|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/21/2008 5:49:33 PM
|
|
|
bob97
Posts: 2019
Joined: 6/24/2006
From: Kansas
Status: offline
|
quote:
I still say this person will come from within Christianity itself.
Theos...you might be right but give me scripture that say he must.
Bob
_____________________________
The LORD clears the road for me!
The LORD is my high ridge, my stronghold, my deliverer!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/21/2008 6:32:33 PM
|
|
|
tony.nz
Posts: 226
Joined: 7/6/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
That doesn't mean he fulfills some Bible prophecy about setting himself up in the "Temple" and calling himself God. The Muslims wouldn't go for that.
It is an interesting debate as to whether Muslims would follow somebody claiming to be God. This is the scriptural prophecy.
quote:
2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ................ 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Firstly, I do not believe that the dude will come along outright and say “I am God”. He will be more subtle than that. It is debateable as to what is meant by “the temple of God”, but somehow this will be associated with the deception. I think he will infer that he is God, and neither confirm nor deny the speculation. People will interprete the signs and wonders in accordance with their own cultural and religious background. It is not necessary that all believe he is God, for the prophecy to be fulfilled. It may be that the Apostle is only warning Christians not to be deceived, because Jesus Himself warned that many would come in His name.
The other point to ponder is that there is spiritual delusion involved here. All followers of false religions are under spiritual delusion, and although they are diverse, they all have one source, that is, the father of lies. And, if you believe a conman, it is easy for them to modify or even replace that which they at first told you. I can certainly imagine that if a person came along showing lying wonders, supported by the power of spiritual delusion, and claiming to bring peace and eliminate conflict, perhaps throwing in for good measure solutions to our “environmental crisis”, and our “economic crisis”, then the masses would follow regardless of religious background.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/21/2008 7:00:03 PM
|
|
|
bob97
Posts: 2019
Joined: 6/24/2006
From: Kansas
Status: offline
|
quote:
it is easy for them to modify or even replace that which they at first told you.
Exactly Tony…if I come to Israel and say if you do thus and so we will grant you peace for your people…then I come along 3 ½ years later and say…sorry but I had my fingers cross, If I’ve got the big stick what are you going to do about it?
If he appeared to be the expected Muslim 12th Twelfth Imam he can always change his agenda…powerful people do this as a matter of nature. It’s always the promise to obtain the position and then the real personality shows up.
If this vile person of Daniel’s 11:21 is in fact the AC, all it really say’s about him is he comes peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. There is nothing here that says he will be superman in abilities or deeds. It says “with deceitful promises, he will make various alliances. He will become strong despite having only a handful of followers”.
I think sometimes we are looking for that superman when in fact this just might be the right man in the right place and the right time.
Bob
_____________________________
The LORD clears the road for me!
The LORD is my high ridge, my stronghold, my deliverer!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/21/2008 7:18:28 PM
|
|
|
Retrobyter
Posts: 443
Joined: 8/23/2007
From: Florida
Status: offline
|
Shabbat shalom, TheosCentric.
quote:
ORIGINAL: TheosCentric
quote:
ORIGINAL: bob97
quote:
Islam's place in the end-times is right where other non-believer's places are in the end-times. Nothing special about Islam.
I in fact find it highly improbable that those adversaries of the ages…those who have strived to eliminate Israel from the face of the map will not be involved in the finial episode of this age. Who else is the principal enemy of Israel?
Bob
The Israelites principal enemy was the Canaanites.
In Jesus' time, it was Rome.
Today, it's considered Islam.
Fact is, Jews and Muslims have lived together peacefully in that land for several centuries before the current nation of Israel was created by the U.N. It wasn't until outside governments came in and said that the Muslims must accept the plundering of their land, that this started.
Excuse me?!!! "Fact?" "THEIR land?" ARE YOU SERIOUS?! NO, you need to check out world history again! It was ISRA'EL'S LAND--"HaERETZ YISRA'EL!" (That's from the Hebrew of the Bible, btw, e.g. Ezek. 40:2!) After the Romans destroyed the Temple, sacked Yerushalayim, and drove the Jews out in 135 A.D., and salted the Land, NOBODY wanted it, with the exceptions of a few nomads driving their herds across the Land looking for some sparse vegetation for their herds! Yerushalayim was all but abandoned, except for the Hassidic Jewish remnant, and they kept pretty much to themselves! It wasn't until the Jews began pouring buckets and buckets of water on the land, washing away the salt, that the Land started to bloom again! AND, it wasn't until after they had made the Land habitable again that the Muslims wanted it for themselves!
