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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 7:04:36 PM
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todd_t
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Between the Domestic ParaMilitary force he's talked of building, and his 10 million person online army, it'll be pretty darned difficult to put up a decent resistance.
Actually, Bush endorsed this same idea not long ago. But I do agree it's a bad idea.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 7:06:45 PM
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And what exactly would that accomplish? It's not like you'd be able to actually DO anything about it if he did decide to set up an American Gestapo. Which, by the way, he's not.
Um yes we would. Millions of armed Americans would be able to do something about it...  Oh, and none of us are hoping this happens. I hope I'm wrong, but I am not going to dismiss the possibility of it occurring. We all know what Obama believes. His Marxist beliefs. It's been said over and over again in various threads here by others so I don't need to reiterate.
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That is part of the problem. Someone once rightly said that if we cannot learn from the past we will be sure to repeat it. And, those who chafe under our present limited government, under the Constitution, repeatedly also chafe at remembering the past as a warning for the future.
You dismiss it as if somehow the events in Russia, when the Communists took over, Germany when the NAZIs took over, Italy when the FASCISTs took over, China when the MAOISTS took over, Vietnam when the Communists took over, Cambodia when the Communists took over and North Korea when the Communists took over never took place and have nothing to say for the future.
And, you know why you chafe at this?
It's very simple. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE REPRESSIVE STATES WAS BASED ON SOCIALISM. The common thread in ALL of them was SOCIALISM. And, somehow you think YOUR socialism is going to be different. IT WILL NOT BE DIFFERENT. IT WILL BE JUST AS REPRESSIVE AS ALL THE REST.
But, you don't want to believe that. So, you must ridicule looking to the past as a predictor of the future. So, we'll end up repeating it since you now have the critical mass you need to destroy the Constitution.
I'm old enough not to be here when this all works out differently than your dreams. But, my grandchildren and, perhaps, your grandchildren WILL suffer for the stupidity of this generation and they will not call our generation anything like the "Greatest Generation". It will be more like the children in East Germany a few years ago looked back on THEIR grandparents of the Third Reich. Not all that endearingly.
Awesome post TMeeks. Why is it that people think they could do a better job of it here than what's been done elsewhere?   I simply don't understand it. All the examples you have given makes it pretty clear to me that more government doesn't mean better.
ETA: Your last paragraph makes me think of this great Reagan quote and I find it very fitting in the current environment.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
The reason you won't be able to DO anything about it is because of complacency. People are far too comfortable sitting back and talking (typing) about how bad this is or how scary that is instead of getting involved.
If you're so fearful at the mere rumor of this "security force" then get in touch with the Obama administration and become a member of that committee so it doesn't turn into what you're afraid it's going to become.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 7:07:33 PM
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Bas
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...Obama can't create this type security force by executive order because massive funding is required. Mid-terms are just two years out and plenty of stink can be made at the local level to affect enough Reps. to derail this nonsense....
So this is why you say it won't happen? Funding and local opposition?
It would be nice if this couldn't happen because the president elect wouldn't have proposed and wanted something so unconscionable in the first place.
And for the record, I think the current congress will give Obama funding for anything he wants.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 7:11:58 PM
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You gotta explain yourself on that bit of nonsense! 
Actually, I don't.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 7:12:51 PM
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I think I've mentioned it before on the Forum, but my guess is the "foot soldiers" would be recruited from the ranks of the poorest and most disaffected members of our society. A good salary, not to mention the power that comes with being part of that force, would all but guarantee personal loyalty to the President, not the country.
Plus there's the Second Amendment angle. Once the "Civilian National Security Force" is in place, Obama can argue it fulfills the role of a "well-regulated militia" under the Amendment, and eliminate private gun ownership. (He only needs to flip one Supreme Court vote to get away with it.)
-Robb
And yet you favor the tax system as it is to prevent these people from rising out of the ranks of the poorest so they're chomping at the bit to join this kind of force. Funny stuff.
That isn't the problem. The problem is the breakdown of the family in the AA community. It is the welfare mentality that has kept the largest percentage enslaved to the slums.
100% right, Steph.
Hmmm. So the two of you believe that only African Americans receive welfare and live in slums. And furthermore, only African Americans come from broken families. Got it.
