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Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 4:41:39 PM
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solomonsprayer
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Hypothetically, if someone disagreed with Barack Obama's policies and wanted to do something about it and decided to lead a group of people to set bombs against Barack and his administration (killing some people in the process), would you be shocked and saddened and upset?
Say that person 40 years later said he wished he'd done more to overthrow Obama, would that remain despicable?
Would you want to hang out with that person who felt no remorse over his/her actions toward Obama and feels people are allowed to use whatever means necessary to promote their causes?
...Ok, all this is hypothetical, but I'm obviously trying to draw a parallel between this hypothetical and the William Ayers/Barack Obama association (accepting money from Ayers for his Illinois Senate campaign, serving on same board, and also hanging out at Ayers' house, etc.)...
Does there seem a kind of hypocrisy over all of this if Americans accept Ayers and the associatin with Obama, but would then repudiate a hypothetical person above who did the same things against Obama? Is it a kind of free-pass for the Left/Radicals? ..Or for Blacks?.... Would this be an accurate parallel?
Just trying to get people's thoughts. 
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 5:01:24 PM
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hypocrisy
that says it all and it's been going on for decades.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 5:11:09 PM
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Ayers, for many liberals of today, represents the "recreate the hate" period of the late 60s & early 70s that so many of them look back on wistfully. Power to the people, take on 'the man', all that.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 6:29:30 PM
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First of all, I think the thought of this shows that is there are people who are still ignorant, let alone they want to wish this to happen. And that is very, very sad coming from those who are professing christians. No wonder the world looks at us funny because of thoughts like this.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 6:40:53 PM
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First of all, I think the thought of this shows that is there are people who are still ignorant, let alone they want to wish this to happen. And that is very, very sad coming from those who are professing christians. No wonder the world looks at us funny because of thoughts like this.
Hey Gayle,
I think there may have been some misunderstanding in how you interpreted my post. I'm sorry if it was confusing. Just wanted to clarify, so you understood what I was trying to say.
The main thing is that I was NOT NOT NOT supporting at all bombing Obama's house or the White House!!! Whew! ...That would never cross my mind. 
I'm not sure if my language was clear enough, but I was trying to make a kind of hypothetical point in saying if this had hapened, would we be outraged in the same way that William Ayers bombed the Pentagon, NY police station, and White House killing several people in the process and saying he wish he'd done more on the day after the 9/11 attacks? The reason I made this seemingly outrageous comparison (I admit, I could have maybe tried to use a different, less offensive analogy, but I thought it was the most accurate to make the point at that time) was to ask if people gave Ayers and Obama a free-pass for their Radical/Left-wing politics (or due to fears of charges of racism for questioning Obama's personal circle....unlike how they tore apart Sarah Palin) and if so, does this analogy make them think twice? It was meant to be a jarring question, but not one that promotes violence. I'm sorry if it came off that way and want to make the correction and make it clear I am not in any way advocating any sort of act whatsoever! I hope you can reread my OP for context and what I was hoping to convey.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 6:49:53 PM
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I'ts ok... 
I may have gotten the feeling about this title because I was under the impression that people would think that they won't be shocked if the house was bombed, given the political climate these days and especially this election--I know a lot of people had thoughts, some from the christian community wishing this and that (And I'm not putting blame on everyone--and I'm trying to be gracious here) and this was a very big election, something which people has not seen in a life time. On the other hand, hoping everyone learned the lessons from the civil right movement, I hope and pray that everyone do not have those thoughts or wishing that way, but to pray for the man and his protection. I know a lot of people do not agree with results or the election, and that's ok and yes, we can agree to disagree, but in a respectful, safe manner.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 7:02:28 PM
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I'ts ok...
I may have gotten the feeling about this title because I was under the impression that people would think that they won't be shocked if the house was bombed, given the political climate these days and especially this election--I know a lot of people had thoughts, some from the christian community wishing this and that (And I'm not putting blame on everyone--and I'm trying to be gracious here) and this was a very big election, something which people has not seen in a life time. On the other hand, hoping everyone learned the lessons from the civil right movement, I hope and pray that everyone do not have those thoughts or wishing that way, but to pray for the man and his protection. I know a lot of people do not agree with results or the election, and that's ok and yes, we can agree to disagree, but in a respectful, safe manner.
K, no problem at all. I am happy to continue discussing various aspects of the election too in a hopefully civil and respectful way. But I can understand some of the high emotions surrounding the recent elections as well. There were many issues and viewpoints/ideologies at stake and also social/cultural issues surrounding the '08 elections. In taht sense, I think we are all still sorting through what happened and why and also finding meaning it it all. I know I am still having my own views shaped and reshaped with different bits of information each time I think about the elections and hear or see new things about it.
Well...this was just another one of my curiosities, so let's see where this questiosn/discussion leads us!
And let us talk with love and respect!
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 7:15:48 PM
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I am shocked at the level of hatred that was shown in this election. I am still outraged that the hanging noose of Sarah Palin is considered free speech....to me that was mean spirited.
