marcus.
Every day brings this nation closer to Nazi-style totalitarian abyss
Posted: November 13, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
WASHINGTON – Because it has abandoned moral absolutes and its historic Christian faith, the U.S. is moving closer to a Nazi-style totalitarianism, warns a former German member of the Hitler Youth in a new book. "Every day brings this nation closer to a Nazi-style totalitarian abyss," writes Hilmar von Campe, now a U.S. citizen, and author of "Defeating the Totalitarian Lie: A Former Hitler Youth Warns America." Von Campe has founded the national Institute for Truth and Freedom to fight for a return to constitutional government in the U.S. – a key, he believes, to keeping America free.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 6:26:47 PM
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Lots of people from communist Russia have told Glen Beck we are moving into Communism or something worse . They say they see the signs. But as Manimal said, let the excuses begin. Everyone thinks our economy sucks b/c the 'rich' keep getting richer (well, that's b/c they work 7 days a week. Imagine that!!) and they don't thing that's fair. Even though they refuse to work longer than 40 hours a week, insist on having an hour for lunch and at 4 weeks vacation. I hate to see our country move into that direction, but as long as folks think communism and totalitarian is the answer, then we don't stand a chance. I'm just hoping by the time those folks take over, I'll be in Florida in a retirement home. Let the young worry about it. :(
I agree. I think 5 year olds should be working making clothing again and all kids should be working full work weeks by age 10. This will allow us to shut down all public schools and let the good natured and warmhearted rich people send their kids to private schools. I believe a full work week should be 84 hours with no paid vacations, sick time or restroom breaks. There's a floor or ground or something where you work. We should get rid of OSHA that way employers can kill off various workers to decrease the surplus population. Do away with any kind of minimum wage everyone will work for $.10 a day and if you happen to work more than your 12 hours you will re-imburse your employer $.05 per hour to cover the cost of expenses such as the lights and the extra water to clean up the urine and feces you left in your work area. Everyone will be required to live in 1 room shanty towns belonging to their employer. These towns will have no running water, electricity, hospitals, gas or heating oil stations since we will have abolished taxes on the rich because they are so important.
That sounds awesome Dancre I like how you think. : )
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 8:09:34 PM
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Boy, I shoulda beena Prophet.
Excuse. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Bush lied, people died. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Yawn.
The problem with a post like rlj's is that he is taking an example of where we will be far down the line and pretending that his example is the first step in the process. rlj's description is of the destination to which our current steps will lead us. The first steps are what this thread and ALL of the numerous warnings are about.
It is just like the adage of the frog who sits in a pot of water as the heat is slowly turned up: he doesn't feel the temperature increasing until he is already frog soup. All the while his frog buddies are yelling into the pot: "Jump out! Jump out!", but the frog is comfortable in his nice pot of water and ignores their warnings.
People who LIVED through communism and totalitarian take-overs are giving wise counsel and warning. We would do well to heed them before our pot begins to boil.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 8:42:59 PM
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It is just like the adage of the frog who sits in a pot of water as the heat is slowly turned up: he doesn't feel the temperature increasing until he is already frog soup. All the while his frog buddies are yelling into the pot: "Jump out! Jump out!", but the frog is comfortable in his nice pot of water and ignores their warnings.
First of all what I mentioned was how things were done in this country up until around the time of the Great Depression. A simple perusal of US history would tell you this. This was the era when those 10 year old immigrants put in their 70+ hours a week and made sure they thanked their employers for a job so they could have a room to sleep and an occasional meal.
However what you are saying is why I was against the Patriot Act but that made me a leftist. It is why I'm against the changes in passport laws but that makes me a leftist. It's why I am against arresting people in this country or anyone else and holding them without charges or trial or nothing more than a sham trial (as was popular in the 1930s in Communist Russia and Nazi Germany) but hey, that makes me a leftist. It's why I was always against negative tax liability masquerading as tax cuts but that made me a leftist. It is why I have been so vehmently against the rise in government spending and programs such as NCLB, the change in regional Food Bank eligibility and the record high budgets this govenrment has achieved since Clinton left office but hey, I'm a leftist. It is why I was the only one who posted against Dubyas free welfare check masquerading as a stimulus package over in the Dubya thread but hey I'm a leftist. Finnally though with over 1 trillion in bailouts signed by our Republican President and many more on the way people finnally are realizing that this country is ludicrously far to the left.
Welcome to the left. I was getting lonely over here.
You will find that the point of what the man who lived through the Nazi regime had to say was about christian morals and absolutes of which neither party really endorses. Sure the Republicans aren't as bad as the Democrats but really does it matter? In the end neither party governs as if they are christian and the people no longer seem to care. That is what the man is saying pushed Germany over the edge.
The proof of victory in socialism isn't the fact that the Dems control the presidency, both houses and will probably get a filibuster proof Senate. It is in the fact that the Republicans are socialist to. Take a good long hard look at the Republican record from Jan. of 2001 through now and forget the dems exist. There's two gears to Socialism- the Republicans are getting us there in 3rd and the Dems will get us there in Turbo. Both gears will take us to the same place and it is our lack of absolutes that will guide our way.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 8:44:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: Marcus.
