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What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/15/2008 4:58:06 PM
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mrtigger
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This is sort of inspired by another thread in the morality folder...
From time to time us guys get asked in "he says" about our opinion of what we think constitutes 'provacative' or 'immodest' womens attire.
But I don't think I've ever seen a thread asking women's opinions on the same. So this is it:
What do you personally think constitutes 'immodest' or 'provacative' clothing on a woman?
Do you think women who dress provacatively are doing so intentionally?
If so, why would they do that?
Please don't drag the other threads hot debate into this thread. My question is just about what type of women's outfits you think are provacative (or not) and what purpose a woman might have for dressing provacatively.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/15/2008 10:51:11 PM
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I think "provocative clothing" would be clothing that is tight and very close-fitting which hugs the wearer's assets. In addition to being close fitting, they also display an enticing amount of the wearer's assets. I think these two characteristics must be in tandem to be termed provocative - the second characteristic being the determining factor. I have a few close-fitting tops that I wear but they don't reveal any of my "assets". So I figure I'm on the safe side when I wear them.
That's just my two cents worth.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/15/2008 10:55:29 PM
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I think you should ask this question in a forum where both men and women can answer. Men will have very different answers from women.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/15/2008 11:08:10 PM
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I pretty much agree with ebony's description and I would add necklines that show cleavage. I believe most women who dress provocatively are aware that they are doing so but I think oftentimes younger girls are not aware of what they are doing and fathers really should inform their daughters of what dressing provocatively does to men. I was 20 years old and married before I really understood it. My husband helped me to understand it. I never really did dress provocatively but sometimes was less careful than I should have been.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/15/2008 11:44:18 PM
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I think it depends on how you were raised and where you're from.
Muslim men are so used to women being totally covered that showing your wrists and ankles is provocative. As in, it arouses them.
Men from Sweden don't even think twice when women are walking around in a skimpy bikini. (I suppose I can't say all men from Sweden but I have a good number of friends there and they really don't think that kind of dress is immodest because they grew up with it.)
So I say it's a personal issue. Are you dressing appropriately for the weather and occasion? Do you respect yourself? If you put something on because you think it's going to boost your sex appeal than that's provocative. Because in the end, if a man is not a gentleman he can undress you with his eyes no matter what you're wearing.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/16/2008 8:07:25 PM
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I think it depends on how you were raised and where you're from.
Muslim men are so used to women being totally covered that showing your wrists and ankles is provocative. As in, it arouses them.
Men from Sweden don't even think twice when women are walking around in a skimpy bikini. (I suppose I can't say all men from Sweden but I have a good number of friends there and they really don't think that kind of dress is immodest because they grew up with it.)
So I say it's a personal issue. Are you dressing appropriately for the weather and occasion? Do you respect yourself? If you put something on because you think it's going to boost your sex appeal than that's provocative. Because in the end, if a man is not a gentleman he can undress you with his eyes no matter what you're wearing.
I agree with this. There are places in the world were upper arms are considered provocative. Or think about India where you can show the midriff with no problem - but maybe another part of the body would be considered provocative. For the U.S., I think Ebony's description fits. The combination of tight, short, and low cut is definitely what I would consider provactive. I don't dress this way, but if I wear something and notice that men are reacting to me in a certain way - I think twice about wearing it again. I also think body shape makes a difference. I've seen two women wear the exact same outfit - big t-shirt and knee length shorts. The one with the boyish figure looked cute and young - and no one gave her a second glance. The other woman was curvier - and well, let's just say that the men are breaking their necks to get her water, a chair to sit in, to talk to her, to find out her name. (She's really pretty and a very nice person too.) Some women could wear a jogging suit and still look provactive to lots of men. I know a woman who wears baggier clothes, she's plus sized - and she is confident in herself. The men just run after her like she is the last woman in the world. Some guy is always asking her out - wanting to marry her - it is simply amazing. (She's also really smart, talented, and accomplished.) I'd love to know her secret  .