Of course not. The rise in the breakdown of the family is taking it's toll on all of America. At this time it's just higher in the AA community. The welfare mentality is bondage for any who suffer from it. It kills the motivation to achieve the best a person can in order to keep receiving just enough crumbs to subsist.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 7:13:16 PM
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I'm new to this forum, so first hello. this is christian site, so I must ask, has anyone read revelations? I would never make any claims against anyone. Not without evidence, so I shall watch and wait. As watchful as a serpent and as harmelss as a dove. There are a lot of pecularities with Mr. Obama. I will go on the record and say, I did not vote for him. I represent neither party, but I do vote against abortion and gay marriage. My bible and my enterpretation of it tells me not to remain silent or to support anything or anyone that is in direct contrast with my bible. There is no blood on my hands. Ezek 33:7,8,9
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 7:14:17 PM
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Actually, Bush endorsed this same idea not long ago. But I do agree it's a bad idea.
Republicans who went along with a lot of the post-9/11 insanity of things like the Patriot Act, and the ever increasing powers of the DEA, BATF, and FBI are about to do a little reaping.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 7:16:41 PM
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And what exactly would that accomplish? It's not like you'd be able to actually DO anything about it if he did decide to set up an American Gestapo. Which, by the way, he's not.
Um yes we would. Millions of armed Americans would be able to do something about it... Oh, and none of us are hoping this happens. I hope I'm wrong, but I am not going to dismiss the possibility of it occurring. We all know what Obama believes. His Marxist beliefs. It's been said over and over again in various threads here by others so I don't need to reiterate.
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That is part of the problem. Someone once rightly said that if we cannot learn from the past we will be sure to repeat it. And, those who chafe under our present limited government, under the Constitution, repeatedly also chafe at remembering the past as a warning for the future.
You dismiss it as if somehow the events in Russia, when the Communists took over, Germany when the NAZIs took over, Italy when the FASCISTs took over, China when the MAOISTS took over, Vietnam when the Communists took over, Cambodia when the Communists took over and North Korea when the Communists took over never took place and have nothing to say for the future.
And, you know why you chafe at this?
It's very simple. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE REPRESSIVE STATES WAS BASED ON SOCIALISM. The common thread in ALL of them was SOCIALISM. And, somehow you think YOUR socialism is going to be different. IT WILL NOT BE DIFFERENT. IT WILL BE JUST AS REPRESSIVE AS ALL THE REST.
But, you don't want to believe that. So, you must ridicule looking to the past as a predictor of the future. So, we'll end up repeating it since you now have the critical mass you need to destroy the Constitution.
I'm old enough not to be here when this all works out differently than your dreams. But, my grandchildren and, perhaps, your grandchildren WILL suffer for the stupidity of this generation and they will not call our generation anything like the "Greatest Generation". It will be more like the children in East Germany a few years ago looked back on THEIR grandparents of the Third Reich. Not all that endearingly.
Awesome post TMeeks. Why is it that people think they could do a better job of it here than what's been done elsewhere? I simply don't understand it. All the examples you have given makes it pretty clear to me that more government doesn't mean better.
ETA: Your last paragraph makes me think of this great Reagan quote and I find it very fitting in the current environment.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
The reason you won't be able to DO anything about it is because of complacency. People are far too comfortable sitting back and talking (typing) about how bad this is or how scary that is instead of getting involved.
If you're so fearful at the mere rumor of this "security force" then get in touch with the Obama administration and become a member of that committee so it doesn't turn into what you're afraid it's going to become.
That's where you are wrong. There has been a massive gun run. People aren't being complacent.
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 7:24:22 PM
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And what exactly would that accomplish? It's not like you'd be able to actually DO anything about it if he did decide to set up an American Gestapo. Which, by the way, he's not.
Really? I've got an AR-15 and a network of likeminded individulas who beg to differ.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 7:31:25 PM
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Bas
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Actually, Bush endorsed this same idea not long ago. But I do agree it's a bad idea.
Republicans who went along with a lot of the post-9/11 insanity of things like the Patriot Act, and the ever increasing powers of the DEA, BATF, and FBI are about to do a little reaping.
