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RE: Jason Upton Singing With An Angel? - 11/27/2008 9:45:31 PM
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SirWintery
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If you have the faith to believe that all things are possible with God, then who know what you might see.
The history of fakery with recordings and radio and audio devices is well known. I won't ignore this on the suggestion that a lack of faith prevents me from seeing it as "angelic".
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RE: Jason Upton Singing With An Angel? - 11/29/2008 1:08:39 AM
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How do you account then for all the places in scripture where angels, (who are messesgers from God) have appeared with a message or instructions for a certain purpose.
What message or instruction did Upton's angel bring?
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I play guitar on the worship team, and there have been times when it felt like some one other than myself was playing my guitar. Literally like some one or something else was moving my hands.
Where in scripture have you found angels possessing human bodies? If you cannot find valid examples of angel possession, then what were you really experiencing?
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I'm not here to question what others experience during worship, I just know what I have experienced.
Why aren't you questioning these things? Experience doesn't make anything truth and God commands us to test the spirits. That means you have to question, discern, compare to scripture, and make judgments.
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chasbeck1: Our worship team spent several evenings after the conference talking with Jason and His team. Much of the time we talked about the angel experience.
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Kat_D: And herein lies the BIG problem. The majority of your time together was spent discussing "the angel experience."
That's exactly what stood out to me, too.
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RE: Jason Upton Singing With An Angel? - 12/11/2008 11:03:21 PM
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When I first heard one of Jasons Songs -In Your Presence- Tears filled my eyes. He has a God given talent and uses it to spread a longing to be closer with Christ. I do not understand all the negative notions brewed towards this man and the mention of false doctrines, loonies, and the like. I am Lutheran and from what I know of the man is he Loves the Lord with all his heart, mind & Soul and seems to Love his neighbors as himself.
That is what Christ said was the most important thing we could do...
So, if in all honesty people believe there was something beyond natural happening that day & that something beyond natural got recorded on that song. God Bless them. The Bible is filled with folks who were considered abnormal- who saw & did amazing things. I fear we have conditioned ourselves to drowned out the voice of God, Angels, or anything that may carry a hint of the Divine.
Peace.......
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RE: Jason Upton Singing With An Angel? - 12/12/2008 12:04:19 PM
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I fear we have conditioned ourselves to drowned out the voice of God, Angels, or anything that may carry a hint of the Divine.
Some have "conditioned" themselves to take anything that comes out of the new apostolic/elijah list/joyner/bickle/engle crowd without question. For example, what would cause you to endorse Upton as someone who "Loves the Lord with all his heart, mind & Soul and seems to Love his neighbors as himself." while deciding that those critical have "drowned out the voice of God, Angels, or anything that may carry a hint of the Divine."? Could it be your mind is made up without turning on critical thinking regarding these matters? ...just for your consideration
And I was thinking that no matter how many times gold dust is exposed as roll-on glitter or angel feathers begin to quack, the myths keep rolling on, the facts notwithstanding.
And yes God can work supernaturally including sending angels, but not to sing on recordings to no purpose but to boost the notoriety of the recording.
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RE: Jason Upton Singing With An Angel? - 12/12/2008 5:19:15 PM
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For example, what would cause you to endorse Upton as someone who "Loves the Lord with all his heart, mind & Soul and seems to Love his neighbors as himself." while deciding that those critical have "drowned out the voice of God, Angels, or anything that may carry a hint of the Divine."? Could it be your mind is made up without turning on critical thinking regarding these matters?
Sorry if you took my comments as judging people who didn't care for Jason Uptons religious affiliations. I did not mean anyone critical of Jason was drowning out the voice of God, etc. Judging was the issue I have of this type of thread. My point was if people (Jason) "in all honesty" (meaning they believe they are telling the truth), saw or heard something that was beyond natural. Perhaps we should not be quick to judge them as loony, using that to make a buck or promote an album. Of course, I am just a fan of Jasons. I'm not a Charismatic or Prophetic type. Just a newbie here who is surprised at the amount of negativity I find on a Christian forum. So, if you have facts or information you could point to that shows Jason is not being truthful and using it for personal gain. Then, I would be disappointed and think differently of him as an authentic Christian out to do the Lords work...
My mind is made up only to the point of the knowledge I hold at a specific time.
Peace...
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RE: Jason Upton Singing With An Angel? - 12/13/2008 7:49:59 AM
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For example, what would cause you to endorse Upton as someone who "Loves the Lord with all his heart, mind & Soul and seems to Love his neighbors as himself." while deciding that those critical have "drowned out the voice of God, Angels, or anything that may carry a hint of the Divine."? Could it be your mind is made up without turning on critical thinking regarding these matters?