I think too that "provocative" is also in some ways in the eye of the beholder. For example, I've seen women who wear things that - in my opinion - I find to be really risque. Yet, that same women will walk on the street, pass many men, and none of them will even glance her way. Yet this other woman - who I don't think looks risque - might get lots of attention or comments.
I think that sometimes men see things that women don't, just like women see things that men don't. Like lots of women might like a certain man - all of the women will understand this - but the men would look at the other guy and say - "I just don't get it."
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/17/2008 6:10:55 AM
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In this day and age, in this part of the country, IMHO provocative is when a woman dresses to show off her parts as available. If you ever watch the television show, What Not To Wear, some women dress like hot mama teen-agers and look trashy. They are trying to look sexy and attractive but miss the mark by a long shot. They want to look approachable and interesting and instead make themselves look cheap. I think these women are not being honest with themselves. If a woman is honest with herself, she knows she is doing it.
If I ever miss the mark like that I do hope someone tactfully and kindly lets me know and they don't even have to offer me a shopping spree in New York. I think I usually fell into the other trap, looking frumpy and blending into the background.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/17/2008 8:02:15 AM
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In this day and age, in this part of the country, IMHO provocative is when a woman dresses to show off her parts as available. If you ever watch the television show, What Not To Wear, some women dress like hot mama teen-agers and look trashy. They are trying to look sexy and attractive but miss the mark by a long shot. They want to look approachable and interesting and instead make themselves look cheap. I think these women are not being honest with themselves. If a woman is honest with herself, she knows she is doing it.
If I ever miss the mark like that I do hope someone tactfully and kindly lets me know and they don't even have to offer me a shopping spree in New York. I think I usually fell into the other trap, looking frumpy and blending into the background.
Thumbs up on "What Not To Wear" - I learn a lot from watching that show - although Stacey and Clinton can be kind of hard on some of the people's clothing choices. I think a woman looks more attractive and sexier if she wears clothes that fit (not too tight or too big) and that work with her body type.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/17/2008 5:53:44 PM
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In this day and age, in this part of the country, IMHO provocative is when a woman dresses to show off her parts as available. If you ever watch the television show, What Not To Wear, some women dress like hot mama teen-agers and look trashy. They are trying to look sexy and attractive but miss the mark by a long shot. They want to look approachable and interesting and instead make themselves look cheap. I think these women are not being honest with themselves. If a woman is honest with herself, she knows she is doing it.
If I ever miss the mark like that I do hope someone tactfully and kindly lets me know and they don't even have to offer me a shopping spree in New York. I think I usually fell into the other trap, looking frumpy and blending into the background.
Thumbs up on "What Not To Wear" - I learn a lot from watching that show - although Stacey and Clinton can be kind of hard on some of the people's clothing choices. I think a woman looks more attractive and sexier if she wears clothes that fit (not too tight or too big) and that work with her body type.
Hey, I like that show as well. I learn a lot from those two. I like how they try to get the girls to look classier. Though I agree with you, Rgod. Stacy is hard to take at times.
I don't know where i fit in with the provocative clothing measures. I don't show any cleavage and I don't wear anything short other than when I'm at the gym. However, I'm so tiny that I can't wear loose clothing or else I'll look like I'm wearing a potato sack. I wear clothes are are normally tight fitting, but I honestly don't look trashy or cheap. I should ask my male friends if they ever find my style as sexually provocative.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/18/2008 12:38:06 AM
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Provacative clothing is something that is worn to attract attention in a sexual manner.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/18/2008 7:33:09 AM
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I think the question should be rephrased. Provocative and immodest are two diffrent things and we should be careful not to equate them.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/18/2008 9:47:41 AM
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I think the question should be rephrased. Provocative and immodest are two diffrent things and we should be careful not to equate them.
Yes, they aren't exactly the same thing. Mostly my question was about what women think is provacative clothing (or not).
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/18/2008 12:25:33 PM
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Early humans started covering themselves (considered stone age in technological sense) considering nakedness as immoral or unworthy in front of other or even their family members.
