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Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? I ke... - 11/11/2008 7:50:54 PM
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JAGAwak3
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Hey everyone! Well I've been doing a lot more studying of my bible (please pray that I continue to do so!) and more so studying the whole aspect of politics/government involvement (due to the obvious elections this year). I've just been wrestling with questions about what parts of the old testament can I take and apply to my life today? For example...
In Isaiah 1, Isaiah tells the people of Judah that due to their leaders not following God's civic law, he has "turned his back on their prayer". I'm just wondering that even though this was directed to Judah as part of God's "chosen people" can we apply this principle to us today? Since Judah at the time had the ability to recommend (wouldn't go as far as to say "vote") their leaders and put them in power, isn't that the same thing we do in America?
What about in Psalm 33:12 where it says, "Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, The people whom He has chosen for His own inheritance." so would this mean that if our nation's God was the Lord we would be blessed?
I'm just struggling with these verses since I feel that it could truly answer my question on ether it is right for me as a Christian to be involved with politics in the first place. Since some people think that we are called to be "set apart", but I don't feel anywhere in the bible does it say that we shouldn't be involved with politics... I mean David was a King! And God wasn't mad that he was. I mean even Jesus never said that we shouldn't be involved with politics, but then again he never said we should.
Just I feel this is one of those topics in the bible that is in the middle, where as we can lean to far to the left (as in shouldn't be involved with at all), or shouldn't lean to far to the right (as in shouldn't have politics as our life and blood, and it before God).
I just find it very hard to take principles from the Old Testament since people I talk to say "Well that was just applied to Israel and that doesn't affect us per say", so to me that just means that basically the Old Testament was just a "story" telling us how things became, and I don't view the Old Testament as that.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/11/2008 8:51:14 PM
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Though some find fault with the details of the Tanach(old testiment), those same people are often happy to accept certain principles when it fits their chosen message. We have the same groups today that were in Jerusalem when the Messiah was here on earth. We have "zealots ", who want tolegislate morality by force. We have "pharasees" who insist that everyone accept their various doctrines. We have "sadducees" who also have doctrine, but only live for this life. We have "Harodians" who will compromise with the governing authorities in order to make their lives more comfortable. We have "Essenes" who want to have nothing to do with anything secular. That is just those who claim to be following the Scriptures.
Now, all of these groups today believe they have the Messiah's blessing. Which group am I in. The one that is right of course. LOL.
So yes, I would say almost everyone who proclaims to follow the Messiah derives principles from the Tanach(old testiment). The question is what principles and are they valid.
I believe in the blessings and curses of the Tanach and even if one says they are only for Israel, I claim to be part of Israel by adoption. However, if one studies the whole of the Scriptures one finds many blessings and curses applied to "the nations".
Regarding your first eample, I would say that if we just pray for our nation to be better, but do nothing to make it so, Adonai will not bless us. Now, as I elluded to above, the devil is in the details. What specifically are we to do. Our differences on these details often put us at cross purposes.
This leads to your second example. I am a bottom up person. I believe the only way Adonai can be the Lord of this nation is for Him to first be the Lord of my life, then the Lord of my household, then the Lord of my community, then and only then the state.
Therefore, in my opinion, before we go marching out to "take back the Temple from Antiachus" we must first get our own houses in order.
As for me and my house, we are taking a gun safety class in commemoration of Hanukah.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/12/2008 12:21:35 AM
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Generally speaking, the prophecies and admonitions before Pentecost after Jesus' resurrection was to the nation Israel looking forward to their Messiah. The church universal can(and should)apply them personally as applicable but not to the church as a whole for obedience to Him fosters further obedience thus it is it's own reward. The first covenant is a top/down approach while with the indwelt HS the new covenant is a bottom/up approach
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/12/2008 12:59:34 AM
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Bluethread, I understand completely what you are saying! That's what I was feeling is just that this is one of those things that it is impossible to be accepted among all Christians who have different appeals to the bible. And I guess there are positives and negatives to all the different groups listed. And that was my general sense of using it, that we are all "god's chosen people" now, and I wouldn't see why God would go from a God of sending Isaiah to to the people accusing them of electing bad leaders, to now-a-days saying we shouldn't? I view that would be saying God changd his mind, and I think that would ruin a sense of who God is... I don't think God changes his mind.