Here's one site where you can get some of the basic info: Short History.
BE CAREFUL! Remember: GOD gave Isra'el the Land FIRST (Gen. 13:14-18; 17:8; 28:1-4; 31:13; 35:10-12), and although there have been times when Isra'el has been disciplined down through the years, dispersing them throughout the world, God's promises are NEVER rescinded (Rom. 11:29)! He never has to rescind them because He knows the end from the beginning--indeed, He DECLARES the end from the beginning (Isa. 46:10)!
Lev. 25:23-25, 38-43
23 The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.
24 And in all the land of your possession ye shall grant a redemption for the land.
25 If thy brother be waxen poor, and hath sold away some of his possession, and if any of his kin come to redeem it, then shall he redeem that which his brother sold.
...
38 I am the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, to give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God.
39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile:
41 And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and shall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers shall he return.
42 For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen.
43 Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour; but shalt fear thy God.
KJV
Gen 35:10-15
10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
12 And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.
13 And God went up from him in the place where he talked with him.
14 And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him, even a pillar of stone: and he poured a drink offering thereon, and he poured oil thereon.
15 And Jacob called the name of the place where God spake with him, Bethel.
KJV
"Bethel," which in Hebrew is "Beit-EL" and means "House of God!" Where is Bethel? IN THE "WEST BANK!"
Retrobyter
P.S. You know, to be truly "TheosCentric," you should centered on that which GOD is centered...His Family ISRAEL, the "apple of His eye!"
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/21/2008 8:37:32 PM
|
|
|
SonicStudent
Posts: 439
Joined: 10/20/2008
Status: offline
|
I agree here Retro,
The bible says that Jesus was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8)
Therefore Israel, Jerusalem the place our saviour was to accomplish our salvation was also predestined from the foundation of the world. Even if the Jews spend time away for reasons of rebellion, God promises that Israel will always be theirs. 'The promises of God are without repentance'!
Abraham was promised the land forever. When God promised Abraham a son in extreme old age, Abraham couldn't see how his wife could produce that son. However, the son eventually came, by a miracle of God and not by Abraham's strength. There was no place for human boasting, as it was God's doing.
Even the Messiah was a miracle that was not engineered through mans will, but totally miraculous, brought into being by the hand of God, so there would be no boasting by men.
I see the land of Israel in a similar way. This land was a miracle land. Brought into being by God for His purposes. The children of Israel could not boast (or should not boast) in the land from a self boasting manor, as this land was given and prepared by God Himself. The Lord went before them as they entered, as the land was already theirs in reality. The land of Promise. Which is true of every promise of God. It's already ours, already prepared, we just have to take by faith. The of Israel is the land of promise! If God's promises can be taken back, then we can't ever have confidence.
I think that because we sometimes can't see how things are going to pan out, we try to look at other ways to make things fit and try to squeeze other ideas in. This is the same as what Abraham did with his hand-maid. It will become clear how God will bring these prophecies to come to pass, and we don't need to pull other religious ideas in, or odd scenarios to make us understand better to fit current world situations. All will come to pass just as it says, and will stick faithfully to God's plans and ways. And even if the Jews spend another 2,000 years away, the land 'will' ultimately be theirs, Because It Was Promised.
_____________________________
"I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake, and I will not remember your sins." Isaiah 43:25
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/21/2008 9:30:42 PM
|
|
|
bob97
Posts: 2019
Joined: 6/24/2006
From: Kansas
Status: offline
|
Chris…weren’t you an advocate for Palestinian rights at one time or do I have you confused with some one else?
Bob
_____________________________
The LORD clears the road for me!
The LORD is my high ridge, my stronghold, my deliverer!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 12:24:00 AM
|
|
|
Josh4LinC
Posts: 115
Joined: 11/11/2008
From: Minnesota
Status: offline
|
I can't help but agree here with Retro. Paul states in Romans that Israel is the olive tree and many of Israel are cut off from that tree. Thus, we, the wild branches (Gentiles), are being grafted in. Paul also states later that the rest of Israel will be grafted back in. God is not done with the people of Israel.
