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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:07:00 AM
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blessedinnyc
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No I am just point out the odvious. That you believe the sickness cannot be spiritural or mental or emotional or delayed.
I also notice you use the word 'just" before spiritural and mental". Humm
Well, is this something we can take an unbiased measure of? Surely, there must be some sort of independently-confirmable evidence that Liberals get "sick" because they take communion.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:08:49 AM
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I cannot believe, forgive me if I am mis-judging you, that you make such light of the Lord's discipline. It tells us not to do this in Hebrews.
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No I am just point out the odvious. That you believe the sickness cannot be spiritural or mental or emotional or delayed.
I also notice you use the word 'just" before spiritural and mental". Humm
Well, is this something we can take an unbiased measure of? Surely, there must be some sort of independently-confirmable evidence that Liberals get "sick" because they take communion.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:09:15 AM
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P31W
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is this something we can take an unbiased measure of?
No. So your asking the question was in my opinion more of treating God flippant than it was treating him with respect. And those who are dying or dead probably won't be online to cast a vote.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:09:22 AM
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blessed there are good democrats who are Christians that are pro-life, and anti- homosexual. It has nothing to do with color, or political party. I have voted for democrats ( local) that had the same values as Christanity. I will not vote for someone who is like Bo, because as much as I wanted to be able to vote for him, I could not because he was totally against the light the Lord has given us.
And you saying John McCain and other republican candidate are along with “ the Light the Lord has given us” ?
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:12:14 AM
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P31W
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Notice she said that Boe was "totally against the light the Lord has given us".
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:13:25 AM
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lightshineon
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Yes Born-again, I do actually. MC is not perfect, but is not out-right reprobate in his belief on abortion and gay marriage.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:14:52 AM
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blessedinnyc
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So Christians shouldn't vote their conscience?
Oh, of course they should, but they should also vote with their brains.
Me? When someone tells me that I have to vote for XYZ or I'm going to hell or the country is going to hell, I pause for a moment and try to understand their reasoning. If I agree with their reasoning, I'll vote that way. If I don't have enough information to agree with their reasoning, I almost always automatically vote the other way to counteract all of the people who will listen to them without thinking about it too hard.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:16:36 AM
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lightshineon
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I vote trying to save the unborns brain from being sucked, and skulls collapsed.
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So Christians shouldn't vote their conscience?
Oh, of course they should, but they should also vote with their brains.
Me? When someone tells me that I have to vote for XYZ or I'm going to hell or the country is going to hell, I pause for a moment and try to understand their reasoning. If I agree with their reasoning, I'll vote that way. If I don't have enough information to agree with their reasoning, I almost always automatically vote the other way to counteract all of the people who will listen to them without thinking about it too hard.
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Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:17:32 AM
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blessedinnyc
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No. So your asking the question was in my opinion more of treating God flippant than it was treating him with respect. And those who are dying or dead probably won't be online to cast a vote.
I take this issue seriously, and I believe that if what you say is true- that God cares about this wonderful little government that we have created and made so important- there should be some evidence of this. It's pretty reasonable that if I should be worried about getting sick after voting for a liberal and taking communion, there should be some sort of independent evidence of other people getting sick.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:21:57 AM
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Greetings blessedinnyc. Do you know what the procedure is for partial birth abortion?
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:26:17 AM
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blessedinnyc
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I cannot believe, forgive me if I am mis-judging you, that you make such light of the Lord's discipline. It tells us not to do this in Hebrews.
I'm not making light of the Lord's discipline- I'm making light of mere mortals who would are taking God's authority for themselves and trying to discipline those who voted in a way they don't like. I don't know about you, but I normally go directly to God for my information, and if God is sending me a message by way of a Priest or another person, I am asking said person to supply some evidence.
Prophets who couldn't produce evidence that they were prophets were to be stoned under Levitican laws, so at the very least, allow me to treat people claiming to speak with God's authority (but without any evidence of said authority) with the humor they've got coming.
< Message edited by blessedinnyc -- 11/14/2008 11:34:48 AM >
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:28:50 AM
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Greetings blessedinnyc. Do you know what the procedure is for partial birth abortion?
