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The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 9:33:03 AM
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550 metric tons of it removed from Iraq. 
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 10:31:25 AM
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And people still repeat the mantra about the President lying.
Maybe it's old news, but it still seems like it's not all that well known.
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 11:05:48 AM
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And people still repeat the mantra about the President lying.
Maybe it's old news, but it still seems like it's not all that well known.
If it was all that you wanted to be, this administartion would have made a mega deal of it. They did not because it was not.
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 11:10:13 AM
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There may have been some very valid reasons that the administration did not make a big deal, like the safety of those doing the actual dirty work. Time will tell like it always does.
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 11:38:34 AM
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Listen to Cow. He's never wrong except for when he disagrees with me.
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 12:21:44 PM
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There may have been some very valid reasons that the administration did not make a big deal, like the safety of those doing the actual dirty work. Time will tell like it always does.
ROFLOL
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 12:50:35 PM
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If it was all that you wanted to be, this administartion would have made a mega deal of it.
And you know that...how, cow?
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 1:09:32 PM
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If it was all that you wanted to be, this administartion would have made a mega deal of it.
And you know that...how, cow?
With the beating these guys were taking, you think they would pass up the chance to do a big "I told you so"??????????????????????????????? No politician could resist. It makes no sense at any level that they would keep it secret because it would have given some much-needed credibility to the war (reasons given for).
July 5 marked the completion of the operation in which the United States removed 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium from Tuwaitha, the facility that once served as the center of Iraq’s nuclear activities.The uranium was then shipped to Canada. Cameco Corp., a Canadian uranium producer, bought the material and plans to enrich it, before selling it to nuclear plants worldwide. According to Cameco’s Web site, yellowcake uranium, or uranium oxide, is uranium that has been milled and mined but requires further processing before it can be used as a fuel.
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 1:38:09 PM
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And people still repeat the mantra about the President lying.
Maybe it's old news, but it still seems like it's not all that well known.
That's true, kind of like they did find WMD's in Iraq, but since it wasn't what they were originally looking for it was swept under the rug.
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Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.
"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.
Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist." Source LINK
Some may say that mustard and sarin nerve agent are not WMD's, but Iraq used them in Halabja. That attack was reported to have killed upwards of 5,000 people and injured more than 65,000. Maybe not ENOUGH people were killed by chemical cocktails to be considered WMD's, but a few thousand is enough for dead in an attack for me to call it a WMD.
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 2:13:06 PM
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And people still repeat the mantra about the President lying.
Maybe it's old news, but it still seems like it's not all that well known.
That's true, kind of like they did find WMD's in Iraq, but since it wasn't what they were originally looking for it was swept under the rug.
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Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.
"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.
Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist." Source LINK
Some may say that mustard and sarin nerve agent are not WMD's, but Iraq used them in Halabja. That attack was reported to have killed upwards of 5,000 people and injured more than 65,000. Maybe not ENOUGH people were killed by chemical cocktails to be considered WMD's, but a few thousand is enough for dead in an attack for me to call it a WMD.
These munitions were more dangerous to Iraq than anyone else. That's why the new Iraqi government was willing to sell it to Canada. Saddams people were so inept, they would have killed more of their own people just trying to move it somewhere. This stuff is nowghere near the WMD's that the administration wanted to believe. They admitted they used forged documents in making their case.
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 4:21:46 PM
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With the beating these guys were taking, you think they would pass up the chance to do a big "I told you so"???????????????????????????????
You mean like how they've made such a big deal over how the surge has succeeded? You know, the thing that no one knows about, because the media won't say anything about it?
Yeah, this administration is just oh-so-good at tooting it's own horn.
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 6:12:20 PM
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They admitted they used forged documents in making their case.
Link/source please. Seriously, have never heard of this apart from leftist wacko blogs. The data may have been wrong, but it was what everyone at the time (Clinton, Biden, Tony Blair, etc..) agreed Saddam was a threat.
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 7:50:13 PM
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They admitted they used forged documents in making their case.
Link/source please. Seriously, have never heard of this apart from leftist wacko blogs. The data may have been wrong, but it was what everyone at the time (Clinton, Biden, Tony Blair, etc..) agreed Saddam was a threat.
To clear up cow's ambiguous statement, the US government used documents that turned out to be forged (but not by the US) in making its case, even though the State Department considered the forgeries "highly suspect."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/19/2008 9:24:42 PM
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Obviously we should have waited until Saddam made enough wmd to cause damage.
That...would have been the prudent thing to do.....right? We should have trusted Saddam...he really wouldn't expand his borders....right?
Oh, that's right we fought a war to keep him from doing so. He signed an agreement that stopped that war. He broke that agreement. Wether it was one little dirty bomb or a million, he broke the agreement and in doing so, declared war upon himself.
