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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/15/2008 11:50:44 PM
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Johnny_
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We need to stop blaming black people.
We need to stop blaming conservatism (or lack thereof).
We need to stop blaming the extreme right.
We need to stop blaming the moderates.
We need to stop blaming the liberals.
We need to stop blaming the independents.
We need to stop blaming young voters.
We need to stop blaming each other.
We need to stop the cynicism.
We need to humble ourselves and admit our mistakes. We have no one to blame but ourselves. We deserve what we got so we need to move on and try to reunite the party.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/16/2008 9:17:58 AM
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SonInMe1
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I don't think we need to reunite the party. We need to divide it and make it "pure" again...conservative. A move to the middle, as this election proved without a doubt kills the republican party.
Kick the liberals from our party....PLEASE!!!!!!
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/16/2008 9:48:07 AM
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LoyalGypsy
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90% of the black vote goes to liberals historically.
I don't think a black coinservative wuld garmner much attention from them...possibly a few....but, I don't think black people elected Obama anyways.
The American people did. I think Obama's skin color and he being the first of that skin color to get elected was a big factor. I think if you want to target a group with much more influence and it being historic, I would say we would have to present for election a woman. Maybe even a black woman.........
Bottom line, race or gender should NEVER be the reason why we vote for someone and I believe the result of this election will prove it. Unlike other black pioneers, I don't think Obama has the grace or courage to be under the scrutiny those other pioneers were under.
He seems set on the destruction of this nation from within ... as we speak he is attempting to distort the judicial systems and to draw into his cabinets and appointments his enemies’, in reference to the saying... keep you friends close and your enemies closer,
There are only two things to expect from that ….
When one keeps the enemy close the purpose is just that ...keeps those closest who will otherwise cause the most opposition to his agendas and corrupt that aspect… or to create more of a balance so the judicial systems radicalization will go unnoticed
We’ll soon see.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/16/2008 10:17:46 AM
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I don't think we need to reunite the party. We need to divide it and make it "pure" again...conservative. A move to the middle, as this election proved without a doubt kills the republican party.
Kick the liberals from our party....PLEASE!!!!!!
Agreed.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/16/2008 10:39:10 AM
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LoyalGypsy
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ORIGINAL: Johnny_
We need to stop blaming black people.
We need to stop blaming conservatism (or lack thereof).
We need to stop blaming the extreme right.
We need to stop blaming the moderates.
We need to stop blaming the liberals.
We need to stop blaming the independents.
We need to stop blaming young voters.
We need to stop blaming each other.
We need to stop the cynicism.
We need to humble ourselves and admit our mistakes. We have no one to blame but ourselves. We deserve what we got so we need to move on and try to reunite the party.
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we need to move on and try to reunite the party.
49 Now John answered and said, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us."
50 But Jesus said to him, "Do not forbid him, for he who is "not against us"... is on our side."
In these words " for he who is not against us... is on our side."
That principal suggests... The problem is that the party was not enough to the right…. because the principal suggests total opposites..
Meaning that when running against an extreme leftist then only way to compensate is to be extremely to the right.
LG
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...So the Persians ask that the 300 drop their arms. Leonidas responds; "Persians! Come and get them!"
300 The Movie
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/21/2008 1:44:43 PM
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I don't think we need to reunite the party. We need to divide it and make it "pure" again...conservative. A move to the middle, as this election proved without a doubt kills the republican party.
Kick the liberals from our party....PLEASE!!!!!!
Rather use a sharp sickle. Then sift the remains.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/21/2008 8:23:40 PM
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justified in going into Iraq because of 9/11
I don't know anyone who thought that 9/11 had a direct effect of going into Iraq.
Start a thread saying how we weren't justified going into Iraq and see how long it takes for somebody to make a comment about how they attacked us. I wouldn't have believed that anybody still thought that way either until I read it on here a week or two ago.
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people shouting "drill, baby, drill" w/o having any real idea of what impact our oil production will have on our energy problems
The impact would be..more oil...??
And how much impact would that have on our dependence on foreign oil, on gas prices, on long-term sustainability?
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people fighting against homosexuals in the name of preserving marriage while simultaneously ignoring (or even espousing) economic policies that build strife in the home
Preserving the sanctity of mariage will raise the possibility of more prodiuctive people which would help the economy. I am not sure these towo are related unless you consider more government programs helping people economically. They have the opposite effect. Take all the tax monies collected for welfare in this country and let people keep and spend that money and we would not need welfare.
There was a study done recently (don't have the link at the moment) examining the relationship between economic conditions and the likelihood of unwed couples staying together (and even getting married) after having a child. There was a pretty clear correlation between improved finances and increased likelihood of remaining together. It's been known for quite some time that "money" is one of the most common reasons people divorce.
If your goal really is on preserving marriage, why devote so much attention and resources to something that really has nothing to do with the success or failure of heterosexual marriages?
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people who used to claim that liberalism was based on fear now predicting that Obama will usher in a new marxist state and that our enemies will exploit his weakness and trepidation by attacking us.
I have seen a little of this.
Really? Have you been absent from this message board for the last month?
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People are a little apprehensive and sometimes they represent more fear than what they really feel. I would say, most conservaqtives cannot see the election of Obama as a good thing.
That's to be expected, but some things have really gone overboard.