Sorry if you took my comments as judging people who didn't care for Jason Uptons religious affiliations. I did not mean anyone critical of Jason was drowning out the voice of God, etc. Judging was the issue I have of this type of thread. My point was if people (Jason) "in all honesty" (meaning they believe they are telling the truth), saw or heard something that was beyond natural. Perhaps we should not be quick to judge them as loony, using that to make a buck or promote an album. Of course, I am just a fan of Jasons. I'm not a Charismatic or Prophetic type. Just a newbie here who is surprised at the amount of negativity I find on a Christian forum. So, if you have facts or information you could point to that shows Jason is not being truthful and using it for personal gain. Then, I would be disappointed and think differently of him as an authentic Christian out to do the Lords work...
My mind is made up only to the point of the knowledge I hold at a specific time.
Peace...
Let me respond in this way..."Hey I just used the recording software on my computer to record a song. Surprise! I hear an angel when I play it back! Would you like to buy one?"
Now are you going to doubt my sincerity and what would be the criteria for that doubt? See, there is much more to it than "negativity", but thank you for your response.
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RE: Jason Upton Singing With An Angel? - 12/13/2008 10:04:17 PM
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..."Hey I just used the recording software on my computer to record a song. Surprise! I hear an angel when I play it back! Would you like to buy one?"
Now are you going to doubt my sincerity and what would be the criteria for that doubt?
Hmmmmm....how about "Hey, we're some Church elders and we put together some books. Suprise, the words were inspired by God! Would you like to buy one?"
Sorry, couldn't resist. Plus I doubt Bibles were sold originally. But, you could give a case that they were created for another agenda to provide personal gain for those involved. Either way, most analogies come up short. Sounds like your mind is made up as well, that Jason was not honest and is using the Angel angle for personal gain.
I'm no expert on Jason and he very well may have. But, there's nothing I've seen that indicates he's not 100% dedicated to giving the glory to God. So again, perhaps you can point me to something that shows he is a selfish man who would use trickery to make a buck. Until then, I'll take him by the fruits he's sown that I know of.
As far as the Angels singing- I have my doubts and would probably lean towards saying it was some type of audio anomaly. But, I would never rule out the possibility that it was something beyond our comprehension.
If I were a gambling man- Between our intelligence being so superior that we can easily explain away anything Godly VS our intelligence is that of an infant in the great cosmos of understanding. My money is on that we are cosmic idiots that rarely touch the true spiritual aspects of our minds.
With that, I need to go now and watch the Simpsons. Just kidding...
I'm sure there's a good show on the Discovery channel that is trying to
explain away another Biblical event.
Peace.....
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RE: Jason Upton Singing With An Angel? - 12/13/2008 10:41:17 PM
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I had a longer reply that I had opted not to give earlier - here's part of it. There are a number of threads that have and will come up regarding the New Apostolic/Latter Rain/Elijah List/Joyner/Bickle types that Upton associates with. If you are actually an objective newcomer to these matters it will take time to read all that is available even on the forum here about this.
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RE: Jason Upton Singing With An Angel? - 12/14/2008 3:09:58 AM
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Let me respond in this way..."Hey I just used the recording software on my computer to record a song. Surprise! I hear an angel when I play it back! Would you like to buy one?"
Now are you going to doubt my sincerity and what would be the criteria for that doubt? See, there is much more to it than "negativity", but thank you for your response.
As I've said before . . whether it was an angel or not . .
Upton himself never used it as a selling point.
At least give the guy some credit where credit is due.
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RE: Jason Upton Singing With An Angel? - 12/14/2008 8:54:10 AM
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Let me respond in this way..."Hey I just used the recording software on my computer to record a song. Surprise! I hear an angel when I play it back! Would you like to buy one?"
Now are you going to doubt my sincerity and what would be the criteria for that doubt? See, there is much more to it than "negativity", but thank you for your response.
As I've said before . . whether it was an angel or not . .
Upton himself never used it as a selling point.
At least give the guy some credit where credit is due.
Hey Ben, you know I love you, but..."Someone else said there's an angel singing on my album. I can't help that. Would you like to buy one?"
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RE: Jason Upton Singing With An Angel? - 12/14/2008 8:59:11 PM
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Right. He should have told no one to buy his album. My bad.
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RE: Jason Upton Singing With An Angel? - 12/15/2008 10:42:55 AM
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SirWintery
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Right. He should have told no one to buy his album. My bad.
Actually he should look at the long line of fake angel recordings and expose and renounce the nonsense. Saying that an angel is on the recording is absolutely the same as promoting it for personal gain...there is no not promoting it unless he does renounce the angel claims and denounce the perpetrators.
This is _exactly_ the kind of conversation you can have--and in fact I have had--with the promoters of "bigfoot" recordings. Something made a sound so you can't deny it's real. Wrong. Sounds can be created or altered, by speed, tone, eq tweaking, combining sounds and more.
An angel would sing on Upton's recording giving "God's" endorsement to it because why? Because he's a Latter Rain favorite helping to lead God's people down the road to a sixty-six percent "best" prophecy experience?
Angels don't show up in humble places with people with a child-like trust in God, do they? It's always at a highly promoted conference with lovers of "the supernatural", whatever that is...even if it's water dripping from a ceiling tile, don't question it. To question would be to become disillusioned regarding "the supernatural".
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