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Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 12:03:36 AM
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Bas
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What do you think of this? Outlandish statement from a paranoid right-winger, or real possibility?
What about a private domestic army answering only to Obama? What exactly would this force do to fill it's time? Is this a bad idea? If so, how do citizens stop it from happening?
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iRxZox4GFoIweckPDP1oRhKBlHOwD94CCDU00
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 12:09:30 AM
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I'll go with "Outlandish statement from a paranoid right-winger" for $2000 Alex.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 12:26:39 AM
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I'll take Real Possibility and Things to be Concerned About for the win.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 8:45:17 AM
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I believe we have a right to be concerned about what Obama actually plans to do. We have been throughout this election cycle because Obama was so busy talking about "change" he was never really clear or specific what he meant. This idea about a "national police force" being one of the most unsettling ideas for change that he was proposing. One minute he described it as a civilian volunteer force to go into hot spots with the militay, the next he was describing it as a civiliian volunteer para- military force here at home to augment the military as far as national security (I could be wrong since I am not working off my memory of the election campaign). Two totally different concepts, which may or may not be Constitutionally permissionable.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 9:48:52 AM
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I believe we have a right to be concerned about what Obama actually plans to do. We have been throughout this election cycle because Obama was so busy talking about "change" he was never really clear or specific what he meant. This idea about a "national police force" being one of the most unsettling ideas for change that he was proposing. One minute he described it as a civilian volunteer force to go into hot spots with the militay, the next he was describing it as a civiliian volunteer para- military force here at home to augment the military as far as national security (I could be wrong since I am not working off my memory of the election campaign). Two totally different concepts, which may or may not be Constitutionally permissionable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaAVJITx1Y
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 10:02:13 AM
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When his spokesperson talks about "ruling" from day one, then yeah, maybe we have reason to be concerned. Our Presidents lead, govern, and/or serve. They do not rule over us.
Please read the Constitution, Mr. President-elect. You and/or your staff appear to need a refresher course.
-Robb
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 10:20:39 AM
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I believe we have a right to be concerned about what Obama actually plans to do. We have been throughout this election cycle because Obama was so busy talking about "change" he was never really clear or specific what he meant. This idea about a "national police force" being one of the most unsettling ideas for change that he was proposing. One minute he described it as a civilian volunteer force to go into hot spots with the militay, the next he was describing it as a civiliian volunteer para- military force here at home to augment the military as far as national security (I could be wrong since I am not working off my memory of the election campaign). Two totally different concepts, which may or may not be Constitutionally permissionable.
He wont need them. The BATFE and DEA have been waiting for this moment.
They'll be three times as bad as when Clinton was president.
Simply sign a few executive orders and he can even include Blackwater.
Just pray Pres. Obama will have a Damascus road encounter with God.
Till then keep yur powder dry and keep it hidden.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 10:56:12 AM
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I'll take Real Possibility and Things to be Concerned About for the win.
+1
A few years ago I wouldn't think I would go here, but with the continued encroachment of the US federal government into our lives, I must put this on the watch-list now.
Of course, I wouldn't have put this past McCain, either.
Thank you, Rep Broun, for the potential headsup. FYI, Broun was one of the patriots in Congress who opposed the $700+Billion bailout twice.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 10:59:10 AM
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The idea of a 'Civilian Security Force' that could, in effect, bypass laws against our current military being use on civilians doesn't trouble you?
Maybe you don't remember Little Rock, Arkansas or Selma, Alabama. But, I do. And, maybe you don't remember the animosity that the FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, had toward Martin Luther King. But, I do. If Hoover were presiding over a 'Civilian Security Force' at the time of King's March on Washington, could it have happened? The fact that the FBI was NOT a paramilitary organization was a good thing, wasn't it?
The shallowness of the thinking on these forums is amazing. Laugh now. But, if ANY president is able to build a paramilitary organization under the Executive branch targeted at 'internal security' then Mao's Red Guards will look like boy scouts.
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I'll go with "Outlandish statement from a paranoid right-winger" for $2000 Alex.
Right you are, J! Now it's time for the Daily Double (applause). 
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 11:02:28 AM
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I've only got two and I have more than him!!!