The modern, technological, information age has completely switched this idea. Morally we are dead people with no values at all. Why? because the world is doing it, why can't we?
I'm not taking sides but I read some Islamic beliefs specifically regarding women. They are only allowed to expose their faces, hands and feet. All other parts should be covered as its a universal fact that women own beauty. And to save them from being molested or to looked upon as being mere instrument of pleasure, they should respect their beauty themselves.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/18/2008 3:05:49 PM
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Provacative clothing is something that is worn to attract attention in a sexual manner.
That's it in a nutshell!
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/19/2008 2:51:48 PM
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Dear Mr. Tigger:
You ask the most amusing questions. However, the question you have listed today is NOT the question I will answer but having been inspired by an experience yesterday will let you know about a subject which for too long has been neglected which is what I feel constitutes "provocative" MEN's attire!
Yesterday, whilst waiting line at the bank, I came face to bum with a fellow's half-exposed bottom. He was leaning over the counter. His bum sticking out in all it's partially camouflaged glory for all of the world to see. The top of his pants were down somewhere in the vicinity of his mid-thigh. There was another fellow standing behind me. We looked at each other and laughed ourselves silly! I suspect not so much because it was funny - which to a degree it was but because it was so completely OUTRAGEOUS.
Please tell men to pull up their pants above their derriers!
Another horrible thing men do is to wear shorts that are so short I can see the family jewels dangling beneath them. Disgusting!
If you know any men who do this...and I'm sure you do...or if you are a man who does this....cut it out! Got it?
Yours for asking men to take the log out of their own eye before accusing the women,
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/19/2008 5:00:35 PM
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I'm not accusing anyone. In fact, I personally find that most women seem to dress modestly. Especially compared to what they typically wore 20 or 30 years ago. But there are always a few that don't and I'm just asking for opinions on the topic.
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If you know any men who do this...and I'm sure you do...or if you are a man who does this....cut it out! Got it?
Actually I don't know any guys like that although I am an older guy (50) and maybe that is a younger guy thing. But I agree it is disgusting .
I will admit though when I was younger, muscly, and obnoxious I sometimes tried to stir up women with flirting, workout shorts, speedos & such. It did actually work on a few of them and when it did I got a head rush from the female attention, ego strokes & a sense of sexual power from it. I've always thought that women who dress provacatively are probably looking for the same kind of ego strokes as I was.
I cleaned up my act and have behaved better since then though.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/20/2008 2:16:34 PM
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quote:
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Dear Mr. Tigger:
You ask the most amusing questions. However, the question you have listed today is NOT the question I will answer but having been inspired by an experience yesterday will let you know about a subject which for too long has been neglected which is what I feel constitutes "provocative" MEN's attire!
Yesterday, whilst waiting line at the bank, I came face to bum with a fellow's half-exposed bottom. He was leaning over the counter. His bum sticking out in all it's partially camouflaged glory for all of the world to see. The top of his pants were down somewhere in the vicinity of his mid-thigh. There was another fellow standing behind me. We looked at each other and laughed ourselves silly! I suspect not so much because it was funny - which to a degree it was but because it was so completely OUTRAGEOUS.
Please tell men to pull up their pants above their derriers!
Another horrible thing men do is to wear shorts that are so short I can see the family jewels dangling beneath them. Disgusting!
If you know any men who do this...and I'm sure you do...or if you are a man who does this....cut it out! Got it?
Yours for asking men to take the log out of their own eye before accusing the women,
Sudden
Please add guys in speedos and bike-shorts to that list. Eww!!
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/22/2008 1:07:35 AM
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I try to dress comfortably at all times. I don't particularly like clothes that fit too tightly I like to give my body room to breathe. Anyway, the last guy I dated thought that my clothing was too loose and kept bothering me to wear clothing that was fitted. He finally realised that peer pressure doesn't work with me and gave up on trying to get me to change the type of clothes that I wore. But go figure ... maybe some women wear provocative clothing because that's what their SO wants them to wear. I don't know, if that is true, just voicing a reason.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/22/2008 7:31:48 PM
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Wow, there are some amusing comments in this thread.