My understanding of the article was that it centered on the rise to power of the Nazis and how they influenced the German society post 1933 after the Weimar Republic. How the Nazi's broke down the old societal norms and replaced them with their own.
Even more absurd. Read the last 4 sections of this:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/index.html
and find me a single parallel between Hitlers rise to power and the current situation on the US.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 9:06:27 PM
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Bush lied, people died. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Yawn.
Do you defend him? I don't take issue with the fact that Bush got the intelligence royally screwed up. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that. I take issue with the fact that he moved to curtail peoples' rights. Many Democrats have opposed this, and that is part of the reason why they now control Congress.
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The problem with a post like rlj's is that he is taking an example of where we will be far down the line and pretending that his example is the first step in the process. rlj's description is of the destination to which our current steps will lead us. The first steps are what this thread and ALL of the numerous warnings are about.
Hmmm, sort of like the view that if the left takes over, our kids will be joining the Hitler Youth?
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 10:58:13 PM
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Anyone who believes this nonsense must know absolutely nothing about post WWI European history in general and specifically the Wiemar Republic. Post WWI Germany was devastated by it's defeat and the Great Depression and humiliated by the restrictive Treaty of Versailles.
I defy anyone to find a single parallel between the Wiemar Republic and the current US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic
Give it time and you'll see one economically
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/23/2008 11:58:03 PM
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Remember, FDR did much more than Bush, and the government, are doing now.
So far, its been effective. No one I know has been affected by the Patriot Act. No one here has been.
Are we headed to a Nazi state? I doubt it. Are we headed toward socialism? Well, right now no one knows.
I can tell you where we are. We are extremely afraid. That...does not bode well for our country. Right now its not what is going to happen that frightens us as much as what we think is going to happen and to reassure us all I will make this statement.
Obama in his best dream could not match the charisma or political clout Hitler had. He does not have the goons to force political change. He did not have a nation's apathy at the polling booths. He does not have starving people looking for a scapegoat to their problesm.
He is trying to be a Hitler, but he culd never measure up. He has an economic situation, one that cannot in any way be compared to pre-Hitler Germany.
He has his scapegoat, the evil rich.
However we are too comfortable to give him the power he craves. If unemployment goes up to 35%...maybe. If we are attacked by a nuke...maybe.
Until then, don't let your fear control you.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/24/2008 12:26:22 AM
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He is trying to be a Hitler, but he culd never measure up. He has an economic situation, one that cannot in any way be compared to pre-Hitler Germany.
Can we lower the level of paranoia about 1-2 notches? Or can we at least go back to calling B. Hussein O. the Antichrist?
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/24/2008 1:08:53 AM
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This is the wonderful thing about different points of view. We all see things a bit differently. I don't see the article talking about us moving into Nazism. He was comparing the loss of concrete moral beliefs for moral relativism that the Nazis ushered in. Then the change of the society that that led to. I don't think that is absurd.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/24/2008 8:02:57 AM
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This is the wonderful thing about different points of view. We all see things a bit differently. I don't see the article talking about us moving into Nazism. He was comparing the loss of concrete moral beliefs for moral relativism that the Nazis ushered in. Then the change of the society that that led to. I don't think that is absurd.
Yep.
Just look at the change in public education over the last 50 yrs. The last 25 yrs.
Look at movies. We have changed, and to think more wonderful change is on the way.
Please Lord, frogive and help us.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/24/2008 8:51:40 AM
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Until then, don't let your fear control you.
Very wise words indeed.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/24/2008 9:12:41 AM
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Can we lower the level of paranoia about 1-2 notches?
What was paranoid about what I said? I said Obama could not be a Hitler because he isn't an effective leader. The only comparison I made with Hitler was Obama falls short.
Thats not paranoia. Its fact.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/24/2008 1:10:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: Marcus.
Every day brings this nation closer to Nazi-style totalitarian abyss
Posted: November 13, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
WASHINGTON – Because it has abandoned moral absolutes and its historic Christian faith, the U.S. is moving closer to a Nazi-style totalitarianism, warns a former German member of the Hitler Youth in a new book. "Every day brings this nation closer to a Nazi-style totalitarian abyss," writes Hilmar von Campe, now a U.S. citizen, and author of "Defeating the Totalitarian Lie: A Former Hitler Youth Warns America." Von Campe has founded the national Institute for Truth and Freedom to fight for a return to constitutional government in the U.S. – a key, he believes, to keeping America free.
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I certainly think his observation about how Christians failed to be concerned about their government's trampling of civil liberties is pertinent. Many, if not most evangelicals would be indifferent, if not outright supportive of the federal government should it reduce the rights of a minority group that could be blamed for any problems, versus addressing those problems directly. So, be advised, Latinos and Muslims.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/24/2008 1:16:25 PM
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Restricting rights is a loosing proposition. It transfers more power to bureaucracies that normally won't relinquish it later. I don't like the idea of restricting rights when individuals should be held accountable instead for their own criminal activity.
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RE: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America - 11/24/2008 1:29:28 PM
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Restricting rights is a loosing proposition. It transfers more power to bureaucracies that normally won't relinquish it later. I don't like the idea of restricting rights when individuals should be held accountable instead for their own criminal activity.
No Hitler Youth medal for you.
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