And, like you, I don't have a PhD either!
Yet, he's QUITE accomplished you know.
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When his spokesperson talks about "ruling" from day one, then yeah, maybe we have reason to be concerned. Our Presidents lead, govern, and/or serve. They do not rule over us.
Please read the Constitution, Mr. President-elect. You and/or your staff appear to need a refresher course.
-Robb
But he's a Constitutional law "expert". 
With a stunning lack of published scholarship. I don't even have a PhD and it seems my name is on more peer-reviewed papers than his. (Vastly different fields, of course, but still.) And I've only collaborated on maybe half a dozen, tops.
-Robb
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 11:07:41 AM
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
The idea of a 'Civilian Security Force' that could, in effect, bypass laws against our current military being use on civilians doesn't trouble you?
Maybe you don't remember Little Rock, Arkansas or Selma, Alabama. But, I do. And, maybe you don't remember the animosity that the FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, had toward Martin Luther King. But, I do. If Hoover were presiding over a 'Civilian Security Force' at the time of King's March on Washington, could it have happened? The fact that the FBI was NOT a paramilitary organization was a good thing, wasn't it?
The shallowness of the thinking on these forums is amazing. Laugh now. But, if ANY president is able to build a paramilitary organization under the Executive branch targeted at 'internal security' then Mao's Red Guards will look like boy scouts.
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I'll go with "Outlandish statement from a paranoid right-winger" for $2000 Alex.
Right you are, J! Now it's time for the Daily Double (applause).
That was before my time, but you know TMeeks like someone else stated, this could be a real possibility. And you know there are enough blind supporters of Obamas that would join such an organization if he implemented it. I'm thinking of the Missouri truth squad of Obama supporters that were prosecutors and law enforcement types. Yeah, so it's a definite possibility unfortunately.   We just need to keep a close watch on him during his Presidency.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 11:24:17 AM
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cow451
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The idea of a 'Civilian Security Force' that could, in effect, bypass laws against our current military being use on civilians doesn't trouble you?
It does. Opening an Air Force base on Jupiter does as well. That doesn't mean it's likely. Obama can't create this type security force by executive order because massive funding is required. Mid-terms are just two years out and plenty of stink can be made at the local level to affect enough Reps. to derail this nonsense.
Thanks to 9/11 and resulting hysteria, we created Homeland Security on top of the FBI, ATF, CIA, etc. Then there's the problem with the depletion of state national guard resources by Iraq War, which has made natural didasters more difficult. If I'm under a pile of debris after an earthquake, then I don't care who's diggin me out. But I also don't want my daughter being on a terrorist watch list because she had a date with some guy name Omar, either.
Security issues are a delicate balancing act. I just don't see the evidence that the great one can pull it off, or whether he was just thinking out loud (he seems prone to do so).
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 1:04:10 PM
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mavrick
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Obama can't create this type security force by executive order because massive funding is required.
He could bury in an "Upgrade America's Infrastructure" bill.
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Mid-terms are just two years out and plenty of stink can be made at the local level to affect enough Reps. to derail this nonsense.
Were you asleep during the recent bailout outcry and subsequent passage?
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Thanks to 9/11 and resulting hysteria, we created Homeland Security on top of the FBI, ATF, CIA, etc.
Patriot Act was also created. Combine HS with Patriot Act, and Obama may not even need added authorization for his security force.
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Security issues are a delicate balancing act. I just don't see the evidence that the great one can pull it off, or whether he was just thinking out loud (he seems prone to do so).
Probably a little out of context, but a good reminder for these days:
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 1:11:50 PM
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So, tell us more about this Omar fellow....
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 1:13:10 PM
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blue1914
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ORIGINAL: Bas
What do you think of this? Outlandish statement from a paranoid right-winger, or real possibility?
What about a private domestic army answering only to Obama? What exactly would this force do to fill it's time? Is this a bad idea? If so, how do citizens stop it from happening?
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iRxZox4GFoIweckPDP1oRhKBlHOwD94CCDU00
With the context of the statements from Mr. Obama, it appears to be a pretty sad commentary on the congressman from Georgia if he is so unable to understand the difference between a peaceful civilian group designed to implement PEACEFUL initiatives and build goodwill towards America around the world and an armed force designed to act as a secret service.