LCannon, I agree with you too, I view that as me personally, I can't go "legislate morality" if that morality isn't "legislated" in my own household. I would be a hypocrite. So what you are saying is that the different principals taught in the bible (not necessarily like dietary laws) are on more so a personal basis rather then speaking to the nation (as the world) as a whole. I just wish I could find some book or resource that would answer these questions for me, I sat in my University's library today just looking over all these books about how to teach the Old Testament, and how to understand it, but none of them talked about the basic principal of just "what does it mean in my life?" which I find kind of funny since I would see that as the whole basis of wanting to know!
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/12/2008 2:41:59 AM
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I sat in my University's library today just looking over all these books about how to teach the Old Testament, and how to understand it, but none of them talked about the basic principal of just "what does it mean in my life?" which I find kind of funny since I would see that as the whole basis of wanting to know!
The problem with study guide approaches is that we are all unique in one sense or another so no one but Adonai Himself can say what is the answer to every specific situation in each person's life. Therefore, a general circulation book can't really speak to ones personal life. There are some things we all generally have in common. I believe the whole of the Scriptures give us these general guidelines and examples of some fairly common situations one might find oneself in. This includes examples of what Adonai Himself did when He was in our sandles so to speak.
To help fill the gaps He also gave us instruction on how to interact with others in our search to more clearly understand these instructions and examples. That I believe is what is behind the Shema(Duet 6) and Paul's instruction to not forsake the gathering of ourselves together.
Finally, in Duet 30:11-14 we are told, 'Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.'
His Spirit has been trying to write His Word on our hearts from the beginning and Jeremiah assures us that there will come a time when we will not need a written code, for we will see this process completed. Paul repeats this when he says, (Php 1:6) "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"
Until then Paul tells Timothy, (2Tim 2:15) "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth."
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/12/2008 8:58:25 AM
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Isaiah 1 is really an indictment of all the people, not just the leaders. We can apply it, but perhaps not in the same way. Biblical Israel was supposed to be a theocracy. God allowed them to have kings, but warned that it wouldn't go well. As usual, he was right. They had a few good kings, but mostly not. The entire nation fell into idolatry, and so God says, "look, you can't run around with all these idols all the time and then just expect me to bail you out when you're in trouble. Partly because I'm the one you're in trouble with."
The U.S. was never supposed to be a theocracy. I would stop short of saying that we are an explicitly Christian nation, though the idea of human rights in general is an explicitly theistic notion. I would say we should apply this to our individual lives rather than to our national situation. You are not responsible for what Barack Obama, or Pres. Bush, or anyone else does or believes. But we shouldn't be surprised if we turn away from God in our actions and then don't receive the answers we want in our prayers.
I don't mean to say that if we act a certain way, God will give us what we want. It would be more accurate to say that if we live for God, we will want what he wants. I just mean we can't put God on the shelf and then expect him to be on board with our agenda.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/12/2008 2:26:42 PM
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You are not responsible for what Barack Obama, or Pres. Bush, or anyone else does or believes.
I am not sure I completely agree with this statement. We are responsible for our leaders because we allow them to have the power. We do need to be sure we are on solid ground in our position, because Adonai does allow leaders to have power for various reasons we may not be aware of. The story of Ester is a good example of this. That said, we also see in the book of Ester that we are to do what we can to mitigate any damage that may be done by the person we allow to lead us.
One may say, "I have no choice.", but Paul responds to this by saying, (Heb 12:4) "In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood." These are pretty harsh words, but Paul appears to have earned the right to say them.
2 Cor 11:23-28 "Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers. I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches."
So, what are we to do specifically. Unlike Paul, I don't believe I have earned that right to answer that one. I would just say one is to do what one can to expand the influence of Adonai's kingdom.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/12/2008 4:44:16 PM
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I just have never understood why some want to wade thoough the Old Tesatament and try to find something that mentions Christ or an event in their lives when the Old testament only points to the New Testament.
