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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 7:13:06 PM
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lightshineon
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Hi cow, I really do not seeing him expressing things he finds as sin, different than the Christian mainstream. I like the quest speakers, like Frank Peretti, and others who have struggled. I see that he see righteousnes as judged by the word, granted I am not a loyal listener, but he seems to believe as most of us believe. Abiyah, what do you mean about abuse? I am interested in what you have to say. PaleHawk woman, I have seen so many addicted to gambling due to Indian casinos I live in Oklahoma. That includes natives, and whites. I see no good thing out of these places. Correction Abiyah, I should have read above post.
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Regarding all of you who refer to James Dobson as "Dr. Self Righteous": This reveals much about YOUR character (or lack thereof) than it does about Dr. Dobson's. Self-righteousness means that a person is confident in their OWN righteousness, and is intolerant of certain things because of it. Anyone who has ever actually taken the time to listen to Dr. Dobson, or taken the time to get to know the himself as I have, would know that this description is about as far away from truth as possible. Dr. Dobson isn't confident in his OWN righteousness, he is confident in the righteousness that is his IN CHRIST. It is from this position that it is OK to be intolerant of certain behaviors and deeds, just as Jesus was and just as Paul was.
As Christians, we ALL need to have an intolerance of sin, while loving the folks who are in that sin as best we can. That is what Dr. Dobson does. I couldn't even begin to count the number of families, marriages, and individuals he and his ministry have touched with the healing love and counsel of Christ, though I would begin by counting myself first.
Just because you disagree with a position a leader takes does not mean they are "self-righteous". For example, I respectfully disagree with Dr. Dobson about his position on gambling, but I also understand that he has had to help pick up the pieces of thousands of lives ruined by gambling addiction and therefore know why he believes as he does.
Anyhow, it saddens me to see professing Christians being so nasty to their elder and brother in Christ, a man who has spent most of his life serving and loving others, a man who has been God's instrument of healing and reconciliation to countless lives.
It is one area Dr. Self-Righteous and I have in common. Takes one to know one.
So when did mortal Christians get a free pass? He irreparably harmed the positive ministry by being seduced into the political arean, IMHO.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 7:18:30 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Abiyah, what do you mean about abuse? I am interested in what you have to say.
I am not sure what more to write here and remain within the subject. Can you be more specific?
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PaleHawk woman, I have seen so many addicted to gambling due to Indian casinos I live in Oklahoma. That includes natives, and whites. I see no good thing out of these places.
Well, the old saying continues: our forefathers took the First Nations people's land, and this is one way to take some of it back -- taking it from the mathematically-challenged!
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 7:23:51 PM
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lightshineon
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Sorry Abiyah, I read the post above after I posted. I see natives, whites, all sorts addicted to gambling. I use to one of them. I try and help a girl at work, who has left the Lord for these places. I caused chaos, and destruction in my life, as well also my families over ten years ago. It was fun and filled a void.
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Abiyah, what do you mean about abuse? I am interested in what you have to say.
I am not sure what more to write here and remain within the subject. Can you be more specific?
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PaleHawk woman, I have seen so many addicted to gambling due to Indian casinos I live in Oklahoma. That includes natives, and whites. I see no good thing out of these places.
Well, the old saying continues: our forefathers took the First Nations people's land, and this is one way to take some of it back -- taking it from the mathematically-challenged!
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 7:46:15 PM
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Dobson has done many good things in his life, but i did take him less seriously after he got overly enthusiastic with the whole "Prayer of jabez" nonsense that swept through a few years back.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/24/2008 9:37:03 AM
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It is one area Dr. Self-Righteous and I have in common. Takes one to know one.
So when did mortal Christians get a free pass? He irreparably harmed the positive ministry by being seduced into the political arean, IMHO.
Cow: Can you maybe rephrase your point here? I am not able to make sense of it, especially your first sentence. It takes one what to know one what? What kind of "free pass" are you writing about? What do you mean, "irreparably harmed the positive ministry"? Do you mean that the good his FotF ministry does is somehow negated by FotFAction being involved in politics? Because if that is what you mean, it is just silly.
I am not trying to be snide, I am asking honestly. I don't understand this reply.
1. First sentence was an attempt at self-deprecating humor
2. You were critical of those critical of other Christians (in this case Dobson). I wondered why he (or any would be exemptedfrom scrutiny)
3. Dr. Self-righteous' foray into politics did harm what was a shining ministry. I listened to FOTF frequently until the topics seemed to "focus" on getting Christians to vote his way. IMHO, he lost his way.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/24/2008 9:43:52 AM
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P31W
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don't deceive yourself into thinking that God wishes us to spend HIS money on PACs rather than on spreading HIS gospel around the world.