If anything we, who were not Israel, are now Israel through Jesus. However, God's promises are true and everlasting, and Paul draws a clear distinction throughout much of his teachings that God still has some promises to fulfill for the sake of Israel (Jacob). And, yes, the land was promised to Israel, first, and while there are times when God forces them out of the land as a judgment, He always brings them back to that land at sometime.
_____________________________
In Christ Jesus,
Josh
“Well,” says one, “I like to be my own master.” Yes, and that involves two things;
first, you have a very bad master; and, next, your master has a fool for his servant.
- Charles Spurgeon
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 6:11:27 AM
|
|
|
TheosCentric
Posts: 2036
Joined: 2/26/2006
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: bob97
Chris…weren’t you an advocate for Palestinian rights at one time or do I have you confused with some one else?
Bob
That would be me. 
_____________________________
"Missions exists because worship doesn't." -- John Piper, Let the Nations be Glad
God at the Center
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 6:14:04 AM
|
|
|
TheosCentric
Posts: 2036
Joined: 2/26/2006
Status: offline
|
Something to think about. Should we be so focused on "Israel" or should we be more focused on God. I think Christians spend too much time on the former, rather than the latter.
Why is that? Is their salvation at stake? If so, there's a problem.
_____________________________
"Missions exists because worship doesn't." -- John Piper, Let the Nations be Glad
God at the Center
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 8:30:31 AM
|
|
|
SonicStudent
Posts: 439
Joined: 10/20/2008
Status: offline
|
This is more about understand the nature of God. Faithful! God keeps His promises to men, even when men fail! It's clear that Jerusalem was chosen from before Abraham, as God knew he would sacrifice His son from the earths foundation and why and where that would take place.
God promised Abraham and his sons there after him, that the land would be theirs forever. A promise that will not easily or ever be broken. Which is why 2000 years later the worlds focus is still on Israel. It's here a lot of the end time focus will be centred, as Satan and man know full well that the Jews, the Messiah and the Father are locked in promise with the land. If we can't see that God is faithful in all He promised, then I feel we miss understand the faithfulness of God.
The Jews one day will be shown their Messiah that they pierced and will mourn, Jesus Himself will stand on the Mount of Olives at His return, as these final promises are fulfilled to Israel and the fathers.
Yes we should obviously be more focused on God, however, to understand God's faithfulness to the promises He made to the Jewish nation, is to understand God's faithfulness to all regarding all promises to us, regarding our eternal promises of salvation and our heavenly country, promised to us at the start of our journey, we often fail and end up in various wildernesses of our own making, however, God's promises to us are secure and although we put ourselves through dry wildernesses sometimes, God draws us back, and ultimetaly will deliver all He's promised, because it was Promised! God is faithful to fulfill all He promised, with nothing ever missed.
< Message edited by SonicStudent -- 11/22/2008 8:38:35 AM >
_____________________________
"I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake, and I will not remember your sins." Isaiah 43:25
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 1:17:22 PM
|
|
|
Retrobyter
Posts: 443
Joined: 8/23/2007
From: Florida
Status: offline
|
Shabbat shalom, TheosCentric.
quote:
ORIGINAL: TheosCentric
Something to think about. Should we be so focused on "Israel" or should we be more focused on God. I think Christians spend too much time on the former, rather than the latter.
Why is that? Is their salvation at stake? If so, there's a problem.
An honest question deserves an honest answer. We should always be more focused on God than on anything or anyone else. However, knowing how God--Adonai Elohiym YHVH--is Himself focused on Isra'el, we become more focused on God as we also, LIKE HIM, focus on Isra'el!
If Isra'el is dear to God's heart, shouldn't Isra'el be dear to our hearts, also? Of course, Isra'el isn't our ONLY focus! There may yet be millions of Goyim (Gentiles) out there that are POTENTIAL children of God! We have been commissioned by God to carry the good news of the Kingdom and of the Messiah to others as well! They, too, may be grafted into the Olive Tree (the Messiah's Kingdom, God's Kingdom ruled by God's Representative, His Messiah, Yeshua`) and into HaShoresh Daviyd (the Root of David)!
