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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/12/2008 8:29:41 AM
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ekserekseez
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Yes she did. Her citizens are very poor as are the ones in my own state. My state is a HUGE welfare state. She is trying like the governor of my state to teach her citizens a better way. It's called working and using all your resources to the best of your ability.
If she were allowed to "drill" you would see that her state could fall to the bottom of the hand out list. But the "federal gov" won't let her.
My governor is very conservative. But when your "citizens" are not willing to do what they need to do it's hard to bring up your state. You must make the hard decisions that are going to hurt the "poor" to begin with because it's the poor who are often not willing to do more to bring up their own skill level.
Yes, yes, liberals always have an excuse to take money out of other people's pockets and "redistribute." This is, of course, called SOCIALISM.
If she were allowed to drill, almost none of the money would go to Alaska. The oil fields are almost entirely on federal lands, to whom corporations will pay for drilling rights. The feds, not the state, will get most of those revenues. And of course the profits from drilling will go to the companies drilling, not to Alaska.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/12/2008 8:38:39 AM
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I have been involved in oil drilling. Guess what. You don't drill it form another location. It must be drilled "on location". That means there must be suppliers, restraunts, housing, walmarts, doctors, lawyers and the like close buy the drill sites to service the work, workers and their families. Drilling in and of itself creates jobs. You must have engineers, geological folks and a whole host of people working at just one location. These are pretty good paying jobs.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/12/2008 9:14:10 AM
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Can you explain how it is that a nation (whichever tribe from which you descend), or more generally a race of people who have been conquered, can still have a distinct cultural identity, several centuries after initial conquest? On one hand, I have to give the USA credit because here we are, several hundred years later, and there is still a distinct Native American population and culture. On the other hand, my heart goes out to a people on the verge of cultural extinction.
Because Native Culture is greater than the Caucasian genocide inflicted upon them would be my guess. Your history is also off to. The 18th and 19th were the key centuries and I would say the 19th even more important than the 18th as far as its impact on Natives. That hardly classifies as "centuries ago".
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/12/2008 9:34:59 AM
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Can you explain how it is that a nation (whichever tribe from which you descend), or more generally a race of people who have been conquered, can still have a distinct cultural identity, several centuries after initial conquest? On one hand, I have to give the USA credit because here we are, several hundred years later, and there is still a distinct Native American population and culture. On the other hand, my heart goes out to a people on the verge of cultural extinction.
Because Native Culture is greater than the Caucasian genocide inflicted upon them would be my guess. Your history is also off to. The 18th and 19th were the key centuries and I would say the 19th even more important than the 18th as far as its impact on Natives. That hardly classifies as "centuries ago".
Century = 100 years
Native American tribes had conflict with Europeans as early as the late 1400's. Your date of the late 19th century was only the tail end of major armed conflict, but it had been going on for quite some time.
If you don't like my use of "centuries" that is fine. That isn't really the point, though.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/12/2008 12:37:11 PM
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Its not okay to take away the hunting and fishing rights of anyone who has no other way to get food.
What Sarah was wanting/trying to do is what all good executives try to do with the resources they have. In real estate it's called "highest and best use of the land".
Sarah was being a "good steward".
If it's at the expense of an entire population who will die it can hardly be considered best use of the land. That doesn't sound like good stewardship at all. More like greed.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/12/2008 1:10:22 PM
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If it's at the expense of an entire population who will die it can hardly be considered best use of the land. That doesn't sound like good stewardship at all. More like greed.
Oh please; no populations are going to 'die' as a result of the intitiatives Palin has taken.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/12/2008 3:42:43 PM
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PHW.... you conflict me, somehow.
Can you explain how it is that a nation (whichever tribe from which you descend), or more generally a race of people who have been conquered, can still have a distinct cultural identity, several centuries after initial conquest? On one hand, I have to give the USA credit because here we are, several hundred years later, and there is still a distinct Native American population and culture. On the other hand, my heart goes out to a people on the verge of cultural extinction.
I'm Cherokee, ManimalX. We still have distinct cultural identies mostly because we refuse to let go of who we are. The Scots, Welsh, Cornish, and Irish have done the same thing for over a thousand years in the UK, and everyone admires them for it. Over here, we're called "unpatriotic" and other derogatory things because we won't melt into the pot.
But if you look around the US, there's LOTS of cultures who don't melt into the pot, Southerners, Cajuns, cowboys, New Englanders, the Amish and Mennonites, New Orleanians, and so on. Does anyone ever stop to think just how boring it would be if everyone was alike?
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/12/2008 3:48:20 PM
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I'm Cherokee, ManimalX. We still have distinct cultural identies mostly because we refuse to let go of who we are. The Scots, Welsh, Cornish, and Irish have done the same thing for over a thousand years in the UK, and everyone admires them for it. Over here, we're called "unpatriotic" and other derogatory things because we won't melt into the pot.