Like I said.
You are not God.
You did not give me a dime of money.
You do not tell me what God wants me to do with the money He entrusted to me.
God has blessed me with enough to give to both political and religious organizations. I will continue to give as "he" and not you tell me to.
The money was not used to make "gay people straight". How silly of you to even suggest something like that.
Most of the money was used to "dig this" teach what God has to say about the topic of marriage and homosexuality. You know part of that "teach them to observe all things"....and part of helping people to know what God desires of us.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/24/2008 9:50:30 AM
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P31W
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He irreparably harmed the positive ministry by being seduced into the political arean, IMHO.
Cow you are trying to be His Master and you are not allowed to be according to The Master.
We each stand along before God and we each give an account of what we have done. Who are you to judge another man's servant?
Remember that your are judging him here and his faithfulness to God.
You don't know what God told or directed him to do. He has not done anything that we can point out is a direct sin or opposition to God's word. It's one of those "gray areas" and in those areas we are not to judge.
Romans 14
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
7 For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8 If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11 It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'" 12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/24/2008 9:55:55 AM
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P31W
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Funny how Dobson is fighting against a direct sin and so many "christians" are fighting against him. 
BTW, The christian political leaders I am friends with THANK me for supporting various religious political groups. They say the "need the help and support" from these Christians groups inorder to help the general public understand what they are up against and to give them encouragment.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/24/2008 10:07:52 AM
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It is one area Dr. Self-Righteous and I have in common. Takes one to know one.
So when did mortal Christians get a free pass? He irreparably harmed the positive ministry by being seduced into the political arean, IMHO.
Cow: Can you maybe rephrase your point here? I am not able to make sense of it, especially your first sentence. It takes one what to know one what? What kind of "free pass" are you writing about? What do you mean, "irreparably harmed the positive ministry"? Do you mean that the good his FotF ministry does is somehow negated by FotFAction being involved in politics? Because if that is what you mean, it is just silly.
I am not trying to be snide, I am asking honestly. I don't understand this reply.
1. First sentence was an attempt at self-deprecating humor
2. You were critical of those critical of other Christians (in this case Dobson). I wondered why he (or any would be exemptedfrom scrutiny)
3. Dr. Self-righteous' foray into politics did harm what was a shining ministry. I listened to FOTF frequently until the topics seemed to "focus" on getting Christians to vote his way. IMHO, he lost his way.
1. Gotcha
2. There isn't much to scrutinize. Dr. Dobson is a sweet humble man who loves the Lord.
3. "Self-righteous" again... in the words of Inigo Montoya: "You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means".
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/24/2008 10:42:01 AM
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ManimalX
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You are late for the party. I already did the dictionary definition thing and you failed to respond to it. Maybe you should go back and read the whole thread?
You laugh that I write Dr. Dobson is a sweet humble man who loves the Lord? So you believe he is a sour arrogant man who despises the Lord. Gotcha. And your personal knowledge of the man allows you to come to this conclusion? Funny, my personal knowledge of and interaction with the man upholds my initial assessment. Again, your snideness and hateful words say much more about your bitter heart than they say about James Dobson. It is too bad that you filter your Christianity through your politics instead of vice-versa.
Watch that bitter root. It is hard to dig out once it grows too deep.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/24/2008 5:48:42 PM
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I just hope that the layoffs do not impact "The Truth Project" effort that they started. My wife and I are leading a small group "Tour", and think this is one of the best Bilblical worldview studies out there.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/24/2008 7:14:53 PM
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Please try and contain your excitement
I'm not excited, but I do find it extremely ironic.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/24/2008 7:22:58 PM
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karlie
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A very thick skin, a sense of humor and the ability to not take oneself too seriously.
You obviously don't know me at all, or you'd know I'm known for my silliness and wackiness around here.So the sense of humor and not taking myself too seriously is covered, thanks!
But, if gaining a "very thick skin" means name-calling and being hateful towards fellow believers just because I don't agree with their methods, then no thanks...I'm not interested!
But, by all means, carry on....
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/25/2008 8:55:40 AM
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But, if gaining a "very thick skin" means name-calling and being hateful towards fellow believers just because I don't agree with their methods
It's not about his methods it's about his biblical worldview. His teaching that biblical worldview interfere with some people ability to get their political agendas passed.
