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The (in)tolerant left - 11/13/2008 2:42:44 PM
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freakofnature
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So now that Obama has been elected, does this mean that instantly our country has gone from intolerant slave loving racist KKK members to utopian members of the Great Society...
I think not
And other Examples
and HERE
WILL ANY ONE ON THE LEFT STAND UP AND CONDEMN THESE HIDEOUS ACTIVITIES OH AND DON"T FORGET ABOUT THIS
Where is the outrage where is the all out condemnation!!!!
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/13/2008 3:25:39 PM
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Freak!!!
J/K
You already know the answer to the question.
This election was a "no-win" senario for race issues. If Obama were not elected it would have been because of racism and since he was elected all criticism will be race based. Everyone knows that freedom loving, thinking people will always embrace liberal thought. Conservative thought is oppressive at best... just listen to MSNBC, they will tell you. What kind of racist questioin is this anyway...
The girl in the shirt had some nerve... why is it that so many on the left are so nasty? The right generally has a civil approach and the left benerally is hateful and name-calling, of course they don't see it that way.
There it is again... hate, violence from the tolerant crowd. Persecution is on the way !! Today its the LDS people, tomorrow it will be YOU, (unless of course you are not a witness.)
As for the antigay blacklist... maybe if you live in the area you can patronize these people. Give them your business!
If these people are going to be hateful and if they are going to attack us let it be for the sake of the Gospel. I understand that we must make a stand in our society, at the ballot box and in whatever voice we may have but also...
Our focus, as Christians, must turn to the gospel in the coming days. We, as Christians, must know the love of God and we must understand that He has made us white as snow, He has made us spotless and without wrinkle... by His grace. We stand faultless and justified before God by faith through grace. We lack nothing. We are loved by God and we are totally free from spot. This is the "good news" of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is what the world needs to see and hear. Not that they are wrong but that through Christ men are reconciled to God. Righteousness will follow once men understand that they are clean and set free. No man can live any sort of godly life until he, or she, understands that they are made clean and are not under judgement.
If we are persecuted let it be for the sake of the Gospel and not because we accuse someone of unrighteousness.
Julien
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/13/2008 4:28:27 PM
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WILL ANY ONE ON THE LEFT STAND UP AND CONDEMN THESE HIDEOUS ACTIVITIES
I'm reminded of the song Where have all the Flowers Gone, only with a slight change...
Where have all the liberals gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the liberals gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the liberals gone?
Girls have picked them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/14/2008 2:35:34 AM
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I am not a Democrat and I am not an extreme right wing Republican. I am a compassionate conservative who loves the American People. I will be the first to come out and denounce all those despicable acts committed by these senseless liberals in the OP. With that said, I have a very important message for the Christians as well. Are we not likewise just as guilty everyday of committing sexual immorality (eg: lust, sexual idolatry, fornication, adultery) and/or some type of unethical behavoir? If any man or woman is not guilty of these everyday sins, then I challenge you to cast the first stone......
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/14/2008 1:00:14 PM
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I just learned that there is a site where people can look up the names and addresses of those that signed the petition to get Amendment 2 on the ballot in Florida. I imagine that the release of those was covered by our "Government in the Sunshine" laws, but I wonder about the legality of them being posted on the web by the opposition to the bill. I worry about what their real motives are.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/14/2008 1:29:24 PM
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So far there have been about 140 reviews of my OP but yet only 4 comments yet not one, SINGLE, leftist liberal member of CCM has stood up to say that the activities of the Left are completely unhinged and no one in the Massive mainstream media will report on it either??? Look out for the next four years because this is what we are in for.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/14/2008 2:09:46 PM
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I am not a Democrat nor I am an extreme right wing Republican. I am a compassionate conservative who loves the American People. I will be the first to come out and denounce all those despicable acts committed by these senseless liberals in the OP. With that said, I have a very important message for the Christians as well. Are we not likewise just as guilty everyday of committing sexual immorality (eg: lust, sexual idolatry, fornication, adultery) and/or some type of unethical behavoir? If any man or woman is not guilty of these everyday sins, then I challenge you to cast the first stone......
