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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/13/2008 8:13:14 PM
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blessedinnyc
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Well, if he were ordained by God to do so, you'd think he'd be able to tell who voted for Obama and who didn't.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/13/2008 8:18:59 PM
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lightshineon
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I kind of agree with him actually. It is a serious thing according to the Lord in scripture. btw, I cannot get my computer to do link, can anyone fix it? Thanks.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/13/2008 8:19:29 PM
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Well, if he were ordained by God to do so, you'd think he'd be able to tell who voted for Obama and who didn't.
This is all you can come up with in rebuttal?
Hahahahaha!
I love this:
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Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exists constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation
Shoot, I may just have to become Catholic if they have wise and strong leaders like this!
Of course I am kidding, but I wonder why there haven't been more prominent Protestant pastors/preachers/reverends/ministers that have stated the truth as boldly as this. Too many namby-pambies out there who aren't willing to stand on God's word.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/13/2008 8:21:42 PM
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lightshineon
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right on brother.
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Well, if he were ordained by God to do so, you'd think he'd be able to tell who voted for Obama and who didn't.
This is all you can come up with in rebuttal?
Hahahahaha!
I love this:
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Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exists constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation
Shoot, I may just have to become Catholic if they have wise and strong leaders like this!
Of course I am kidding, but I wonder why there haven't been more prominent Protestant pastors/preachers/reverends/ministers that have stated the truth as boldly as this. Too many namby-pambies out there who aren't willing to stand on God's word.
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
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Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/13/2008 9:28:25 PM
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ORIGINAL: ManimalX
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
.http://news.yahoo.com/i/964
Well, if he were ordained by God to do so, you'd think he'd be able to tell who voted for Obama and who didn't.
This is all you can come up with in rebuttal?
Hahahahaha!
I love this:
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Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exists constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation
Shoot, I may just have to become Catholic if they have wise and strong leaders like this!
Of course I am kidding, but I wonder why there haven't been more prominent Protestant pastors/preachers/reverends/ministers that have stated the truth as boldly as this. Too many namby-pambies out there who aren't willing to stand on God's word.
Because most folks don't believe in a "fenced table".... Though if one's heart isn't right taking communion can be bad for your health... Folks died in the bible...
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/13/2008 9:31:20 PM
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lightshineon
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A fenced table? Enlighten me John.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/13/2008 9:51:13 PM
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Fenced table meaning communion only open to those who are "right" with God (I assume).
I don't completely agree with this, but the Lord's Supper IS supposed to be done in remembrance of Jesus, and you can't really be in full communion with Him if you are in willful sin... anyway, I was more impressed with the "cooperation with intrinsic evil" bit.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/13/2008 9:56:11 PM
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lightshineon
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It can be very dangerous according to the bible to be in willing sin, while taking the Lord's supper. I am with you, on pastors not speaking out, priest seemed more outspoken against Obama, except for the crazy one that is his friiend do not recall his name.
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Fenced table meaning communion only open to those who are "right" with God (I assume).
I don't completely agree with this, but the Lord's Supper IS supposed to be done in remembrance of Jesus, and you can't really be in full communion with Him if you are in willful sin... anyway, I was more impressed with the "cooperation with intrinsic evil" bit.
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
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Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/13/2008 10:10:21 PM
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A fenced table? Enlighten me John.
The latter verses of 1 Corinthians 11 covers the subject...
It's a term... Pastors and Elders in a sense guard the communion table... People are to examine themselves and it's arguably the duty of the Pastor and Elders having oversight of the flock to make sure that people don't make mockery of the Lord's Supper... Some Reformed Churches and Covenanters generally have a fenced table where only members are allowed and not visitors.
It's a bit to read, but this is very good stuff on the subject...
http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/2865.htm
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/13/2008 10:20:51 PM
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lightshineon
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Thank you.
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A fenced table? Enlighten me John.
The latter verses of 1 Corinthians 11 covers the subject...