YES!!! I would be surprised if someone really tried to bomb any house of Obamas. He probably has the best security available to anyone at this time.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 7:22:13 PM
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I don't agree with Obama, but I'd rip out the heart of anyone who threatened him. He's still my president and I honor the office and I'll protect him at ALL costs. I'm going to judge Ayers b/c I'm not for sure about him or what he did. If he wanted to kill someone, then shame on him. That's horrible.
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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer
Hypothetically, if someone disagreed with Barack Obama's policies and wanted to do something about it and decided to lead a group of people to set bombs against Barack and his administration (killing some people in the process), would you be shocked and saddened and upset?
Say that person 40 years later said he wished he'd done more to overthrow Obama, would that remain despicable?
Would you want to hang out with that person who felt no remorse over his/her actions toward Obama and feels people are allowed to use whatever means necessary to promote their causes?
...Ok, all this is hypothetical, but I'm obviously trying to draw a parallel between this hypothetical and the William Ayers/Barack Obama association (accepting money from Ayers for his Illinois Senate campaign, serving on same board, and also hanging out at Ayers' house, etc.)...
Does there seem a kind of hypocrisy over all of this if Americans accept Ayers and the associatin with Obama, but would then repudiate a hypothetical person above who did the same things against Obama? Is it a kind of free-pass for the Left/Radicals? ..Or for Blacks?.... Would this be an accurate parallel?
Just trying to get people's thoughts.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 7:25:58 PM
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Actually, I'm mostly shocked that anyone would use this thread's framework as an argument.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 7:34:36 PM
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Would I be shocked if someone bombed 0bama's house? No, I would just assume ol' neighbor Ayers had a mishap in his hobby room.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 8:12:30 PM
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Would I be shocked if someone bombed 0bama's house? No, I would just assume ol' neighbor Ayers had a mishap in his hobby room.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 9:56:28 PM
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I'm not sure if my language was clear enough, but I was trying to make a kind of hypothetical point in saying if this had hapened, would we be outraged in the same way that William Ayers bombed the Pentagon, NY police station, and White House killing several people in the process and saying he wish he'd done more on the day after the 9/11 attacks?
William Ayers DID NOT kill or even hurt anyone. How is your point "hypothetical"? Ayers 60's radical movement was about the vietnam war. He was not bombing the President-elect's house. So my answer is YES, I would be shocked, outraged, and disappointed if someone bombed Obama's House.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 10:55:28 PM
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I'm not sure if my language was clear enough, but I was trying to make a kind of hypothetical point in saying if this had hapened, would we be outraged in the same way that William Ayers bombed the Pentagon, NY police station, and White House killing several people in the process and saying he wish he'd done more on the day after the 9/11 attacks?
William Ayers DID NOT kill or even hurt anyone. How is your point "hypothetical"? Ayers 60's radical movement was about the vietnam war. He was not bombing the President-elect's house. So my answer is YES, I would be shocked, outraged, and disappointed if someone bombed Obama's House.
Members of the Weather Underground were killed trying to assemble a bomb. Fortunately no one else was killed, although Bill Ayers said that innocent people have to die in a revolution (according to an undercover FBI agent). Some, however, were injured and their lives forever changed, which is what terrorism does to people.
His movement was not just about the Viet Nam war. It was about taking over the government and converting it to Communism.
No one other than the press and those who live around Obama can get anywhere near his home so his home is safe. There are roadblocks and police there.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 11:19:14 PM
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Why even bring this up? HOw is this, "Loving thy neighbor?" 
Well, a lot of people ignored this association when it was first brought to light. Many people were hurt by the terrorist activities and some were frightened. I remember when it happened. I was a little younger than Bill Ayers but I remember thinking that disagreeing with the government wasn't worth trying to kill people over. It was very serious back then. And so...
it should be serious today, actually maybe more serious since 9/11. I think the point is to draw an analogy. Forty years later, Bill Ayers isn't sorry for what he did and wished they had done more. He has been photographed walking on the American flag. And yet President-elect Obama has had a friendship with him, sat on a board with him, dispersed money donated to that board, and gave speeches with him. Was a guest in Bill Ayer's home. If he had political aspirations he should have been more careful about who he associated with.
Anyway, this was brought out during the campaign and people didn't CARE! People care about terrorism unless it means showing any criticism of Barack Obama. It's hypocritical.
How did Bill Ayers "love his neighbor"? And how does Barack Obama "love his neighbor" by associating with someone who bombed federal buildings and who wanted to take over the government? He needs to take things like that seriously if he's going to protect the American people.
Why can't we talk about these things? We have sure talked about Bush. The media was downright cruel to Sarah Palin but never asked a difficult question of Barack Obama.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 11:24:06 PM
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I'm not sure if my language was clear enough, but I was trying to make a kind of hypothetical point in saying if this had hapened, would we be outraged in the same way that William Ayers bombed the Pentagon, NY police station, and White House killing several people in the process and saying he wish he'd done more on the day after the 9/11 attacks?