No Johnny, not every day but yes... I have had to deal with sin in my life. we all have to deal with the flesh. The difference between the Christian who sins and the homosexual movement is that the Christian knows and admits that he/she is wrong... asks for forgivness, gets up and trys again.. even if it is over and over... eventually most of us realize that we are no longer what we used to be and we submit, we begin to ealk in the Spirit. Our experience catches up with our position in Christ.
However, the homosexual movement says that they are doing nothing wrong. They insist that God made them this way and that what they are doing is righteous. This, IMO, is why God has such a big problem with homosexuality... it seem's to be a different sort of thing. You see the difference right? Both groups sin. One repents, know's it is wrong, and struggles to overcome. The other group does not repent, says nothing is wrong, and fights to make darkness into light.
Huge difference there... but I agree... none of us are sinless, some however are righteous. Blessed is the man to whom God will not impute sin. What does that mean? It means that one to whom God will not impute sin is in Christ and he/she hates the sin that he/she does.
We do not judge the people outside of the church, that is Gods job. However, we must take a stand against homosexual marriage. Some may say, as Olberman does, "What is the problem, how is this hurting you"?
Let me answer that... Marriage is not and was not founded by government but was established by a holy God and is a picture of Christ and the Church, His bride. To sanction homosexual marriage is to insult God... and I will not sit by and say that it is ok. It IS a problem. It is my business because I care about my Father and His honor.
(i'm not saying that you approve of this homo marriage, I just decided to tack it on here)
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/14/2008 2:37:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: freakofnature
So far there have been about 140 reviews of my OP but yet only 4 comments yet not one, SINGLE, leftist liberal member of CCM has stood up to say that the activities of the Left are completely unhinged and no one in the Massive mainstream media will report on it either??? Look out for the next four years because this is what we are in for.
Where have all the liberals gone... 
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/14/2008 2:37:59 PM
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Julien,
I certainly do not approve of homosexuality and any other social values that the liberals condone. But at the same time, I certainly do not approve of the extreme cynicism that I have seen from the far right conservatives. I just wanted to expose the serious errors on both sides.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/14/2008 2:43:04 PM
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Julien,
I certainly do not approve of homosexuality and any other social values that the liberals condone. But at the same time, I certainly do not approve of some of the extreme cynicisms that I have seen from the far right conservatives as well. I just wanted to expose the serious errors on both sides.
Exactly.
What does the Bible say about condemnation? About judgment? What is our roles as LIGHTS of Christ?
It certainly isn't to condemn so-called "liberal" thinkers.
You asked where my condemnation is? It's reserved for people who think like I do and are prideful for it.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/14/2008 8:58:27 PM
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A conservative makes a stand for Truth and he is angry, bitter and aggresive.
A liberal stands for sin and he is a freedom lover, feels our pain, and promotes social justice.
Truth is hate. Sin is love.
Its coming....its coming.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/14/2008 11:34:51 PM
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What does the Bible say about condemnation? About judgment? What is our roles as LIGHTS of Christ? It certainly isn't to condemn so-called "liberal" thinkers. You asked where my condemnation is? It's reserved for people who think like I do and are prideful for it.
We are allowed to judge honestly and righteously. If homosexuality is detestable by God as the scripture states, then those who engage in this abomination will be punished for eternity in hell. Therefore, if your a supporter of gay marriage, then you are supporting something that is an abmination before the Lord. I would strongly urge you not to be in that position......
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/15/2008 9:45:57 AM
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ORIGINAL: freakofnature
So far there have been about 140 reviews of my OP but yet only 4 comments yet not one, SINGLE, leftist liberal member of CCM has stood up to say that the activities of the Left are completely unhinged and no one in the Massive mainstream media will report on it either??? Look out for the next four years because this is what we are in for.
The activities of the left aren't completely unhinged, sorry.
Also, picking out a few incidents as being somehow representative of the whole is uncool.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/15/2008 10:37:06 AM
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ORIGINAL: freakofnature
So far there have been about 140 reviews of my OP but yet only 4 comments yet not one, SINGLE, leftist liberal member of CCM has stood up to say that the activities of the Left are completely unhinged and no one in the Massive mainstream media will report on it either??? Look out for the next four years because this is what we are in for.
The activities of the left aren't completely unhinged, sorry.
Also, picking out a few incidents as being somehow representative of the whole is uncool.
Would you denounce them as you have other incidents that weren't liberal in nature?
