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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/20/2008 11:43:33 AM
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In all, Focus pumped $539,000 in cash and another $83,000 worth of non-monetary support into the measure to overturn a California Supreme Court ruling that allowed gays and lesbians to marry in that state. The group was the seventh-largest donor to the effort in the country. The cash contributions are equal to the salaries of 19 Coloradans earning the 2008 per capita income of $29,133.
Imagine if all the money had been spent on reaching out to the gay community with the message of the gospel. Is it any wonder why homosexuals see Christians as hateful and hypocritical?
IMO, the money would have been better spent in ministries that help those who struggle with homosexuality and want help. But then again, that's not the purpose of the FOTF PAC. When you pump your money into political causes, you suffer the same economic ramifications as any other PAC when the economy is bad.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/20/2008 11:53:34 AM
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Good thing we obey God rather than a forum poster and do with His money what He tells us to do. Otherwise God may have allowed Gay and Lesbian marriage to be law in California and their preschool children exposed to the homosexual lifestyle as a "normal thing".
Unless God blessed you with the money I don't believe "you" have any right or authority from God to tell the children he did bless with it what to do. We answer to Him not you.
It makes you sound jealous.
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Is it any wonder why homosexuals see Christians as hateful and hypocritical?
Jesus said they hate us because they hate him. If they loved Jesus they would also love us.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/20/2008 12:07:47 PM
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I quit listening to FOF when they started railing on Indian tribes for gambling but had never cared before about what goes on in Indian Country. When I corresponded with one of Dr. Dobson's assistants about the issue and started mentioning some of the causes for tribes going to gaming to try to create jobs and revenues I was told that FOF didn't really concern itself with the economic issues or other problems Indians were having- they just didn't want Indians to have gaming because of the moral and economic impact on the people who would travel to the rez's and who lost their money and got addicted to gambling.
So much for caring about families... or at least caring about Native American families. FOF apparently wouldn't care if Natives all starved to death as long as we don't have casinos. If you look at the FOF website and put Native American or American Indian in the search engine, there is nothing there except on the gaming issue- nothing on how Native Americans are affected by addiction, crime, sexual abuse, domestic violence, joblessness, poverty and other things they regularly "care" about in regards to non-Indians. As far as I can determine, FOF has no outreach to Native communities and no Native American staff or ministry partners they listen to.
Added to that would be the often combative political opinions put forth by Dr. Dobson which veered off into demonizing those who do not hold to his particular views, rather than offering constructive criticism of political or social issues and guidance on how to refer to the Bible to decide the issue for oneself. Religeous leaders have no business telling their listeners or congregations how to vote. On any issue they can and should discuss the Scriptural principles and how orthodox belief compares/contrasts with an issue but leave it to the conscience of the believer how he/she should vote.
There is a very fine line between being a voice of moral conscience and being a demagogue and too many religious leaders do not know where it is. This can end up costing us our freedom to express our faith in the public forum. The First Amendment guarantees all citizens the same rights to freedom of religious belief, political affiliation, public assembly, and freedom of the press. When expressing one's views one needs to know how to do so while respecting those of others.
I am a believer in civil debate on issues with all sides being able to present their views. In fact I want to hear all sides of any issue before I make a decision. I want to know how others think and why, and I need to know what the full impact is so that I am confident that I have made the right decision in the end. Listening to someone belittle or demonize others- regardless of which side it comes from- does not advance their cause with me. Rather it tends to alienate me and makes me wonder why they can't or won't just present the facts. We all have things we feel very strongly about but passion must be secondary to fact, and no decision should be made on passion. Review the facts rationally, logically, and with emotions held in check; investigate all facts and their sources thoroughly; and when all has been entirely assessed, make one's decision based upon sound logic and then be passionate about it.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/20/2008 12:22:45 PM
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Good thing we obey God rather than a forum poster and do with His money what He tells us to do. Otherwise God may have allowed Gay and Lesbian marriage to be law in California and their preschool children exposed to the homosexual lifestyle as a "normal thing".