Every thing we need to know about life, God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit. eternal life; and how to live is plainly laid out in the New Testament. Christ brought light into the darkness; so why wander around in the darkness, just accept the light.
Christ spoke these Words;
(Joh 17:19) And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
(Joh 17:20) Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
(Joh 17:21) That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
(Joh 17:22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
(Joh 17:23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
And of course "Their Word" is referencing the diciples whose Words are the New Testament.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/12/2008 5:29:45 PM
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You are not responsible for what Barack Obama, or Pres. Bush, or anyone else does or believes.
I am not sure I completely agree with this statement. We are responsible for our leaders because we allow them to have the power. We do need to be sure we are on solid ground in our position, because Adonai does allow leaders to have power for various reasons we may not be aware of. The story of Ester is a good example of this. That said, we also see in the book of Ester that we are to do what we can to mitigate any damage that may be done by the person we allow to lead us.
I didn't vote for Obama. There's not much I can do about it if he signs a bill into law that is directly non-biblical. All I can do is write him and/or my congressman angry letters. I didn't "allow" him to do anything. How am I responsible?
On a national level, we as a people have allowed him the power. But that doesn't go against anything I said. I was speaking on an individual level.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/12/2008 8:44:58 PM
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I didn't vote for Obama. There's not much I can do about it if he signs a bill into law that is directly non-biblical. All I can do is write him and/or my congressman angry letters. I didn't "allow" him to do anything. How am I responsible?
On a national level, we as a people have allowed him the power. But that doesn't go against anything I said. I was speaking on an individual level.
If I may quote a nonbiblical source, "No man is an island." Many of the blessings and curses are corporate. The sins of one man effect the life of another. The more we abdocate our personal responsibility to the government, the more we are responsible for it's actions. We are still responsible for our children's education even if we choose to send them to the public schools. We just have less power to control what we will be held accountable for. If we allow our children to have relationships with whomever they "fall in love with" we still bear the heartache of losing our posterity. If we depend on our employer to provide for us, we still suffer if he makes the wrong decisions. If we receive any government assistance, food stamps, crp(farm subsidy), even social securty, medicare and yes, sewer and water services, we are giving up control, but we still are responsible for the consequences. Now, we may have very good reasons for deciding to allow others to do these things for us. However, it is our decision to go with the program and man's programs never mitigate the responsibilities that Adonai has placed in our hands. Therefore, even though I did not vote for President-elect Obama, I have done many things that have made it easier for him to be elected and I will answer for all of those small decisions I have made in my personal life. That is unless Adonai chooses to be graciuos to me.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/12/2008 8:56:39 PM
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I just have never understood why some want to wade thoough the Old Tesatament and try to find something that mentions Christ or an event in their lives when the Old testament only points to the New Testament.
Every thing we need to know about life, God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit. eternal life; and how to live is plainly laid out in the New Testament. Christ brought light into the darkness; so why wander around in the darkness, just accept the light.
Christ spoke these Words;
(Joh 17:19) And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
(Joh 17:20) Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
(Joh 17:21) That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
(Joh 17:22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
(Joh 17:23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
And of course "Their Word" is referencing the diciples whose Words are the New Testament.
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Good cut and paste job. Fortunately, that is not all that His disciple recorded nor do any of those quotes say only through their words. Also, since everything we know about how to live is plainly laid out in what you call the new testiment(the writings of the Apostiles), I can tell my neighbor to feel free to marry his sister, and his mother, and his aunt, right? Sorry, there was one case where Paul talked about someone having married his mother. I guess my neighbor can only have the two wives.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/12/2008 10:23:05 PM
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According to
2 Timothy 3: 16. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof,
for correction,
for instruction
in righteousness.
17. that the man of God may be complete,
thoroughly equipped for every good work.