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/15/2008 11:02:10 AM
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ORIGINAL: freakofnature
So far there have been about 140 reviews of my OP but yet only 4 comments yet not one, SINGLE, leftist liberal member of CCM has stood up to say that the activities of the Left are completely unhinged and no one in the Massive mainstream media will report on it either??? Look out for the next four years because this is what we are in for.
The activities of the left aren't completely unhinged, sorry.
Also, picking out a few incidents as being somehow representative of the whole is uncool.
Would you denounce them as you have other incidents that weren't liberal in nature?
I'm not sure what you're saying here.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/15/2008 11:36:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: LivingParadox
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ORIGINAL: huangshan
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ORIGINAL: freakofnature
So far there have been about 140 reviews of my OP but yet only 4 comments yet not one, SINGLE, leftist liberal member of CCM has stood up to say that the activities of the Left are completely unhinged and no one in the Massive mainstream media will report on it either??? Look out for the next four years because this is what we are in for.
The activities of the left aren't completely unhinged, sorry.
Also, picking out a few incidents as being somehow representative of the whole is uncool.
Would you denounce them as you have other incidents that weren't liberal in nature?
I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Basically and clearly say these actions, whether you agree with the instigators views or not are categorically wrong and intimidation on either side should never be a method of furthering your view. In other words denounce such actions.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/15/2008 11:54:39 AM
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Sure.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/16/2008 12:44:48 AM
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What does the Bible say about condemnation? About judgment? What is our roles as LIGHTS of Christ? It certainly isn't to condemn so-called "liberal" thinkers. You asked where my condemnation is? It's reserved for people who think like I do and are prideful for it.
We are allowed to judge honestly and righteously. If homosexuality is detestable by God as the scripture states, then those who engage in this abomination will be punished for eternity in hell. Therefore, if your a supporter of gay marriage, then you are supporting something that is an abmination before the Lord. I would strongly urge you not to be in that position......
Why do you assume I support gay marriage? Why is it the role of the state to declare what is marriage and what isn't? Why is the GLBT movement so adament on having themselves written into the law if they have equal benefits? I live in California. What do you believe I voted for?
That said, the judgment you speak of isn't reserved for you. Those who engage in the act of homosexuality aren't abominations or directly condemned to hell. There are those in the church who actively believe that homosexuality is a sin and it's a continuous struggle for them and there are those who revel in it and view it as their identity. Either way, I want to get to know both of those people and see the same healing the Spirit brings me for my struggles.
You see, fortunately for us, God doesn't compartmentalize sin like we do. What's worse...lying or stealing? God doesn't care for it is wicked all the same. Homosexuality or masturbation? How about murder or adultery? God doesn't play favorites with sin.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/16/2008 9:14:35 AM
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Sin is sin. Excusing sin is a sin. No bible believing christian can biblically support homosexual marriage and be right with God...
fact.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/16/2008 11:28:14 AM
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You see, fortunately for us, God doesn't compartmentalize sin like we do. What's worse...lying or stealing? God doesn't care for it is wicked all the same. Homosexuality or masturbation? How about murder or adultery? God doesn't play favorites with sin
Not 100% accurate. Sure sin is sin, and one is as good as another as far as deserving hell goes, but i do see that God declares some sins as abominations, which seems to set those above the rest.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/16/2008 3:44:28 PM
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What does the Bible say about condemnation? About judgment? What is our roles as LIGHTS of Christ? It certainly isn't to condemn so-called "liberal" thinkers. You asked where my condemnation is? It's reserved for people who think like I do and are prideful for it.
We are allowed to judge honestly and righteously. If homosexuality is detestable by God as the scripture states, then those who engage in this abomination will be punished for eternity in hell. Therefore, if your a supporter of gay marriage, then you are supporting something that is an abmination before the Lord. I would strongly urge you not to be in that position......
Good post.
I worry about this young generation, the children of today. God is well able to savebut I am still concerned. Seem's it used to be that the Church influenced society whereas these days... society influences the Church. Society should have NO influence on the Church... NONE.. EVER...