My bible teaches that it's MY responsibility as a parent and as a believer to teach my children what is "normal". The government is not responsible for teaching my children how to walk in the way of the Lord or how to obey HIS commandments. Your money is yours to do with as you wish. You earned it and you have the right to contribute it to whatever cause you please.
However, don't deceive yourself into thinking that God wishes us to spend HIS money on PACs rather than on spreading HIS gospel around the world. Jesus's commission was to make DISCIPLES of all nations NOT to make all gay people straight.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/20/2008 1:31:43 PM
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I agree with those of you who wrote that he is "Mr. Self-Righteous" and with those of you who dislike some of his methods, but I appreciate what he did and does to help with the prolife movement, and --
I am never happy to hear about anyone who is layed off. Good night. The next one could be you! No one is immune! To find joy in another's calamity is the lowest of lows.
Dobson has his methods, and when he asks for cash vto carry them out, he has to spend the money as the contributors say, or he would be in big trouble. If this is how the money was spent, then there is nothing to say: the contributors have spoken. I would worry more about those ministries (and it is a ministry even though Dobson is up-front about his not being a pastor) that take the money and make themselves rich.
As far as family issues and Dobson go, he let me know nearly three decades ago that he didn't give a hoot about the condition of families that abuse, so I wrote him off then. With abuse so rampant in this nation, I quickly loose interest in anyone with the kind of power he had back then, who has no interest but, instead, actually encourages abuse through his books and his stories about his dogs, toilet seats, and hairbrushes.
Like the rest of us, Dobson has his good points and his bad points. But laud layoffs after he spent money where his contributors asked him to? No.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/21/2008 9:35:47 AM
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Regarding all of you who refer to James Dobson as "Dr. Self Righteous": This reveals much more about YOUR character (or lack thereof) than it does about Dr. Dobson's. Self-righteousness means that a person is confident in their OWN righteousness, and is intolerant of certain things because of it. Anyone who has ever actually taken the time to listen to Dr. Dobson, or taken the time to get to know the man himself as I have, would know that this description is about as far away from truth as possible. Dr. Dobson isn't confident in his OWN righteousness, he is confident in the righteousness that is his IN CHRIST. It is from this position that it is OK to be intolerant of certain behaviors and deeds, just as Jesus was and just as Paul was.
As Christians, we ALL need to have an intolerance of sin, while loving the folks who are in that sin as best we can. That is what Dr. Dobson does. I couldn't even begin to count the number of families, marriages, and individuals he and his ministry have touched with the healing love and counsel of Christ, though I would begin by counting myself first.
Just because you disagree with a position a leader takes does not mean they are "self-righteous". For example, I respectfully disagree with Dr. Dobson about his position on gambling, but I also understand that he has had to help pick up the pieces of thousands of lives ruined by gambling addiction and therefore know why he believes as he does.
Anyhow, it saddens me to see professing Christians being so nasty to their elder and brother in Christ, a man who has spent most of his life serving and loving others, a man who has been God's instrument of healing and reconciliation to countless lives.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/21/2008 9:55:15 AM
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Regarding all of you who refer to James Dobson as "Dr. Self Righteous": This reveals much about YOUR character (or lack thereof) than it does about Dr. Dobson's. Self-righteousness means that a person is confident in their OWN righteousness, and is intolerant of certain things because of it. Anyone who has ever actually taken the time to listen to Dr. Dobson, or taken the time to get to know the himself as I have, would know that this description is about as far away from truth as possible. Dr. Dobson isn't confident in his OWN righteousness, he is confident in the righteousness that is his IN CHRIST. It is from this position that it is OK to be intolerant of certain behaviors and deeds, just as Jesus was and just as Paul was.
As Christians, we ALL need to have an intolerance of sin, while loving the folks who are in that sin as best we can. That is what Dr. Dobson does. I couldn't even begin to count the number of families, marriages, and individuals he and his ministry have touched with the healing love and counsel of Christ, though I would begin by counting myself first.