But if you look around the US, there's LOTS of cultures who don't melt into the pot, Southerners, Cajuns, cowboys, New Englanders, the Amish and Mennonites, New Orleanians, and so on. Does anyone ever stop to think just how boring it would be if everyone was alike?
Actually, I think it would be better if there were more Cajuns. 
At least gastronomically and musically.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/12/2008 3:54:06 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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Its not okay to take away the hunting and fishing rights of anyone who has no other way to get food.
What Sarah was wanting/trying to do is what all good executives try to do with the resources they have. In real estate it's called "highest and best use of the land".
Sarah was desiring to BRING MONEY INTO HER STATE, help make her state a financially stronger one and provide for her citizens a better way of life and way of making a living. She is the governor of ALL the citizens of alaska not just a "select group". I think her idea is a wise one. We need that type of good thinkers in washington.
It's the exact same type of decisions we make in our own personal family and in our businesses. It's the wise move to make. It's looking ahead not trying to stay where you are in poverty. It's about trying to "keep up" in a world economy that is not going to wait for a generation of people to do their own thing.
Sarah was being a "good steward".
So tell me where Natives and other who live in the bush- where there are no roads, no stores, no electricity and indoor plumbing(and due to the permafrost no water/sewer systems could be used anyway) supposed to go for food? Where are these jobs supposed to come from? And what authority does Palin orAlaskan gov't have over people living on FEDERALLY-OWNED or TRIBAL lands? Federal jurisdiction supercedes that of any state, as do federally recognized tribes in regards to their own land. Palin is attempting to usurp that authority. Those subsistance hunting/fishing rights are guaranteed by the federal gov't and are written into the treaties with the tribes up there, and are thus guaranteed by the US Constitution which permits the federal gov't to enter into treaties with the tribes and upholds the validity of those treaties as law.
Stripping away subsistance hunting/fishing and forcing people into starvation just so the state can make a few buck selling commercial and sport hunting/fishing licenses isn't good stewardship, it's greed.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/12/2008 4:38:09 PM
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PHW.... you conflict me, somehow.
Can you explain how it is that a nation (whichever tribe from which you descend), or more generally a race of people who have been conquered, can still have a distinct cultural identity, several centuries after initial conquest? On one hand, I have to give the USA credit because here we are, several hundred years later, and there is still a distinct Native American population and culture. On the other hand, my heart goes out to a people on the verge of cultural extinction.
I'm Cherokee, ManimalX. We still have distinct cultural identies mostly because we refuse to let go of who we are. The Scots, Welsh, Cornish, and Irish have done the same thing for over a thousand years in the UK, and everyone admires them for it. Over here, we're called "unpatriotic" and other derogatory things because we won't melt into the pot.
But if you look around the US, there's LOTS of cultures who don't melt into the pot, Southerners, Cajuns, cowboys, New Englanders, the Amish and Mennonites, New Orleanians, and so on. Does anyone ever stop to think just how boring it would be if everyone was alike?
Hey, PaleHawkWoman, I'm part Cherokee! I hear my Indian name is Tamaqua (my given name is Tamara)... I think It means land of the running water. :)
Back to the regularly scheduled thread.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/12/2008 5:29:37 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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PHW.... you conflict me, somehow.
Can you explain how it is that a nation (whichever tribe from which you descend), or more generally a race of people who have been conquered, can still have a distinct cultural identity, several centuries after initial conquest? On one hand, I have to give the USA credit because here we are, several hundred years later, and there is still a distinct Native American population and culture. On the other hand, my heart goes out to a people on the verge of cultural extinction.
I'm Cherokee, ManimalX. We still have distinct cultural identies mostly because we refuse to let go of who we are. The Scots, Welsh, Cornish, and Irish have done the same thing for over a thousand years in the UK, and everyone admires them for it. Over here, we're called "unpatriotic" and other derogatory things because we won't melt into the pot.
But if you look around the US, there's LOTS of cultures who don't melt into the pot, Southerners, Cajuns, cowboys, New Englanders, the Amish and Mennonites, New Orleanians, and so on. Does anyone ever stop to think just how boring it would be if everyone was alike?
Hey, PaleHawkWoman, I'm part Cherokee! I hear my Indian name is Tamaqua (my given name is Tamara)... I think It means land of the running water. :)
Back to the regularly scheduled thread.
Tamaqua would be how Tamara would be pronounced as Cherokee (we say Tsa-la-gi) in reality has no "r" sound.