But, to answer your questions:
What do you personally think constitutes 'immodest' or 'provacative' clothing on a woman?
There was the comment that it's anything that is worn intentionally to provoke a sexual response. That could be different for different men. Is she trying to gain the attention of a guy who likes tight fitting jeans by wearing painted-on jeans? Is she trying to gain the attention of a guy who likes cleavage by wearing something very low cut?
Do you think women who dress provacatively are doing so intentionally?
Some do, some don't. Anything can be provacative, it's really in the eye of the beholder. There are a lot of fashions out there that are designed to be provacative, and to be honest, it's a conscious choice on my part to hunt out clothes that fit properly, look good, and are not designed for the explicit purpose of being sexually attractive to men. I had a sweet guy friend in high school who begged me to stop wearing a certain outfit because it drove him nuts. Now, that wasn't my intention at all, but he saw something in what I was wearing that I didn't. I was incredibly naive. Years later, I can understand what the problem was, but back then I had absolutely no idea what he was talking about.
If so, why would they do that?
Why would a woman wear something provacative? Because she's trying to attract attention of course! Maybe it's directed towards a particular guy (for a date) or simply because she loves being in the spotlight.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/24/2008 8:21:40 PM
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Women not only dress to attract guys, many of us also dress to impress other women (go figure).
BTW did anyone see the bit on the news about wearing the color red making women seem more attractive to men? Fascinating. I guess that means some women, in their effort to be less likely to provoke lust in men, will decide to avoid wearing red from now on.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/24/2008 10:03:46 PM
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Women not only dress to attract guys, many of us also dress to impress other women (go figure).
BTW did anyone see the bit on the news about wearing the color red making women seem more attractive to men? Fascinating. I guess that means some women, in their effort to be less likely to provoke lust in men, will decide to avoid wearing red from now on.
There's nothing wrong with being attractive.
I think it's stupid of someone to "dress ugly" so they won't "provoke lust".
Psh. Haha.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/25/2008 10:10:51 AM
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anything showing a fair amount of cleavage, any skirt mid-thigh or shorter and probably my jeans since they are snug (now that I read some posts above!)
What about patterns - anyone consider leopard prints provacative? My hubby gets extremely embarrased if I wear the print even if it's a buttoned, tailored blouse - but I just saw Joyce Meyer wearing the exact blouse as well as a newscaster. I'm confused on that one....
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/25/2008 8:32:08 PM
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Immodest or provacative...cleavage comes to mind. Now don't get me wrong. I think a little bit of cleavage is perfectly okay. That little line in between Sally & Mae does not a modesty crisis make, in my opinion. My problem comes when Sally & Mae are threatening bail out from their bra that I get nervous.
I think that the whole package is important. If you're wearing a short skirt with heels and cleavage and heavy makeup, you're not concerned about appearing provacative to anyone...you're inviting the lookers.
One or maybe two of the dressing factors above can be perfectly okay. I think a woman should feel comfortable wearing her feminine body.
Boiling down...it's all in the eye of the beholder.
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RE: What do women think is provacative clothing? - 11/25/2008 8:45:33 PM
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Early humans started covering themselves (considered stone age in technological sense) considering nakedness as immoral or unworthy in front of other or even their family members.
The modern, technological, information age has completely switched this idea. Morally we are dead people with no values at all. Why? because the world is doing it, why can't we?
I'm not taking sides but I read some Islamic beliefs specifically regarding women. They are only allowed to expose their faces, hands and feet. All other parts should be covered as its a universal fact that women own beauty. And to save them from being molested or to looked upon as being mere instrument of pleasure, they should respect their beauty themselves.
Cheers
That women are forced to daily cover from head to toe, wearing heavy, hot burdensome clothing in order to protect family honor is perfectly ridiculous, cruel, and sexist to say the least.
If women own beauty, they should have a loud voice on how to use it. Where's the free will?
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