Just because you disagree with a position a leader takes does not mean they are "self-righteous". For example, I respectfully disagree with Dr. Dobson about his position on gambling, but I also understand that he has had to help pick up the pieces of thousands of lives ruined by gambling addiction and therefore know why he believes as he does.
Anyhow, it saddens me to see professing Christians being so nasty to their elder and brother in Christ, a man who has spent most of his life serving and loving others, a man who has been God's instrument of healing and reconciliation to countless lives.
Amen, ManimalX, and thank you for saying what needs to be said.
Once again, I'm reminded of the passage that says, in the end times, what is good will be called evil and vice-versa.
I'm also reminded of this saying: When you preach the WHOLE word of God, you get into trouble! How true, how true! And what a great reason to be in trouble and hated by the world! 
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/21/2008 10:34:35 AM
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Regarding all of you who refer to James Dobson as "Dr. Self Righteous": This reveals much about YOUR character (or lack thereof) than it does about Dr. Dobson's. Self-righteousness means that a person is confident in their OWN righteousness, and is intolerant of certain things because of it. Anyone who has ever actually taken the time to listen to Dr. Dobson, or taken the time to get to know the himself as I have, would know that this description is about as far away from truth as possible. Dr. Dobson isn't confident in his OWN righteousness, he is confident in the righteousness that is his IN CHRIST. It is from this position that it is OK to be intolerant of certain behaviors and deeds, just as Jesus was and just as Paul was.
As Christians, we ALL need to have an intolerance of sin, while loving the folks who are in that sin as best we can. That is what Dr. Dobson does. I couldn't even begin to count the number of families, marriages, and individuals he and his ministry have touched with the healing love and counsel of Christ, though I would begin by counting myself first.
Just because you disagree with a position a leader takes does not mean they are "self-righteous". For example, I respectfully disagree with Dr. Dobson about his position on gambling, but I also understand that he has had to help pick up the pieces of thousands of lives ruined by gambling addiction and therefore know why he believes as he does.
Anyhow, it saddens me to see professing Christians being so nasty to their elder and brother in Christ, a man who has spent most of his life serving and loving others, a man who has been God's instrument of healing and reconciliation to countless lives.
It is one area Dr. Self-Righteous and I have in common. Takes one to know one.
So when did mortal Christians get a free pass? He irreparably harmed the positive ministry by being seduced into the political arean, IMHO.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/21/2008 12:31:29 PM
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So many of us disagree. What's new. When I needed help dealing with the residuals of severe abuse within my birth family, the church-family, and by the church, while trying to figure out the answers for my children and grandchildren, he was not there for me and, instead, had his people send some pretty damaging stuff to me, even after I told them to stop. He continued to push is self-righteous stuff on me and my family, and his attitude was that we were the ones who were without G-d's righteousness. Smells wrong to me!
However, as I already wrote, I appreciated that he got so involved in the right-to-life movement, and supported that.
He never said his was a typical church-ministry; it was his own ministry, and he was not a preacher. He has always made that ultra clear. I have no problem, then, that he was involved in politics; however, I have only heard him maybe three times in the last 25 years.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/21/2008 6:54:59 PM
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It is one area Dr. Self-Righteous and I have in common. Takes one to know one.
So when did mortal Christians get a free pass? He irreparably harmed the positive ministry by being seduced into the political arean, IMHO.
Cow: Can you maybe rephrase your point here? I am not able to make sense of it, especially your first sentence. It takes one what to know one what? What kind of "free pass" are you writing about? What do you mean, "irreparably harmed the positive ministry"? Do you mean that the good his FotF ministry does is somehow negated by FotFAction being involved in politics? Because if that is what you mean, it is just silly.
I am not trying to be snide, I am asking honestly. I don't understand this reply.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/21/2008 7:09:56 PM
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So many of us disagree. What's new. When I needed help dealing with the residuals of severe abuse within my birth family, the church-family, and by the church, while trying to figure out the answers for my children and grandchildren, he was not there for me and, instead, had his people send some pretty damaging stuff to me, even after I told them to stop. He continued to push is self-righteous stuff on me and my family, and his attitude was that we were the ones who were without G-d's righteousness. Smells wrong to me!