It's a term... Pastors and Elders in a sense guard the communion table... People are to examine themselves and it's arguably the duty of the Pastor and Elders having oversight of the flock to make sure that people don't make mockery of the Lord's Supper... Some Reformed Churches and Covenanters generally have a fenced table where only members are allowed and not visitors.
It's a bit to read, but this is very good stuff on the subject...
http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/2865.htm
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
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Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/13/2008 11:16:41 PM
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Well, at least protestants don't have the market cornered on nutters.
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Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/13/2008 11:23:34 PM
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Yes, the last place on earth the should have standards is a church... How dare they... 
Well, it's not like admitted sinners should be setting high standards...
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 12:02:07 AM
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The bible doesn't teach that the church should lower the bar or cater to man's whims to reflect society ill's.
The Bible also doesn't teach that our taking of communion is contingent upon our choice of elected officials. It's been pointed out here numerous times why this line of thinking is faulty both from theological and pragmatic perspectives.
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Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 12:10:53 AM
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The bible doesn't teach that the church should lower the bar or cater to man's whims to reflect society ill's. Paul, the chief of admitted sinners should set high standards...
I guess you're right. Everyone who considers themself a sinner should forgo communion; it is only for perfect people.
I think you're interpreting Paul the wrong way.
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The Lord's Supper isn't a joke... As stated, people got sick and died who partook hat didn't respect it... Church's and folks that treat it like a snack are asking for it...
It isn't a joke and we should take the Lord's Supper seriously; it was paid for by the blood of Christ, and what Paul is actually getting at is that those who understand and respect this are worthy of Communion.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 12:15:02 AM
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SovereignIsHe
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The Bible also doesn't teach that our taking of communion is contingent upon our choice of elected officials.
The bible teaches that actions have consequences... The bible doesn't have to say verbatim it's wrong to support someone who champions evil agendas... One's choice of whatever and whomever is accountable...
As well the church has a standard and if people don't desire to honor those standards they should find a group that shares their view...
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It's been pointed out here numerous times why this line of thinking is faulty both from theological and pragmatic perspectives.
By those who believe they can claim Christ and support agendas that conflict with His word... Though I haven't seen much of a theological perspective, other than people claiming to be Christians saying it's wrong which doesn't make it a theological perspective, but a rationalization.
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 12:21:47 AM
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I guess you're right. Everyone who considers themself a sinner should forgo communion; it is only for perfect people.
I guess you have no real argument so you make up a outright false claim and attach it to me... Nice try...
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I think you're interpreting Paul the wrong way.
I think you don't have a clue...
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It isn't a joke and we should take the Lord's Supper seriously; it was paid for by the blood of Christ, and what Paul is actually getting at is that those who understand and respect this are worthy of Communion.
Which is why "high standards" are an issue for you? Btw. we got at what Paul was getting at 10 posts ago...
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 12:29:44 AM
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I guess you're right. Everyone who considers themself a sinner should forgo communion; it is only for perfect people.
I guess you have no real argument so you make up a outright false claim and attach it to me... Nice try...
I'm gonna guess you don't see the irony in that...
-Dan.
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Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 1:07:44 AM
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I applaude the Priest for holding to the Principles of the church. I think its about time that American Churches rediscover this little thing called Church Discipline. I think that if more churches practicecd church discipline like they are suppose to America would not be in the shape it is today.
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 1:16:46 AM
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I guess you're right. Everyone who considers themself a sinner should forgo communion; it is only for perfect people.
I guess you have no real argument so you make up a outright false claim and attach it to me... Nice try...
I'm gonna guess you don't see the irony in that...
Thanks for admitting you have no argument either...
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RE: Priest, asking those who voted for Obama not to tak... - 11/14/2008 1:44:06 AM
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Thanks for admitting you have no argument either...
Well, both of us have an excellent argument, but it is difficult for us to get perfect people to get it...
Oh well... for those who are not as perfect as Jesus, God still loves you and offers forgiveness.
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