William Ayers DID NOT kill or even hurt anyone. How is your point "hypothetical"? Ayers 60's radical movement was about the vietnam war. He was not bombing the President-elect's house. So my answer is YES, I would be shocked, outraged, and disappointed if someone bombed Obama's House.
I'm not sure how accurate Sean Hannity is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt3ij72oq2E
But I got my information from his one hour special (shown on the YouTube video link above) where he and others discuss Obama's radical associations, including William Ayers. They talk abut how Ayers led and mastermined several of the attacks that hit the Capital, NY Police Station, and Pentagon and killed several people in the process.
But whether it was accurate or not, the fact that Ayers led the group and taught them how/when to set bombs is in itself shocking. He was against what the American government stood for and used terrorist tactics that hurt people and governmentn property, while John McCain was sacraficig his body so Ayers could live freely in the U.S. and express all the freedoms he's entitled to - which include saying publicly the day after 9/11 he wished he'd done more.
I guess that's the parallel I'm drawing out. If someone did that who disagreed with Obama's foregin policy and 40 years later was not sorry for what he did, would that be someone we'd want to hang out with the way Obama did? And if not, was that a double standard used to vet Obama in the media?
EDIT: here is the direct link (part 3 of the program)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a59fxYqyAKc&feature=related
The video shows even worse acts...they targeted to kill a specific family (Murtagh family)! (The survivors are interviewed.)
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 11:43:08 PM
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I could be wrong. They may have killed more people. I know that Ayers and Dorhn were tried and got off on a technicality. Bill Ayers later said, "Guilty as h***, free as a bird. What a country!" Or maybe that was the name of his book, which he dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan who murdered Robert F. Kennedy.
It's very sickening to me and yet I know that a lot of people weren't born yet. Obama was only 8yrs. old. But I still maintain that if he wanted to get into politics he should have been more careful. But as it turned out, I guess no one cared.
Even the Kennedy's didn't seem to take notice. Maybe they didn't read the dedication part of Bill's book.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 11:47:25 PM
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would you be shocked and saddened and upset?
I'd be saddened and upset, (after all that's not the right way to dispose of him, Let God do it. We mustn't lower ourselves to democrat level) but I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 11:48:30 PM
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I could be wrong. They may have killed more people. I know that Ayers and Dorhn were tried and got off on a technicality. Bill Ayers later said, "Guilty as h***, free as a bird. What a country!" Or maybe that was the name of his book, which he dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan who murdered Robert F. Kennedy.
It's very sickening to me and yet I know that a lot of people weren't born yet. Obama was only 8yrs. old. But I still maintain that if he wanted to get into politics he should have been more careful. But as it turned out, I guess no one cared.
Even the Kennedy's didn't seem to take notice. Maybe they didn't read the dedication part of Bill's book.
I see. Those do seem quite unrepentant and taunting quotes from Ayers. I, too, need to read up more on it.
But as I pointed out in my above post with a link to the YouTube video from Sean Hannity's one-hour special, Ayers had no problem killing people (the part where they talk about the Detroit Police/restaurant bomb is sick) to achieve his goals and that alone was frightening. He was definitely a terrorist by all accounts and that he would say on the day after 9/11 he wish he'd done more to overthrow the U.S. is even more sad. Had he repented and changed , it would have been more understandable for Obama to have hung out with him and worked together.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/11/2008 11:53:28 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised.
I didn't vote for him, don't trust him,don't agree with 80-90% of his views.
BUT I will pray for his protection and that he will receive truth and wisdom to lead.
I certainly hope no harm comes to him. It would be one of the worst things that could happen in country.
BUT, that said:
I will be writing,calling,e-mailing and screaming to oppose his beliefs and prevent them from becoming the law of the land.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/12/2008 12:06:04 AM
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I found it strange ayers voted about the same time Obama did on election day, at the same voting station. I saw it on the news myself, I do not know just found it starnge, and also telling.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/12/2008 12:10:41 AM
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I think that Obama has several radical associations and if he were trying to get a cabinet position he wouldn't pass security. But, no one cares.
I, too, will pray for him that he will change his mind about abortion and his Socialist plans for the country. And I'll pray for his safety.
I think it would be wonderful if he turned out to be a great President. But I have a very different world view and moral values so I doubt I could ever see it that way.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/12/2008 1:07:04 AM
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They will never be "official" cabinet members or advisors, but rest assured, they will be advising in private.
Milliecat: thanks for the wisdom from a person who remembers Ayers' and Dohrn's terrorism.
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RE: Would You Be Shocked If Someone Bombed Obama's House? - 11/12/2008 9:33:04 AM
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Hypothetically, if someone disagreed with Barack Obama's policies and wanted to do something about it and decided to lead a group of people to set bombs against Barack and his administration (killing some people in the process), would you be shocked and saddened and upset?
yesquote:
Say that person 40 years later said he wished he'd done more to overthrow Obama, would that remain despicable?
yesquote:
Would you want to hang out with that person who felt no remorse over his/her actions toward Obama and feels people are allowed to use whatever means necessary to promote their causes?
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