That..is undeniable. The difference between what Bush did in Iraq and the previous administrations since the Gulf war was...keep our part of the agreement. Saddam's breaking of the cease fire agreement over and over made us look like fools and weak to our enemies and they did not fear attacking us. They saw how we handled Saddam and were encouraged to act.
They acted. Now, they suffer. I consider that a good thing. I consider Saddam's ouster a good thing. I consider Iraq's new government a good thing.
We did a good thing for good reasons...but the many paged Iraqi war thread goes to prove one thing...what people believe is more important than fact.
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/20/2008 12:20:18 AM
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Some may say that mustard and sarin nerve agent are not WMD's, but Iraq used them in Halabja. That attack was reported to have killed upwards of 5,000 people and injured more than 65,000. Maybe not ENOUGH people were killed by chemical cocktails to be considered WMD's, but a few thousand is enough for dead in an attack for me to call it a WMD.
The administration has already debunked the 500 or so shells that were found. They were pre 1991 just laying around collecting dust, melting and corroding away. Our military for example has lost tank recovery vehicles, tractor trailers, rocket propelled grenades and over 190,000 AK-47s and assorted sidearms. They were not kept in a usable condition and were obviously lost. Luckily they were never used against coalition forces unlike some of the ordnance that we have lost since we have been there.
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But defense officials said Thursday that the weapons were not considered likely to be dangerous because of their age, which they determined to be pre-1991.
Pentagon officials told NBC News that the munitions are the same kind of ordnance the U.S. military has been gathering in Iraq for the past several years, and "not the WMD we were looking for when we went in this time."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13480264/
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Link/source please. Seriously, have never heard of this apart from leftist wacko blogs. The data may have been wrong, but it was what everyone at the time (Clinton, Biden, Tony Blair, etc..) agreed Saddam was a threat.
My point in this is to show the White House said they used forged documents not that they intentionally used forged documents. It's hard to seperate the two. :P
Here is one:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Democrats are calling for an investigation into President Bush's assertion in his State of the Union address that Iraq tried to buy uranium in Africa -- a claim the White House has since admitted was erroneous.
An administration official said Bush would not have included the reference in his speech January 28 had his advisers known it was false.
But other U.S. officials said the White House had a report from a former U.S. ambassador a year before the speech that the intelligence was bogus.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/08/sprj.irq.bush.sotu/index.html
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President Bush's deputy national security adviser accepted blame today for allowing faulty intelligence to appear in the president's State of the Union speech. He took responsibility after revealing that the Central Intelligence Agency had sent him two memorandums warning that evidence about Iraqi efforts to obtain uranium in Africa was weak.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E2DD143FF930A15754C0A9659C8B63
Here a list of some sources:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/exhibits/0208/GX41301.TXT
And from World Nut Daily of all places:
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WASHINGTON – The thrust of Britain's uranium charge against Iraq, cited by President Bush in his prewar State of the Union speech, was indeed the alleged Niger procurement documents which turned out to be crude forgeries, suggests a State Department letter to Congress.
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Smith speculates that White House officials simply ignored CIA warnings to drop the spurious uranium allegation in the State of the Union speech. Why? Those 16 words were essential to conveying a sense of urgency about the alleged Iraqi threat, he says. They represented the newest thread in an otherwise old blanket of evidence recast from 1998 U.N. weapons-inspections reports and tips from Iraqi defectors who'd been out of the country for years.
"If the CIA told them to not mention the Niger business in the Cincinnati speech three months before the State of the Union, then someone at the White House knew the information was, at best, poor intelligence," Smith said.
"I think someone at the White House made it clear they wanted to make the case for war against Iraq, and the speech was slanted to try to convince as many in the U.S. as possible," he added. "The speech was written from that standpoint."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33753
Now we all know that this is totally blatantly false! Those no good liberals at World Nut Daily. :X
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/20/2008 4:45:44 AM
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Democrats are calling for an investigation into President Bush's assertion in his State of the Union address that Iraq tried to buy uranium in Africa -- a claim the White House has since admitted was erroneous.
OK so they didnt buy from Africa but they had 550 tons of the stuff so they got it somewhere.
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/20/2008 5:32:31 AM
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OK so they didnt buy from Africa but they had 550 tons of the stuff so they got it somewhere.
See post 13. It had been sitting in Iraq sealed up for years. The only secret about it was it was removed. ; )
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RE: The Yellowcake that never was... WAS! - 11/20/2008 8:41:03 AM
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My point in this is to show the White House said they used forged documents not that they intentionally used forged documents. It's hard to seperate the two. :P
Exactly - and that is a grand difference and renders Cow's statement incorrect.
Let us not forget children that it was not only President Bush and his crew that believed the documents. Bill Clinton did, Hillary Clinton did, Joe Biden did, Tony Blair did, etc etc ad nausem.
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