Yup.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 8:07:19 PM
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mavrick
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And what exactly would that accomplish? It's not like you'd be able to actually DO anything about it if he did decide to set up an American Gestapo. Which, by the way, he's not.
Really? I've got an AR-15 and a network of likeminded individulas who beg to differ.
word.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 8:11:23 PM
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mavrick
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Actually, Bush endorsed this same idea not long ago. But I do agree it's a bad idea.
Republicans who went along with a lot of the post-9/11 insanity of things like the Patriot Act, and the ever increasing powers of the DEA, BATF, and FBI are about to do a little reaping.
Yup.
yupyup.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 8:27:59 PM
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rnershigh
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And what exactly would that accomplish? It's not like you'd be able to actually DO anything about it if he did decide to set up an American Gestapo. Which, by the way, he's not.
Um yes we would. Millions of armed Americans would be able to do something about it... Oh, and none of us are hoping this happens. I hope I'm wrong, but I am not going to dismiss the possibility of it occurring. We all know what Obama believes. His Marxist beliefs. It's been said over and over again in various threads here by others so I don't need to reiterate.
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That is part of the problem. Someone once rightly said that if we cannot learn from the past we will be sure to repeat it. And, those who chafe under our present limited government, under the Constitution, repeatedly also chafe at remembering the past as a warning for the future.
You dismiss it as if somehow the events in Russia, when the Communists took over, Germany when the NAZIs took over, Italy when the FASCISTs took over, China when the MAOISTS took over, Vietnam when the Communists took over, Cambodia when the Communists took over and North Korea when the Communists took over never took place and have nothing to say for the future.
And, you know why you chafe at this?
It's very simple. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE REPRESSIVE STATES WAS BASED ON SOCIALISM. The common thread in ALL of them was SOCIALISM. And, somehow you think YOUR socialism is going to be different. IT WILL NOT BE DIFFERENT. IT WILL BE JUST AS REPRESSIVE AS ALL THE REST.
But, you don't want to believe that. So, you must ridicule looking to the past as a predictor of the future. So, we'll end up repeating it since you now have the critical mass you need to destroy the Constitution.
I'm old enough not to be here when this all works out differently than your dreams. But, my grandchildren and, perhaps, your grandchildren WILL suffer for the stupidity of this generation and they will not call our generation anything like the "Greatest Generation". It will be more like the children in East Germany a few years ago looked back on THEIR grandparents of the Third Reich. Not all that endearingly.
Awesome post TMeeks. Why is it that people think they could do a better job of it here than what's been done elsewhere? I simply don't understand it. All the examples you have given makes it pretty clear to me that more government doesn't mean better.
ETA: Your last paragraph makes me think of this great Reagan quote and I find it very fitting in the current environment.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
The reason you won't be able to DO anything about it is because of complacency. People are far too comfortable sitting back and talking (typing) about how bad this is or how scary that is instead of getting involved.
If you're so fearful at the mere rumor of this "security force" then get in touch with the Obama administration and become a member of that committee so it doesn't turn into what you're afraid it's going to become.
That's where you are wrong. There has been a massive gun run. People aren't being complacent.
Yup, what Steph said.  Did you read what I wrote instead of answering for me and the many others out there that wouldn't sit back and be "complacent" like you think we would? There are millions of armed Americans that would definitely DO something about it! Cuz you know, not everyone voted for Obama. There are a lot of us out there and I imagine I'm not the only one that voted McCain because they did not want Obama in the White House for all the reasons others have mentioned.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/12/2008 12:36:47 AM
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Hey Obama said it. Why doubt he means it?
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/12/2008 12:56:49 AM
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And what exactly would that accomplish? It's not like you'd be able to actually DO anything about it if he did decide to set up an American Gestapo. Which, by the way, he's not.
Really? I've got an AR-15 and a network of likeminded individulas who beg to differ.
word.
I have personally bought two new guns in the last 4 months. I need to get more ammo before 'Rack puts too much tax on it.
mavrik, love your avatar. Aircraft fascinate me. I'm no expert on modern day aircraft, but I know WWI and WWII machines. I would LOVE to have been able to fly an Albatros (any of the 5 versions) or a Sopwith against some of the Kaiser's men... *sigh* What plane is in your avatar? F-16?
