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Did She ASK for It?
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 11:44:51 AM
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lightbeamrider
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After reading thru these posts, (or as much as i could tolerate) i note that there is a vast difference in the way in which men and women perceive things. (generally) That is why i believe we have such a strong attraction towards each other which over rides our differences. If we did not have that strong of an attraction we would not mix. If we do not mix, we become extinct.
If i ever have a son, (God forbid) i should think i am doing him a favor by having him castrated at birth.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 12:04:10 PM
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lightbeamrider
After reading thru these posts, (or as much as i could tolerate) i note that there is a vast difference in the way in which men and women perceive things. (generally) That is why i believe we have such a strong attraction towards each other which over rides our differences. If we did not have that strong of an attraction we would not mix. If we do not mix, we become extinct.
I think you just explained the cause of homosexuality. But, there's a one stop thread for that.
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If i ever have a son, (God forbid) i should think i am doing him a favor by having him castrated at birth.
There have been some comments made in this thread that have been rather insensitive. This is the most provocative statement in this thread so far. I don't get angry too often by what I see posted. But this comment pushed my button. Where does this thinking come from?
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 12:08:48 PM
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There have been some comments made in this thread that have been rather insensitive. This is the most provocative statement in this thread so far. I don't get angry too often by what I see posted. But this comment pushed my button. Where does this thinking come from?
It is certainly one of the most provocative and really rather hateful posts in this thread. What a horrible thing to say about men. All men are not to be despised for what some men do, just as all women shouldn't be painted with the same brush as some women. Children, both daughters AND sons, are a blessing and not to be hoped against.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 1:15:29 PM
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I don't read the comment the same way. Lightbeamrider would have to say for sure, but I read it as "G-d forbid that I should think I am doing my son a favor by having him castrated at birth." IOW, males in general often get a bad rap (i.e. all men are potential rapists, all men are violent, etc.), and it's a shame that a parent might think the way to spare their son or society would be by taking his maleness from him.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 1:56:00 PM
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I can't believe such an insult was allowed to be posted.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 3:04:57 PM
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I wish a Mod would just lock this thread.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 3:22:10 PM
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CoeurdeLeon
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ORIGINAL: p31woman
I don't read the comment the same way. Lightbeamrider would have to say for sure, but I read it as "G-d forbid that I should think I am doing my son a favor by having him castrated at birth." IOW, males in general often get a bad rap (i.e. all men are potential rapists, all men are violent, etc.), and it's a shame that a parent might think the way to spare their son or society would be by taking his maleness from him.
Thanks for pointing that out. If that is indeed what was meant then I apologize for my comment.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 3:25:18 PM
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I read it as "God forbid that I would have a son."
Which is too bad because boys are so awesome!
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 4:56:48 PM
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The poster is a male . . . that is if the poster is observing the rules for He Says . . . a search of the his posts show where he is participating in at least one He Says thread (and he's not the OP, which would be a female).
The post he made above is very disturbing to me no matter which way I read it.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 5:27:48 PM
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i am male. i am not homosexual. To castrate an infant male is not an option. i do know of two males who after having negative experiences with females went homosexual. Know the reverse is also true. Women turn lesbian because of negative experiences with men. After reading most of these posts in one sitting; the back and forth my reaction was negative. It would appear the rift which exists between men and women is growing wider in how things are viewed. There is a growing hatred which exist between men and women which is just beneath the surface. That is what i saw. That is what i reacted to. I don't want to inflame things anymore.
Grace and mercy. I don't know if u are evil or not. I do know there are evil women out there. Surely u are not suggesting otherwise. As for me i only have control over my own decisions. I choose to be law abiding. i choose to be single and celibate. Peaceful co-existence is fine with me.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 5:31:35 PM
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WhiteRoseBlessings
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Peaceful co-existence is fine with me. This does not line up with what you posted before in this thread.
And, I didn't see any hatred among anyone posting. I saw some very passionate posts; but no hatred. In fact, some of the people who were most passionately disagreeing with each other are actually online friends.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 5:54:38 PM
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ORIGINAL: lightbeamrider
i am male. i am not homosexual. To castrate an infant male is not an option. i do know of two males who after having negative experiences with females went homosexual. Know the reverse is also true. Women turn lesbian because of negative experiences with men. After reading most of these posts in one sitting; the back and forth my reaction was negative. It would appear the rift which exists between men and women is growing wider in how things are viewed. There is a growing hatred which exist between men and women which is just beneath the surface. That is what i saw. That is what i reacted to. I don't want to inflame things anymore.
Grace and mercy. I don't know if u are evil or not. I do know there are evil women out there. Surely u are not suggesting otherwise. As for me i only have control over my own decisions. I choose to be law abiding. i choose to be single and celibate. Peaceful co-existence is fine with me.