You asked, "Why is that? (i.e., Why is it that Christians spend too much time focusing on Israel?) Is their salvation at stake? If so, there's a problem."
The "salvation" of these people who recognize the value God Himself has placed on Isra'el is NOT at stake, so there is no problem. It's not about the justification God assigns to an individual! It's about the salvation of an entire people!
It is about the RESCUE (SALVATION) of His Chosen People, His Race, His FAMILY! The prophet asked, "Shall a nation be born in a day?" And, the answer is YES! They shall "look upon Him whom they pierced," and the scales of their blindness will fall from their eyes! It'll be a day of great mourning...but it will also be a day of great victory, for the Messiah, the Anointed to be King, SHALL NOT FAIL!
Retrobyter
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 2:08:48 PM
|
|
|
bob97
Posts: 2019
Joined: 6/24/2006
From: Kansas
Status: offline
|
Chris...
I tell you why I focus on Israel; it’s because they are the focus of God and all of the end time prophecy. Since I’m interested in end time prophecy I have to key on Israel. Let’s face it if Israel doesn’t call out for Christ He is not going to return.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Mat 23:39
We gentiles don't cause it to happen...Israel does.
Bob
_____________________________
The LORD clears the road for me!
The LORD is my high ridge, my stronghold, my deliverer!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 2:43:31 PM
|
|
|
Josh4LinC
Posts: 115
Joined: 11/11/2008
From: Minnesota
Status: offline
|
Amen to that, Brother.
_____________________________
In Christ Jesus,
Josh
“Well,” says one, “I like to be my own master.” Yes, and that involves two things;
first, you have a very bad master; and, next, your master has a fool for his servant.
- Charles Spurgeon
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 4:01:58 PM
|
|
|
TheosCentric
Posts: 2036
Joined: 2/26/2006
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: bob97
Chris...
I tell you why I focus on Israel; it’s because they are the focus of God and all of the end time prophecy. Since I’m interested in end time prophecy I have to key on Israel. Let’s face it if Israel doesn’t call out for Christ He is not going to return.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Mat 23:39
We gentiles don't cause it to happen...Israel does.
Bob
Nope, God causes it to happen.
_____________________________
"Missions exists because worship doesn't." -- John Piper, Let the Nations be Glad
God at the Center
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 6:58:41 PM
|
|
|
SonicStudent
Posts: 439
Joined: 10/20/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Retrobyter
Shabbat shalom, TheosCentric.
quote:
ORIGINAL: TheosCentric
Something to think about. Should we be so focused on "Israel" or should we be more focused on God. I think Christians spend too much time on the former, rather than the latter.
Why is that? Is their salvation at stake? If so, there's a problem.
An honest question deserves an honest answer. We should always be more focused on God than on anything or anyone else. However, knowing how God--Adonai Elohiym YHVH--is Himself focused on Isra'el, we become more focused on God as we also, LIKE HIM, focus on Isra'el!
If Isra'el is dear to God's heart, shouldn't Isra'el be dear to our hearts, also? Of course, Isra'el isn't our ONLY focus! There may yet be millions of Goyim (Gentiles) out there that are POTENTIAL children of God! We have been commissioned by God to carry the good news of the Kingdom and of the Messiah to others as well! They, too, may be grafted into the Olive Tree (the Messiah's Kingdom, God's Kingdom ruled by God's Representative, His Messiah, Yeshua`) and into HaShoresh Daviyd (the Root of David)!
You asked, "Why is that? (i.e., Why is it that Christians spend too much time focusing on Israel?) Is their salvation at stake? If so, there's a problem."
The "salvation" of these people who recognize the value God Himself has placed on Isra'el is NOT at stake, so there is no problem. It's not about the justification God assigns to an individual! It's about the salvation of an entire people!
It is about the RESCUE (SALVATION) of His Chosen People, His Race, His FAMILY! The prophet asked, "Shall a nation be born in a day?" And, the answer is YES! They shall "look upon Him whom they pierced," and the scales of their blindness will fall from their eyes! It'll be a day of great mourning...but it will also be a day of great victory, for the Messiah, the Anointed to be King, SHALL NOT FAIL!
Retrobyter
Spot on my dear friend, SPOT ON!