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/12/2008 9:14:16 AM
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The idea of a 'Civilian Security Force' that could, in effect, bypass laws against our current military being use on civilians doesn't trouble you?
It does. Opening an Air Force base on Jupiter does as well. That doesn't mean it's likely. Obama can't create this type security force by executive order because massive funding is required. Mid-terms are just two years out and plenty of stink can be made at the local level to affect enough Reps. to derail this nonsense.
Thanks to 9/11 and resulting hysteria, we created Homeland Security on top of the FBI, ATF, CIA, etc. Then there's the problem with the depletion of state national guard resources by Iraq War, which has made natural didasters more difficult. If I'm under a pile of debris after an earthquake, then I don't care who's diggin me out. But I also don't want my daughter being on a terrorist watch list because she had a date with some guy name Omar, either.
Security issues are a delicate balancing act. I just don't see the evidence that the great one can pull it off, or whether he was just thinking out loud (he seems prone to do so).
Cow, why do you see this as such an impossibility? It wasn't so very long ago that just about everyone said, "Obama who?" And no one, in their right mind, believed this newcomer could go from a very local politician to president in record time. People would have said we'd have an AFB on Jupiter before someone like him would ever get elected as POTUS!
Apples and oranges. A long-shot candidate appears every four years.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/12/2008 10:11:53 AM
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I think I've mentioned it before on the Forum, but my guess is the "foot soldiers" would be recruited from the ranks of the poorest and most disaffected members of our society. A good salary, not to mention the power that comes with being part of that force, would all but guarantee personal loyalty to the President, not the country.
Plus there's the Second Amendment angle. Once the "Civilian National Security Force" is in place, Obama can argue it fulfills the role of a "well-regulated militia" under the Amendment, and eliminate private gun ownership. (He only needs to flip one Supreme Court vote to get away with it.)
-Robb
And yet you favor the tax system as it is to prevent these people from rising out of the ranks of the poorest so they're chomping at the bit to join this kind of force. Funny stuff.
That isn't the problem. The problem is the breakdown of the family in the AA community. It is the welfare mentality that has kept the largest percentage enslaved to the slums.
And while I'm quite certain that you are indeed an expert on the "AA community", I might encourage you to examine the fact that the majority of the volunteer U.S. military (the same audience that might be tempted by this phantom "National Security Force" that some feel Mr. Obama is advocating) come from depressed rural areas of the United States-not the "AA community" at all, but the "PW" as in "Poor White" community. Now I'll refrain from making unqualified assertations about a community that I am unaware of (the "PW" community) but I do think it is worth mentioning.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/12/2008 10:47:52 AM
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You don't really have to wait for Obama to set up any kind of special force. Would it surprise you to know that there is already a contingent of regular forces that are undergoing "special" training in how to quell uprisings of their own citizenry? Yup. Already happening people. And it's your CURRENT commander in chief and his minions that have started us down this road. It will remain to be seen where it takes us and whether Mr. Obama continues the process.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/12/2008 12:27:41 PM
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And what exactly would that accomplish? It's not like you'd be able to actually DO anything about it if he did decide to set up an American Gestapo. Which, by the way, he's not.
Really? I've got an AR-15 and a network of likeminded individulas who beg to differ.
And the pro life crowd wonders why others think they're nutjobs.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/12/2008 12:27:52 PM
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I have personally bought two new guns in the last 4 months. I need to get more ammo before 'Rack puts too much tax on it.
mavrik, love your avatar. Aircraft fascinate me. I'm no expert on modern day aircraft, but I know WWI and WWII machines. I would LOVE to have been able to fly an Albatros (any of the 5 versions) or a Sopwith against some of the Kaiser's men... *sigh* What plane is in your avatar? F-16?
Regarding ammo, I know of folks who have looked into the hobby of self re-loading shells. Depending on how much you shoot, it saves loads (pun intended) of money over the long run, but takes some time, effort, & equipment to get up & running.
And yes, thx, the avatar is a couple of F16 Tomcats - along with the login name, etc., I'm going for the whole Topgun theme (probably didn't have to explain that, but whatever). Closest I've ever gotten to anything like that is an airshow - awesome is too mild a description.
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