However, as I already wrote, I appreciated that he got so involved in the right-to-life movement, and supported that.
He never said his was a typical church-ministry; it was his own ministry, and he was not a preacher. He has always made that ultra clear. I have no problem, then, that he was involved in politics; however, I have only heard him maybe three times in the last 25 years.
Well, as I don't know the specifics of your personal situation, I will refrain from commenting other than to say I am sorry that you found yourself in a bad situation.
You make a good point: people don't have to listen to James Dobson. He isn't a pastor, he isn't a preacher, and he isn't a government official. He is just a man trying to use his God-given abilities in an honorable way. Does he or Focus always do everything right? Of course not. But I will argue to my grave that Dr. Dobson and his ministry have helped exponentially more folks on purpose than may have been hurt or offended inadvertently or even on purpose.
If you haven't listened to the FotF radio broadcast more than three times in the last 25 years, I highly recommend you check out some of the broadcast archives. It is rarely Dr. Dobson talking for the whole program, rather he frequently features guest speakers and sermons from various pastors or teachers and it is alost always a blessing to listen. For example, this week FotF featured a talk by Lysa Terkeurst (founder and President of Proverbs 31 Ministries) in which she talked all about stuff from her book (What Happens When Women Walk in Faith) and her life. She spoke of her experiences as a girl, a Christian wife and mother, as well as her and her husband adopting two boys from Africa and bringing them into a God-fearing home. Here is a link if anyone cares to listen: http://listen.family.org/daily/A000001607.cfm#
Anyway, my point is that FotF is a ministry that offers a LOT of real help and useful advice to millions of Christians worldwide on a daily basis in the name of Jesus.
Having an honest disagreement with somebody is fine, but resorting to slander is quite another.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/21/2008 10:34:45 PM
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agreed, Manimal. I used to listen to him all the time whenever I got a chance. i still love his programs. His guests always ministered to me. I remember one time he had the story of Corey tin Boon. I cried like a baby when I heard her and was overwhelmed at her faith. I also miss the kid's program he used to do. :(
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So many of us disagree. What's new. When I needed help dealing with the residuals of severe abuse within my birth family, the church-family, and by the church, while trying to figure out the answers for my children and grandchildren, he was not there for me and, instead, had his people send some pretty damaging stuff to me, even after I told them to stop. He continued to push is self-righteous stuff on me and my family, and his attitude was that we were the ones who were without G-d's righteousness. Smells wrong to me!
However, as I already wrote, I appreciated that he got so involved in the right-to-life movement, and supported that.
He never said his was a typical church-ministry; it was his own ministry, and he was not a preacher. He has always made that ultra clear. I have no problem, then, that he was involved in politics; however, I have only heard him maybe three times in the last 25 years.
Well, as I don't know the specifics of your personal situation, I will refrain from commenting other than to say I am sorry that you found yourself in a bad situation.
You make a good point: people don't have to listen to James Dobson. He isn't a pastor, he isn't a preacher, and he isn't a government official. He is just a man trying to use his God-given abilities in an honorable way. Does he or Focus always do everything right? Of course not. But I will argue to my grave that Dr. Dobson and his ministry have helped exponentially more folks on purpose than may have been hurt or offended inadvertently or even on purpose.
If you haven't listened to the FotF radio broadcast more than three times in the last 25 years, I highly recommend you check out some of the broadcast archives. It is rarely Dr. Dobson talking for the whole program, rather he frequently features guest speakers and sermons from various pastors or teachers and it is alost always a blessing to listen. For example, this week FotF featured a talk by Lysa Terkeurst (founder and President of Proverbs 31 Ministries) in which she talked all about stuff from her book (What Happens When Women Walk in Faith) and her life. She spoke of her experiences as a girl, a Christian wife and mother, as well as her and her husband adopting two boys from Africa and bringing them into a God-fearing home. Here is a link if anyone cares to listen: http://listen.family.org/daily/A000001607.cfm#
Anyway, my point is that FotF is a ministry that offers a LOT of real help and useful advice to millions of Christians worldwide on a daily basis in the name of Jesus.