J
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/16/2008 3:51:21 PM
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You see, fortunately for us, God doesn't compartmentalize sin like we do. What's worse...lying or stealing? God doesn't care for it is wicked all the same. Homosexuality or masturbation? How about murder or adultery? God doesn't play favorites with sin
Not 100% accurate. Sure sin is sin, and one is as good as another as far as deserving hell goes, but i do see that God declares some sins as abominations, which seems to set those above the rest.
I agree.
This is from Wikipedia and is the Jewish views on sin and it is Biblical.
1: Pesha (deliberate sin; in modern Hebrew: crime) or Mered (lit.: rebellion) - An intentional sin; an action committed in deliberate defiance of God; (Strong's Concordance :H6588 (ôùò pesha', peh'shah). According to Strong it comes from the root (:H6586); rebellion, transgression, trespass.
2: Avon (lit.: iniquity) - This is a sin of lust or uncontrollable emotion. It is a sin done knowingly, but not done to defy God; (Strong's Concordance :H5771 (avon, aw-vone). According to Strong it comes from the root (:H5753); meaning perversity, moral evil:--fault, iniquity, mischief.
3: Cheit - This is an unintentional sin, crime or fault. (Strong's Concordance :H2399 (çÇèÈÌà chate). According to Strong it comes from the root khaw-taw (:H2398, H2403) meaning "to miss, to err from the mark (speaking of an archer), to sin, to stumble."
Sin, in general, brings the wrath of God but sins have differences... OR... there is a difference between sin and sins.
J
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/16/2008 6:40:36 PM
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I agree.
This is from Wikipedia and is the Jewish views on sin and it is Biblical.
1: Pesha (deliberate sin; in modern Hebrew: crime) or Mered (lit.: rebellion) - An intentional sin; an action committed in deliberate defiance of God; (Strong's Concordance :H6588 (ôùò pesha', peh'shah). According to Strong it comes from the root (:H6586); rebellion, transgression, trespass.
2: Avon (lit.: iniquity) - This is a sin of lust or uncontrollable emotion. It is a sin done knowingly, but not done to defy God; (Strong's Concordance :H5771 (avon, aw-vone). According to Strong it comes from the root (:H5753); meaning perversity, moral evil:--fault, iniquity, mischief.
3: Cheit - This is an unintentional sin, crime or fault. (Strong's Concordance :H2399 (çÇèÈÌà chate). According to Strong it comes from the root khaw-taw (:H2398, H2403) meaning "to miss, to err from the mark (speaking of an archer), to sin, to stumble."
Sin, in general, brings the wrath of God but sins have differences... OR... there is a difference between sin and sins.
J
I believe different sins bring different consequences. In that respect, yes, sins are different.
The Jews made a degree of sin so it makes sense to them. In reality, it isn't supposed to make sense. It's impossible for us to fathom a pedophile who commits his despicable acts is sinning in the same degree as a five year old deliberately lying to his parents about who breaking the vase. Sin is sin is sin.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/16/2008 6:54:59 PM
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Good post.
I worry about this young generation, the children of today. God is well able to savebut I am still concerned. Seem's it used to be that the Church influenced society whereas these days... society influences the Church. Society should have NO influence on the Church... NONE.. EVER...
On the contrary; society is what we mold our message around. For instance, society in Japan (my area of interest) is much different of that in South Africa. If I'm going to sing South African style worship songs in Japanese, how can I expect that to reach the hearts of the Japanese? If South African's primary focus on God is His control over evil spirits, why would I beat that in to Japan when their primary focus on God is his ability to redeem their sin? The point is, you can't pick up a church in Japan and place in South Africa and expect results. As one of my favorite speakers once said: You can make a worship song and sing it in Spanish but that doesn't make it Mexican.
Now, I assume you didn't mean to imply what I said and only meant that Liberal America shouldn't be changing the Word. And to an extent, you're right. Social issues will arise that the Church needs to address. Instead of simply reacting, however, the church (the local churches in each community), needs to be apart of each community. Get to know the people who make up your city and BE the light. Take love and truth with you, wherever you go and let the Spirit do the hard work in the people.
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RE: The (in)tolerant left - 11/16/2008 8:27:01 PM
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Get to know the people who make up your city and BE the light.
ANd that's the heart of it all. We don't get to know anyone outside our circle of influence. heck, I'm convinced more than ever that most folks don't really even know those within their own families. Seek first to understand, then be understood.
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