We Christians are fine as long as we don't go out there and "act" on our beliefs in any meaningful way that could effect change in the government or laws.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/25/2008 7:09:19 PM
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ManimalX
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I'm still waiting for the different definition you have discovered for "self-righteous". Please point out the post about "Christ-righteous". I looked and couldn't find it.
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Regarding all of you who refer to James Dobson as "Dr. Self Righteous": This reveals much more about YOUR character (or lack thereof) than it does about Dr. Dobson's. Self-righteousness means that a person is confident in their OWN righteousness, and is intolerant of certain things because of it. Anyone who has ever actually taken the time to listen to Dr. Dobson, or taken the time to get to know the man himself as I have, would know that this description is about as far away from truth as possible. Dr. Dobson isn't confident in his OWN righteousness, he is confident in the righteousness that is his IN CHRIST. It is from this position that it is OK to be intolerant of certain behaviors and deeds, just as Jesus was and just as Paul was.
As Christians, we ALL need to have an intolerance of sin, while loving the folks who are in that sin as best we can. That is what Dr. Dobson does. I couldn't even begin to count the number of families, marriages, and individuals he and his ministry have touched with the healing love and counsel of Christ, though I would begin by counting myself first.
Just because you disagree with a position a leader takes does not mean they are "self-righteous". For example, I respectfully disagree with Dr. Dobson about his position on gambling, but I also understand that he has had to help pick up the pieces of thousands of lives ruined by gambling addiction and therefore know why he believes as he does.
Anyhow, it saddens me to see professing Christians being so nasty to their elder and brother in Christ, a man who has spent most of his life serving and loving others, a man who has been God's instrument of healing and reconciliation to countless lives.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/25/2008 8:08:09 PM
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While I rarely agree with anything Dobson says (his recent "letter from 2012" was preposterous) I usually don't find him as objectionable as many of the other politically active right-wing fundamentalists.
I believe he crossed the line with his radio show during the 2006 election season, though. The week after the election he admitted on his own show that, like Rush Limbaugh, he had been carrying water for the Republican party on the run up to the election (saying he was sick of doing it). Part of that water carrying was having the unsavory Ann Coulter on his show for a two part interview. Coulter, who probably isn't even a Christian by most definitions used around here, has made her whole career about tearing people down. mocking them and demonizing them (Coulter freely admits this and I have witnessed her tell conservatives to look elsewhere if they want constructive ideas). A character like Coulter doesn't belong anywhere near a show like Focus on the Family -- there is nothing family friendly about that woman.
It is mighty convenient for Dobson that he can turn a half-hour radio slot from a tax-exempt Focus on the Family show to a taxable, partisan Focus on the Family Action show at a moments notice. I wonder if any of the radio stations carrying the show are given the chance to opt out of these occasional political panderings? I guess it's all legal, but it's still gaming the system.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/26/2008 9:59:37 AM
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cow451
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I'm still waiting for the different definition you have discovered for "self-righteous". Please point out the post about "Christ-righteous". I looked and couldn't find it.
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ManimalX
Regarding all of you who refer to James Dobson as "Dr. Self Righteous": This reveals much more about YOUR character (or lack thereof) than it does about Dr. Dobson's. Self-righteousness means that a person is confident in their OWN righteousness, and is intolerant of certain things because of it. Anyone who has ever actually taken the time to listen to Dr. Dobson, or taken the time to get to know the man himself as I have, would know that this description is about as far away from truth as possible. Dr. Dobson isn't confident in his OWN righteousness, he is confident in the righteousness that is his IN CHRIST. It is from this position that it is OK to be intolerant of certain behaviors and deeds, just as Jesus was and just as Paul was.
As Christians, we ALL need to have an intolerance of sin, while loving the folks who are in that sin as best we can. That is what Dr. Dobson does. I couldn't even begin to count the number of families, marriages, and individuals he and his ministry have touched with the healing love and counsel of Christ, though I would begin by counting myself first.
Just because you disagree with a position a leader takes does not mean they are "self-righteous". For example, I respectfully disagree with Dr. Dobson about his position on gambling, but I also understand that he has had to help pick up the pieces of thousands of lives ruined by gambling addiction and therefore know why he believes as he does.
Anyhow, it saddens me to see professing Christians being so nasty to their elder and brother in Christ, a man who has spent most of his life serving and loving others, a man who has been God's instrument of healing and reconciliation to countless lives.
I listened to him many years and noted the transition from ministry to politics. He definitely qualifies as self-righteous. We simply disagree.
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