I don't support PBA, and that issue is largely moot at this point as it has been made illegal. The Dems who opposed the ban did so largely because there was no provision to allow it for the mother's long-term physical health.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:30:50 AM
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vvmyrss
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It is illegal now, but it won't be January 20.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:32:33 AM
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_jjp_
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I cannot believe, forgive me if I am mis-judging you, that you make such light of the Lord's discipline. It tells us not to do this in Hebrews.
I'm not making light of the Lord's discipline- I'm making light of mere mortals who would are taking God's authority for themselves and trying to discipline those who voted in a way they don't like. I don't know about you, but I normally go directly to God for my information, and if God is sending me a message by way of a Priest or another person, I am asking said person to supply some evidence.
The priest is basing his request on the beliefs of his Church and is standing up for them.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:35:36 AM
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blessedinnyc
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It is illegal now, but it won't be January 20.
IIRC, the ban has no sunset provision, and Democrats will have trouble repealing it.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:38:02 AM
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blessedinnyc
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The priest is basing his request on the beliefs of his Church and is standing up for them.
So then if he's really doing this on orders from God, Liberals at his church will be getting sick, right?
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:40:02 AM
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_jjp_
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The priest is basing his request on the beliefs of his Church and is standing up for them.
So then if he's really doing this on orders from God, Liberals at his church will be getting sick, right?
Nowhere have i claimed that and i am quite sure that i have never heard that from any Catholic.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:43:16 AM
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It is illegal now, but it won't be January 20.
IIRC, the ban has no sunset provision, and Democrats will have trouble repealing it.
I believe she was referring to the Freedom of Choice Act, which will nullify the ban. Although it still must pass Congress first. (A Congress with large Democratic majorities likely to vote for it, unfortunately.)
-Robb
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:46:57 AM
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To those criticizing this priest, allow me to pose a question: is it a sin to not oppose an evil agenda when you are presented with an opportunity to do so?
-Robb
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:47:53 AM
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Born_Again
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Yes Born-again, I do actually. MC is not perfect, but is not out-right reprobate in his belief on abortion and gay marriage.
So you saying , Mccain is a sinner , just like you and I, who is saved by grace ( I assume Mccain is born again) but as long as he is pro-life, we can vote for him, but Obama, who is also a sinner saved by grace ( I assume he is born-again) , but as long as he is not pro-life we can’t vote for him?
Could you please show me from Scripture One sin has more consequence then other sin? In another word can you show me one sin is worse then another sin?
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 11:59:32 AM
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To those criticizing this priest, allow me to pose a question: is it a sin to not oppose an evil agenda when you are presented with an opportunity to do so?
-Robb
Well the Priest is hypocrite. He is not following his own Church doctrine. According to Catholic doctrine, capital punishment is sin. According to Catholic doctrine there is no difference between abortion and capital punishment. So when priest vote for republican he is still committing sin ( according to catholic theology) yet he tells others that they can’t be part of communion because they are sinning.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 12:03:09 PM
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Consecrated2God
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Wow, God bless this priest who is willing to take a stand for truth. I wish more pastors had his kind of guts.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 12:04:44 PM
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blessedinnyc
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To those criticizing this priest, allow me to pose a question: is it a sin to not oppose an evil agenda when you are presented with an opportunity to do so?
-Robb
I consider it an abuse of power to deny communion to those who disagree with you on anything except as it relates to the life, teachings, and claims of Christ, and even then, you'd better be sure that you're the one who's right and they're the one who's wrong. Jesus offered no teachings on abortion and denying communion to someone isn't something to be done lightly.
Peter talks in pretty plain terms about religious leaders who abuse their authority in 2 Peter 2.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 12:11:12 PM
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_jjp_
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To those criticizing this priest, allow me to pose a question: is it a sin to not oppose an evil agenda when you are presented with an opportunity to do so?
-Robb
Well the Priest is hypocrite. He is not following his own Church doctrine. According to Catholic doctrine, capital punishment is sin. According to Catholic doctrine there is no difference between abortion and capital punishment. So when priest vote for republican he is still committing sin ( according to catholic theology) yet he tells others that they can’t be part of communion because they are sinning.
Without derailing this thread, Catholic doctrine recognizes the right of the state to carry out capital punishment. From the catechism of the Catholic church:
2267 The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty, when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.
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