My thoughts:
I do believe that the OT is the foundation for our our present day beliefs. But taking versus from the OT alone would probably lead to confusion. Why? Because we have increased in our learning since then. God, through Paul, has revealed to us, mysteries that were hidden from the OT writers. Some one said that the only thing we need to know as believers, is contained between Romans and Philemon, (I like to include Hebrews in there as well).
Still, Timothy says, "All Scripture."
Comparing Scripture with Scripture to find guiding thoughts for todays dicisions, would never be wrong. This way you allow your self to be Holy Spirit guided and equipped for good works, what ever that work might be.
For what ever it's worth,
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/13/2008 12:43:15 PM
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Good cut and paste job. Fortunately, that is not all that His disciple recorded nor do any of those quotes say only through their words. Also, since everything we know about how to live is plainly laid out in what you call the new testiment(the writings of the Apostiles), I can tell my neighbor to feel free to marry his sister, and his mother, and his aunt, right? Sorry, there was one case where Paul talked about someone having married his mother. I guess my neighbor can only have the two wives.
So bluethread are you saying thay we must keep the old testament rulings?
Do you make your wife sit out in the lawn mower shed during her period.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/13/2008 1:02:08 PM
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I'm just struggling with these verses since I feel that it could truly answer my question on ether it is right for me as a Christian to be involved with politics in the first place
The OT moral laws apply to us but the ritual laws don't. If you reverse a ritual law it would not impact God's character but if you reverse a moral law it would and that's how you can identify which is which.
Politics is OK but Paul did say our citizenship is in heaven so as pilgrims in this life IMO we ought to tread lightly in politics.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/13/2008 3:58:04 PM
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So bluethread are you saying thay we must keep the old testament rulings?
Do you make your wife sit out in the lawn mower shed during her period.
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Been there done this. I told you on another thread that the laws regarding cleanliness have to do with Temple worship. If I am ever offered the opportunity to go to the temple I will aviod those things that are unclean. I have also entertained you presumption that one should be "clean" at all times. Under this presumption, one need not "make your wife sit out in the lawn mower shed". Having stated this I asked if there was a problem with an husband providing his wife with her own room in the house that is solely hers and relieving her of her household responsibilitites for one week every month. I recieved not response to this question. So, let me ask you a question that seems to match your method of interpreting the Scriptures. Have you gouged your eye out already or have you been able to keep yourself from looking at all of the bad things around you since you first read the verse regarding that issue?
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/13/2008 4:08:59 PM
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I'm just struggling with these verses since I feel that it could truly answer my question on ether it is right for me as a Christian to be involved with politics in the first place
The OT moral laws apply to us but the ritual laws don't. If you reverse a ritual law it would not impact God's character but if you reverse a moral law it would and that's how you can identify which is which.
Politics is OK but Paul did say our citizenship is in heaven so as pilgrims in this life IMO we ought to tread lightly in politics.
Isn't holiness part of Adonai's character. If ourselves and our communities are no different than any others, what does that say about Adonai's character. Also, if Adonai tells us to do something and we do not do it, doesn't that say that Adonai doesn't care if we obey Him or not? Doesn't this say that Adonai has a permissive character?
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/13/2008 5:16:57 PM
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Also, if Adonai tells us to do something and we do not do it, doesn't that say that Adonai doesn't care if we obey Him or not? Doesn't this say that Adonai has a permissive character?
Yes in fact Paul says God has a perfect will and a permissive will. I think God does care in fact so much that his Son died for us yet he also cares enough to let us stumble expecting us to learn and resume the journey.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/13/2008 5:21:27 PM
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Been there done this. I told you on another thread that the laws regarding cleanliness have to do with Temple worship. If I am ever offered the opportunity to go to the temple I will aviod those things that are unclean. I have also entertained you presumption that one should be "clean" at all times. Under this presumption, one need not "make your wife sit out in the lawn mower shed". Having stated this I asked if there was a problem with an husband providing his wife with her own room in the house that is solely hers and relieving her of her household responsibilitites for one week every month. I recieved not response to this question. So, let me ask you a question that seems to match your method of interpreting the Scriptures. Have you gouged your eye out already or have you been able to keep yourself from looking at all of the bad things around you since you first read the verse regarding that issue?