Water in Cherokee is a-ma (same 2 syllables as salt but pronounced Ah-ma rather than ah-Mah). In Cherokee water does not "run" as it is not a thing with legs, but a-ma a-(li)-te-lv-hv-s-ga-o denotes "water that is perpetually in motion. Moving waters such as a creek or stream (u-s-ti u-we-yv) or a river (e-quo-ni) or a spring (a-ma ga-nu-go-gv) each has a distinctive name-> note that a river is not a "big creek" or that a creek is not a "small river".
The verb for motion is different for living things such as people and animals than it is for water, rocks, or other inanimate things.
oh, the syllables with "v"? V is pronounced as a short nasalized "uh".
Syllables with a ()- only the first letter is sounded, so a-(li)-te-lv-hv-s-ga-o is pronounced ah-l-tay-luh-huh-sgah-o.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/12/2008 6:42:21 PM
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So you admitted that you didn't need Sarah Paolina on the ticket. McCain lost the independent vote all for nothing?
I have no idea how you could read that in my post.
"so whatever support I gave him was only in an effort to keep a much worse person from being in office. The reality is an election in this country is always between two people; and anyone who didn't vote for McCain helped put Obama in office, plain and simple. "
Do you want me to translate? You voted for McCain to keep Obama out.
Let me demostrate. Would you voted for McCain even if Palin wasn't on the ticket?
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/13/2008 4:31:53 AM
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Actually, I think it would be better if there were more Cajuns.
At least gastronomically and musically.
Well thank you sir, we Cajuns do take pride in our food and music only makes it better.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/13/2008 9:01:11 AM
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Jhud
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"so whatever support I gave him was only in an effort to keep a much worse person from being in office. The reality is an election in this country is always between two people; and anyone who didn't vote for McCain helped put Obama in office, plain and simple. "
Do you want me to translate? You voted for McCain to keep Obama out.
Let me demostrate. Would you voted for McCain even if Palin wasn't on the ticket?
First off, I partly voted for McCain to keep Obama out, and almost certainly would have voted for him otherwise unless he had put someone notably antagonistic to a conservative agenda (like Joe Lieberman) on the ticket.
But that is irrelevant to the fact that any number of conservatives saw Palin as a signal that McCain was going rightward, not leftward - though I would say one of his main problems was he never moved rightward enough to distinguish himself from Obama.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/13/2008 5:51:34 PM
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First off, I partly voted for McCain to keep Obama out,
You partly voted for him? Is that like being a little bit pregnant?
Maybe you didn't understand the question. Would you loted for McCain even if Palin was not on the ticket. Would any of you conservatives voted for McCain without Palin? After all, like it or not, he was nominated by the Republicans long before Palin showed up.
All it requires is a "yes" or "no" answer.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/13/2008 7:05:43 PM
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Jhud
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You partly voted for him? Is that like being a little bit pregnant?
Don't start getting denser on me now. In part, I voted for him...
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Maybe you didn't understand the question. Would you loted for McCain even if Palin was not on the ticket. Would any of you conservatives voted for McCain without Palin? After all, like it or not, he was nominated by the Republicans long before Palin showed up.
It depends on whom McCain would have picked to run with him. As I said before, there are certain running mates that would have cost him my vote.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/17/2008 9:41:52 PM
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FreddieD
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Don't start getting denser on me now. In part, I voted for him...
Not being denser at all. How do you partly vote for anyone?
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It depends on whom McCain would have picked to run with him. As I said before, there are certain running mates that would have cost him my vote.
Would not voting for McCain put Obama in office? Would McCain alone lead you to vote for him?
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/17/2008 10:41:43 PM
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Jhud
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Not being denser at all. How do you partly vote for anyone?
The same way you partly comprehend English.
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Would not voting for McCain put Obama in office? Would McCain alone lead you to vote for him?
McCain couldn't run alone, and while not voting for McCain would certainly ave put Obama in office, that fact in and of itself wouldn't be a reason I would vote for McCain.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/17/2008 10:47:16 PM
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The same way you partly comprehend English.
You actually made me laugh with this one! You really are quite funny sometimes. I knew exactly what you meant, anyway.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/18/2008 10:54:06 PM
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FreddieD
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McCain couldn't run alone, and while not voting for McCain would certainly ave put Obama in office, that fact in and of itself wouldn't be a reason I would vote for McCain.
Than you can be "partly" happy that Obama won as you can "partly" vote for McCain.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/18/2008 11:34:05 PM
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Jhud
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Than you can be "partly" happy that Obama won as you can "partly" vote for McCain.
Sure, just as I am partly happy to pay more taxes, make less money, and be less secure.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/22/2008 9:25:56 AM
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FreddieD
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Sure, just as I am partly happy to pay more taxes, make less money, and be less secure.
Well, you "partly" voted for him.
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RE: Palin Interview From Anchorage Daily News - 11/24/2008 5:15:49 PM
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Heres something about the"Palin-affect" that seems to get overlooked a lot.
Palin encourages special needs families
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