Looking at U.S. foreign policy, I can see how the congressman made the mistake since in so many ways, it has been a "shoot first, ask questions later" type of policy. So far, if one is talking about "national security" the only thing they CAN be talking about is a show of armed force, huh? What it appears Mr. Obama was trying to say was that there is more than one way to skin a cat-what Mr. Clinton did for volunteerism with the Ameiricorp Program (which is FAR from an armed force) it appears Mr. Obama is proposing to do for the world - spread HELP and HEALING and in that way, secure our nation through goodwill. What is dismaying is that it is such a foreign concept that such silly comparisons can be made and taken seriously.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 1:56:57 PM
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LabGuy
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Obama's original comment
Direct comparison to the military, saying this force needs to be just as strong and just as powerful. The logical inference is that he is talking about an armed force.
-Robb
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 2:04:09 PM
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cow451
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So, tell us more about this Omar fellow....
Comes from a long line of tent makers. They also make attractive camo covers for Cruise missiles. Next fall, they'll unveil a line of NFL team colors ... but we're off topic.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 2:08:44 PM
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Schutzstaffel.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 2:14:38 PM
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cow451
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Schutzstaffel.
Gesundheit. Whenever the Hitler argument shows up in a discussion, it signals a hyperbolic shift.
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 3:41:09 PM
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blue1914
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Obama's original comment
Direct comparison to the military, saying this force needs to be just as strong and just as powerful. The logical inference is that he is talking about an armed force.
-Robb
Of course that is a clip of the most provocative sounding statement from Mr. Obama, cut for effect to try to make a point the poster intended.
That aside, I'm wondering what level of "logic" you feel is being applied by inferring that Mr. Obama is advocating in a public campaign speech an illegal (as in against the constitution) armed military force which reports only to him?
The premise is so silly it's laughable.
If Mr. McCain's campaign had found some way to logically spin this statement into that big of a whopper, don't you think they would have attempted to do so? I mean they had an 8 year old Barack Obama out palling around with terrorists, wouldn't they have seized upon an actual ILLEGAL statement made by Mr. Obama if they were able to do so with any level of integrity? At least on the ridiculous Ayers charges, they could place Mr. Obama at the scene of Mr. Ayers' home. In this case, this silly mis-quote would not only not stand on it's own two feet, Mr. McCain would have been laughed out if he had tried to make it on this statement-that's why he didn't in the campaign (though he did desperately need some method of overcoming Mr. Obama's popularity-if this were out there available to him, don't doubt for a second that he would have spun it to his advantage).
I'm quite certain that Mr. Obama will do many things regarding policy that you do not agree with over the next years we have him as the President of the United States. Wait until you have some of those to make fun of and have an actual point. Making silly "points" like this really cheapen the speaker making them as opposed to the target of their "arguments".
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RE: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship - 11/11/2008 3:44:22 PM
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The idea of a 'Civilian Security Force' that could, in effect, bypass laws against our current military being use on civilians doesn't trouble you?
It does. Opening an Air Force base on Jupiter does as well. That doesn't mean it's likely. Obama can't create this type security force by executive order because massive funding is required. Mid-terms are just two years out and plenty of stink can be made at the local level to affect enough Reps. to derail this nonsense.
Thanks to 9/11 and resulting hysteria, we created Homeland Security on top of the FBI, ATF, CIA, etc. Then there's the problem with the depletion of state national guard resources by Iraq War, which has made natural didasters more difficult. If I'm under a pile of debris after an earthquake, then I don't care who's diggin me out. But I also don't want my daughter being on a terrorist watch list because she had a date with some guy name Omar, either.
Security issues are a delicate balancing act. I just don't see the evidence that the great one can pull it off, or whether he was just thinking out loud (he seems prone to do so).
Cow, why do you see this as such an impossibility? It wasn't so very long ago that just about everyone said, "Obama who?" And no one, in their right mind, believed this newcomer could go from a very local politician to president in record time. People would have said we'd have an AFB on Jupiter before someone like him would ever get elected as POTUS!
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