Having an honest disagreement with somebody is fine, but resorting to slander is quite another.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/21/2008 10:43:54 PM
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Wow...this thread is a perfect reminder of why I don't often frequent the C&E folder. The stench of bitterness and near-hatred is almost overwhelming. 
Dr Dobson(I do believe that is his name), may not do things my way, or the way other Christians think he should, and he may even be misguided in his methods...who knows? But he stands up for what he thinks is right, and moral, and just, according to the word of God, not his own. And for taking that stand he is called names and condemned. That sounds more like something you expect from haters of God, not fellow believers.
How very sad.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/21/2008 11:22:16 PM
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Regardless of where a person works (except in a select few occupations), I find it extremely upsetting that people are being laid off without any idea of when or if they'll be called back to work.
Just more folks on the unemployment line, and more families struggling and stressing through the winter.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 12:38:33 AM
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agreed, Manimal. I used to listen to him all the time whenever I got a chance. i still love his programs. His guests always ministered to me. I remember one time he had the story of Corey tin Boon. I cried like a baby when I heard her and was overwhelmed at her faith. I also miss the kid's program he used to do. :(
Do you mean Adventures in Odyssey? Excellent kids program that teaches some excellent morals. Did you ever hear the program with the young kid who loved AiO so much that wrote a letter to Dr. Dobson? Dr. Dobson invited him to the studio and gave him a library of every AiO episode and let him com on the broadcast? That was pretty heartwarming.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 12:57:52 PM
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Focus on the Family laying people off See story here
Please try and contain your excitement
No excitement to contain here. It's pretty disturbing when someone is excited that others are without a job, regardless of whether you agree with their principles and convictions. If you find joy this way, then I feel very sorry for you.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 6:01:11 PM
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Why do people hate focus on the family? I am serious, that puzzles me.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 6:07:37 PM
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Since you asked us, I don't hate Focus. My posts 31 and 35 tell some of why I dislike his stance toward abusing children, abused children, and "discipline." I also don't care for the way he teaches parents to be sneaky, which teaches children to be sneaky. I find his manner of "discipline" to be horrid, whether it is his child or his dachshund.
But once again, I appreciate the way Dobson faced abortion and stood his ground. I don't know how he handled the gay issue, or maybe I would have something to write about that, but according to the Bible, doing h0m0sexua1 acts is a sin, plain and simple; however, we are not to hate such people.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 6:09:12 PM
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That's it!! I loved it. I used to listen to it every Sat. Then when, I can't remember his name, a guy who played one of the main characters died, it was very sad, like I lost a very good friend.
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agreed, Manimal. I used to listen to him all the time whenever I got a chance. i still love his programs. His guests always ministered to me. I remember one time he had the story of Corey tin Boon. I cried like a baby when I heard her and was overwhelmed at her faith. I also miss the kid's program he used to do. :(
Do you mean Adventures in Odyssey? Excellent kids program that teaches some excellent morals. Did you ever hear the program with the young kid who loved AiO so much that wrote a letter to Dr. Dobson? Dr. Dobson invited him to the studio and gave him a library of every AiO episode and let him com on the broadcast? That was pretty heartwarming.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 6:10:49 PM
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For the simply reasons Dr Dobson's not doing things THEIR way, which means they are wrong, wrong, wrong. You know, the self-righteous Christian? I agree, FOTF is a great ministry. Too bad some folks can't see past their own noses to see God moving in Dobson's life.
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Why do people hate focus on the family? I am serious, that puzzles me.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 6:13:50 PM
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Since you asked us, I don't hate Focus. My posts 31 and 35 tell some of why I dislike his stance toward abusing children, abused children, and "discipline." I also don't care for the way he teaches parents to be sneaky, which teaches children to be sneaky. I find his manner of "discipline" to be horrid, whether it is his child or his dachshund.