_____________________________
"I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake, and I will not remember your sins." Isaiah 43:25
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 7:02:10 PM
|
|
|
SonicStudent
Posts: 439
Joined: 10/20/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: bob97
Chris...
I tell you why I focus on Israel; it’s because they are the focus of God and all of the end time prophecy. Since I’m interested in end time prophecy I have to key on Israel. Let’s face it if Israel doesn’t call out for Christ He is not going to return.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Mat 23:39
We gentiles don't cause it to happen...Israel does.
Bob
Yes, I believe that when Israel are edged in on every side by their enemies, they'll cry out for their Messiah, and maybe then it will be time for the 2 witnesses to point them to the Saviour they peirced.
Sonic
_____________________________
"I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake, and I will not remember your sins." Isaiah 43:25
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 7:05:38 PM
|
|
|
AbbyGrace
Posts: 660
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: SonicStudent
quote:
ORIGINAL: bob97
Chris...
I tell you why I focus on Israel; it’s because they are the focus of God and all of the end time prophecy. Since I’m interested in end time prophecy I have to key on Israel. Let’s face it if Israel doesn’t call out for Christ He is not going to return.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Mat 23:39
We gentiles don't cause it to happen...Israel does.
Bob
Yes, I believe that when Israel are edged in on every side by their enemies, they'll cry out for their Messiah, and maybe then it will be time for the 2 witnesses to point them to the Saviour they peirced.
Sonic
I know and understand the point you are making here, and its very clear, but the Bible states, that no one knows the day or hour, not even Jesus knows, only God knows this....
_____________________________
Hebrews 12:14 "Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord." 
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 7:06:45 PM
|
|
|
bob97
Posts: 2019
Joined: 6/24/2006
From: Kansas
Status: offline
|
Hummmm...what did Christ say? Does He lie?
It is God who applies the pressure but it is Israel who makes the acclaim to their once pierced, but now acknowledged, Messiah.
What do you think would happen if they didn't call out the the Lord?
Bob
_____________________________
The LORD clears the road for me!
The LORD is my high ridge, my stronghold, my deliverer!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 7:07:36 PM
|
|
|
SonicStudent
Posts: 439
Joined: 10/20/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: TheosCentric
quote:
ORIGINAL: bob97
Chris...
I tell you why I focus on Israel; it’s because they are the focus of God and all of the end time prophecy. Since I’m interested in end time prophecy I have to key on Israel. Let’s face it if Israel doesn’t call out for Christ He is not going to return.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Mat 23:39
We gentiles don't cause it to happen...Israel does.
Bob
Nope, God causes it to happen.
Might it be that God allowing Israel's enemies to threaten their very existence, might well be 'God causing it to happen'? Just a thought?
_____________________________
"I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake, and I will not remember your sins." Isaiah 43:25
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 7:09:38 PM
|
|
|
AbbyGrace
Posts: 660
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: SonicStudent
quote:
ORIGINAL: TheosCentric
quote:
ORIGINAL: bob97
Chris...
I tell you why I focus on Israel; it’s because they are the focus of God and all of the end time prophecy. Since I’m interested in end time prophecy I have to key on Israel. Let’s face it if Israel doesn’t call out for Christ He is not going to return.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Mat 23:39
We gentiles don't cause it to happen...Israel does.
Bob
Nope, God causes it to happen.
Might it be that God allowing Israel's enemies to threaten their very existence, might well be 'God causing it to happen'? Just a thought?
Possibly....I would not deny that, God controls all and allows things to happen, but only God knows when, the day and the hour, and yes, our eyes should be fixed on Israel, no doubt about that.
_____________________________
Hebrews 12:14 "Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord."
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Where does a Muslim State sit in End Times? - 11/22/2008 7:14:19 PM
|
|
|
SonicStudent
Posts: 439
Joined: 10/20/2008
Status: offline
|
I don't know when the day or hour will be, but it seems that it may take Israel to be knocked well out of their comfort and fear for their existence before they call out for salvation. Isn't it often times like this that we all cry out?
Knowing the pressure that will be on Israel towards the end, I just can't see them turning to Christ through an intellectual decision if you know what I mean.
Sonic
_____________________________
"I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake, and I will not remember your sins." Isaiah 43:25
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Tools
Printable Version