I was just trying to explain the way that the statement felt to me when I read it - full of pain. No, I'm not evil, far from it. But when you made the comment about the extreme measure of castrating a child (and I didn't take it as a literal statement), I sensed some deep feelings against women. These threads have stirred up a lot of deep feelings in many of us this week, and there have been some very emotional debates. And that's what they are for the most part... debates. I agree with WRB that many of these people are online friends going back and forth trying to come to some agreement, not a separation.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 6:03:02 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Grace-N-Mercy
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ORIGINAL: lightbeamrider
i am male. i am not homosexual. To castrate an infant male is not an option. i do know of two males who after having negative experiences with females went homosexual. Know the reverse is also true. Women turn lesbian because of negative experiences with men. After reading most of these posts in one sitting; the back and forth my reaction was negative. It would appear the rift which exists between men and women is growing wider in how things are viewed. There is a growing hatred which exist between men and women which is just beneath the surface. That is what i saw. That is what i reacted to. I don't want to inflame things anymore.
Grace and mercy. I don't know if u are evil or not. I do know there are evil women out there. Surely u are not suggesting otherwise. As for me i only have control over my own decisions. I choose to be law abiding. i choose to be single and celibate. Peaceful co-existence is fine with me.
I was just trying to explain the way that the statement felt to me when I read it - full of pain. No, I'm not evil, far from it. But when you made the comment about the extreme measure of castrating a child (and I didn't take it as a literal statement), I sensed some deep feelings against women. These threads have stirred up a lot of deep feelings in many of us this week, and there have been some very emotional debates. And that's what they are for the most part... debates. I agree with WRB that many of these people are online friends going back and forth trying to come to some agreement, not a separation.
And for the record those of us who had expressed some of the strongest disagreements here have have found that we were really not nearly as far apart as it seemed. Talking it out we have realized that we mostly agree.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 6:05:50 PM
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Grace-N-Mercy
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ORIGINAL: benelchi
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ORIGINAL: Grace-N-Mercy
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ORIGINAL: lightbeamrider
i am male. i am not homosexual. To castrate an infant male is not an option. i do know of two males who after having negative experiences with females went homosexual. Know the reverse is also true. Women turn lesbian because of negative experiences with men. After reading most of these posts in one sitting; the back and forth my reaction was negative. It would appear the rift which exists between men and women is growing wider in how things are viewed. There is a growing hatred which exist between men and women which is just beneath the surface. That is what i saw. That is what i reacted to. I don't want to inflame things anymore.
Grace and mercy. I don't know if u are evil or not. I do know there are evil women out there. Surely u are not suggesting otherwise. As for me i only have control over my own decisions. I choose to be law abiding. i choose to be single and celibate. Peaceful co-existence is fine with me.
I was just trying to explain the way that the statement felt to me when I read it - full of pain. No, I'm not evil, far from it. But when you made the comment about the extreme measure of castrating a child (and I didn't take it as a literal statement), I sensed some deep feelings against women. These threads have stirred up a lot of deep feelings in many of us this week, and there have been some very emotional debates. And that's what they are for the most part... debates. I agree with WRB that many of these people are online friends going back and forth trying to come to some agreement, not a separation.
And for the record those of us who had expressed some of the strongest disagreements here have have found that we were really not nearly as far apart as it seemed. Talking it out we have realized that we mostly agree.
That's exactly my point. I haven't read over the entire thread, but I have seen more agreement than disagreement, except over semantics.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 6:07:28 PM
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CoeurdeLeon
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And for the record those of us who had expressed some of the strongest disagreements here have have found that we were really not nearly as far apart as it seemed. Talking it out we have realized that we mostly agree.
Right. It's been mostly a difference of focus rather than a difference of opinion.
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RE: Did She ASK for It? - 11/23/2008 7:11:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: lightbeamrider
i am male. i am not homosexual. To castrate an infant male is not an option. i do know of two males who after having negative experiences with females went homosexual. Know the reverse is also true. Women turn lesbian because of negative experiences with men. After reading most of these posts in one sitting; the back and forth my reaction was negative. It would appear the rift which exists between men and women is growing wider in how things are viewed. There is a growing hatred which exist between men and women which is just beneath the surface. That is what i saw. That is what i reacted to. I don't want to inflame things anymore.
Grace and mercy. I don't know if u are evil or not. I do know there are evil women out there. Surely u are not suggesting otherwise. As for me i only have control over my own decisions. I choose to be law abiding. i choose to be single and celibate. Peaceful co-existence is fine with me.
I'm glad to hear that it's not an option. You perfectly illustrated your point about reading through these threads and being swept away by the reactions of posters by doing the same thing. As has been stated, many of us here are friends within this forum. These discussions are a good way of helping us come to an understanding of why we believe what we do, why others believe as they do, and come to respect one anothers differences.
When I first read your castration comment, I was blown away. Not knowing anything about you, I had to make some assumptions. I assumed you were female and that your thinking was a result of extreme feminism. I was brought back to a time in which I worked with a group of people making decisions about funding and programs for a domestic violence batterers program. The program was run by women who also ran the women's shelter. I hated going to those meetings because of all the male bashing. I vowed that if one of them ever picked up a pair of scisors during one of those meetings I was going to be the first man out the door.
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