But once again, I appreciate the way Dobson faced abortion and stood his ground. I don't know how he handled the gay issue, or maybe I would have something to write about that, but according to the Bible, doing h0m0sexua1 acts is a sin, plain and simple; however, we are not to hate such people.
Hi Covaan Meshuga.
I am curious why you think he teaches parents to be "sneaky"? I have never noticed any teachings like this, and I listen to the radio broadcast several times a week... I know honesty is pretty high on Dr. Dobson's priority list.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 6:16:22 PM
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I was thinking the same thing. What do you mean by 'sneaky' and his discipline is horrid? I've read his thoughts on discipline and wished more parents would follow his advice. Maybe if they did, kids wouldn't be so horrid. And what horrid stance does he take with abused kids? Does he tell the kids it's their fault?
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ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
Since you asked us, I don't hate Focus. My posts 31 and 35 tell some of why I dislike his stance toward abusing children, abused children, and "discipline." I also don't care for the way he teaches parents to be sneaky, which teaches children to be sneaky. I find his manner of "discipline" to be horrid, whether it is his child or his dachshund.
But once again, I appreciate the way Dobson faced abortion and stood his ground. I don't know how he handled the gay issue, or maybe I would have something to write about that, but according to the Bible, doing h0m0sexua1 acts is a sin, plain and simple; however, we are not to hate such people.
Hi Covaan Meshuga.
I am curious why you think he teaches parents to be "sneaky"? I have never noticed any teachings like this, and I listen to the radio broadcast several times a week... I know honesty is pretty high on Dr. Dobson's priority list.
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RE: Try to contain your excitment! Focus on the Family - 11/22/2008 6:47:45 PM
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Hi Covaan Meshuga.
I am curious why you think he teaches parents to be "sneaky"? I have never noticed any teachings like this, and I listen to the radio broadcast several times a week... I know honesty is pretty high on Dr. Dobson's priority list.
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I was thinking the same thing. What do you mean by 'sneaky' and his discipline is horrid? I've read his thoughts on discipline and wished more parents would follow his advice. Maybe if they did, kids wouldn't be so horrid. And what horrid stance does he take with abused kids? Does he tell the kids it's their fault?
Shall I start my answer with my appreciation for people who ask questions rather than jumping to conclusions? I always appreciate that in anyone. Bless you both.
I started reading Dobson books when my now-37-year-old child was a baby, reading every book he had on child-rearing up to the time when my first grandson was age two. When I read in his books about striking a child with an implement (switch, paddle, and, if I remember correctly, the back of a hairbrush), this disgusted me.
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He recommends that spankings cause at least brief, real pain and be administered with a neutral object such as a small switch or belt, not with the hand, because the latter should always be seen as 'an object of love . . . .
But when I read about pinching a child's trapezius muscle, I was horrified. The way he described doing it was sneaky, mean, and underhanded and promises "instant obedience." I would do that to a criminal, but not to a child!
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A handy way of inflicting this pain without causing marks or injuries . . . is to compress the trapezius muscle that lies at the base of the neck . . . when firmly squeezed . . . .
Having been reared abusively, I recognize the need for the parent to put a lot of effort into appearances while treating the child in a disrespectful and devious manner, in order to accomplish whatever the parent has in mind, which is usually to make the parent look good through the child, not to rear the child properly so that the child grows into a good and productive adult.
I didn't follow his advice, except for when he DID write to rear the child so that the child grows into a good adult, but the rest of his writings, in my opinion, were not conducive for "growing the child into a good adult." Those were the parts I ignored.
With regard to his stance about abused children and dealing with the abuse after they grow up, I had written to him that perhaps he could deal with this issue. His lack of response, through his writing staff, first of all, was appalling. The last I knew, he neither thought the problem was worthy of any attention whatsoever, because his writing staff, rather than giving any straight answers to me, sent me items I did not want and never asked for, including a book and a tape that encouraged the actions I wrote above. When I told them the second time to cease and desist, they then got my husband's name and started sending him stuff. With his permission, I wrote to them and told them not to send anything more to us.
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