Sstill have both my eyes and all orther parts, I simply rely on the truth of Scripture;
(1Co 10:13) There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Under the Old Testament folks were under the dominion of sin; as Believers is Christ and under the New Testament we are not under the dominion of sin;
(Rom 6:14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
(Rom 6:15) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Thank you Jesus.
I take it from your post that you are not married.
Thanks
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Well thats good you shouldn't view the old testament that way, it lets us learn about God, how good he is and how his mercy endureth forever. It also holds great value and it tells of prophecies that have been fulfilled and those yet to come ( The book of Daniel). There's nothing wrong with going into politics you dont get all your answers from the bible and there are some things we are not meant to understand. The best advice I can tell you is to pray about it, ask God if its okay, if this is what you want me to do, let your Holy Spirit guide me in making the right decision, because whatever I do I want it to glorify you. Meditate on him and have patience. He listens and he'll answer you when the time is right.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/19/2008 8:08:24 PM
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chasbeck1
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To answer your question on Psalm 33:12. Yes, that is exactly what that verse means. God is Lord over all His creation and He has established His
Kingdom here on this earth. If you read the old testament concerning Israel, whenever they worshiped and served the Lord their God with all their hearts, they were a blessed nation. But whenever they turned their backs and began to serve other god's from other nations God allowed them to be overun and taken captive by their enemies. When they repented and cried out to God He forgave them and returned them to their land. Today is not different. This great nation was founded on God's
principles and values, and He has blessed this nation. As we drift away from those principles we can see what is happening. We need to pray that
the hearts of the people will return to God and He will once again bless this land. God's Word is true be it the old testament or the new.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/21/2008 10:28:08 PM
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yes you can. what was sin then was sin now. also the Old Testitment foreshadowed the future many times. humans are still them same nature then. we may have more tech but we are still the same. we may not have the same false gods dont exsict but flase gods are still worships. money sex and homosexuality are still exist today. the thing i dont get is how are we going to witness from afar. we need to meet with them and tell them about God and Jesus' love for them. Jesus didnt invite them to church and that be all he did. he went to them and preached. we are Christians that means we should be Christ-like. and Jesus didnt witness from afar and just invite them to church. he brought the church to them and left the rest up to God. he preached love and didnt condem them. Read the book "the Cross and the Switchblade" it is a great example of what God will do if we bring the word to people at there place and not bring them to a church were most people are hipocrits.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/22/2008 3:34:22 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: cchsfcaleader
yes you can. what was sin then was sin now. also the Old Testitment foreshadowed the future many times. humans are still them same nature then. we may have more tech but we are still the same. we may not have the same false gods dont exsict but flase gods are still worships. money sex and homosexuality are still exist today. the thing i dont get is how are we going to witness from afar. we need to meet with them and tell them about God and Jesus' love for them. Jesus didnt invite them to church and that be all he did. he went to them and preached. we are Christians that means we should be Christ-like. and Jesus didnt witness from afar and just invite them to church. he brought the church to them and left the rest up to God. he preached love and didnt condem them. Read the book "the Cross and the Switchblade" it is a great example of what God will do if we bring the word to people at there place and not bring them to a church were most people are hipocrits.
Just a note. If one wants people to respect their opinions, it is important that they present their ideas in a clear and articulate manner. I know IM and chat rooms tend to overlook disjointed sentences, improper spelling, capitalization and punctuation. However, when one is discussing complicated issues in a forum, it is important to communicate clearly.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/27/2008 5:22:34 PM
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Sammy_S
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Of course,but lets not ask If a passage applies to us when reading the word of God.First we must understand what the scripture meant to whomever it was written to and in context if it is applicable to us,we follow it.
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RE: Can we apply parts of the O.T. to our lives today? ... - 11/30/2008 11:27:26 AM
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HaEmethKawthawb
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woops...unfortunately I read the moderator's note AFTER I posted my thoughts about the Law. I have moved those thoughts to the appropriate thread.
Shalom~
Karen
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