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I have never met anyone who is "in the middle", esspecially christians.
How diverse is your circle of friends/acquaintences?
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I don't know how a christian can be "in the middle" when they have clear cut ideologies from the bible.
Because most political policies don't line up with clear-cut Biblical mandates.
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Its been my experience that middle of the road people are closet liberals.
If you're on the far right, folks in the middle would seem to be liberal.
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Interestingly enough, I find more people in the middle who think for themselves than I do on either fringe - in many cases, it's that same middle who many folks around hear accuse of "not taking a stand" who ARE the ones looking at both sides of issues and seeing the flaws in both arguments. Those on the fringes, blinded by dogma could benefit just as much from some critical thought as could anybody else.
LOL. Of course that's what your perception is going to be because you're in the middle.
No, that's what my perception is having been firmly in the far-right for the vast majority of my life and ultimately questioning and evaluating the things I'd been taught.
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Taking a stand is a good thing. I get up on my soap box ever once in a while (just ask my wife). I was raised to understand that there are two sides to every coin. In other words, sometimes you have to THINK before you take a stand, otherwise you may find yourself having to defend a wrong perception (and NO, I'm not talking about abortion or gay marriage). When Bush brought up the idea of invading Iraq, I thought about it. I decided it was a bad idea and I still stand on that...It was a WRONG thing to do. But, I looked at both sides of the coin before I decided. Blindly taking a stand on issues is never a good idea.
Thank you.
-Dan.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/22/2008 11:26:37 AM
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mikeman2
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If you look at recent history moderates tend to do poorly in the general election. In fact, McCain and Dole are just a few moderate fallen Republicans to indicate this fact. Simply put, people are not energized with wishy washy status quo type of positions. What they want is reform and change because Washington is obviously broken.
I think "W" single handidly destroyed the Republican party through his spend thrift ways and his poor judgment in running a war and laissez fair attitude towards the economy. I think his goals were good but his execution of those goals was horrible. Case in point is the war in Iraq and the handling with Saddam. The goal was admirable because Saddam was an evil man who invaded several sovereign countries. We see Bush Sr. deal with him that resulted in accolades around the world but then we see his son do it with world wide scorn and massive personal debt as a result. In addition, the conservative position is that government involvement in the economy should be avoided if possible, however, the government is doing things such as not enforcing laws already put on the books that restricted short selling, for example, that was put in place shortly after the Great Depression so as to help prevent another one. You see, government should have a role because just like government needs checks and balances so to does Wall Street. After all, we ALL are born with a fallen nature.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/22/2008 9:24:10 PM
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SonInMe1
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and see how long it takes for somebody to make a comment about how they attacked us.
A few fools do not prove or disprove anything other than their foolishness.
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And how much impact would that have on our dependence on foreign oil, on gas prices, on long-term sustainability?
Who knows until we drill? Fact is we pay much less for gas here than many countries and the BIG reason is we have domestic production. Logic suggests to increase domestic production will not only lower the price, but create more independance from regions who are not exactly our best pals.
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If your goal really is on preserving marriage, why devote so much attention and resources to something that really has nothing to do with the success or failure of heterosexual marriages?
When marriage is redefined, it no longer becomes marriage..or blessed by God. The family unit isn't just man's limited tradition. It was instituted by God for His purpose..to raise children and to protect the integrity of society. When marriage is redefined, the family is redefined and becomes outside of God's will.
That...is not a good thing.
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people who used to claim that liberalism was based on fear now predicting that Obama will usher in a new marxist state and that our enemies will exploit his weakness and trepidation by attacking us.
I have seen a little of this.
Really? Have you been absent from this message board for the last month?
I think you misunderstood. I agreed that this does happen. I probably did not state it well. Obama fear seems to be rampnat here and other places. Its unfounded. Obamna does not have the political clout or leadership skills to truely impact our nation.
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You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/23/2008 1:45:43 AM
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and see how long it takes for somebody to make a comment about how they attacked us.
A few fools do not prove or disprove anything other than their foolishness.
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And how much impact would that have on our dependence on foreign oil, on gas prices, on long-term sustainability?
Who knows until we drill?
Geologists.
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Fact is we pay much less for gas here than many countries and the BIG reason is we have domestic production.
No, the big reason is that we have lower taxes on oil. Plenty of oil comes out of the North Sea, but Europe's oil prices have been high for a long time. While their may be some local variation due to location-specific distribution costs, overall oil prices are set globally, not locally.
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Obamna does not have the political clout or leadership skills to truely impact our nation.
I'm hopefully optimistic that you're wrong on that. I'll concede that he probably won't live up to some of the hype, but how many things/people really do?
-Dan.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/23/2008 9:11:15 AM
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SonInMe1
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overall oil prices are set globally
I am not an expert but....it seems speculation and local refinery inabilities caused the hike in gas prices domestically.
So the main difference in european gas prices is taxes? They tax their gas 5 or more dollars a gallon? That...would certainly not support a socialist government..I would think.
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I'll concede that he probably won't live up to some of the hype
I am afraid he might.
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You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/23/2008 9:52:47 AM
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overall oil prices are set globally
I am not an expert but....it seems speculation and local refinery inabilities caused the hike in gas prices domestically.
Speculation cause oil prices to climb worldwide. Refinery issues may have caused problems, but they didn't make oil go up to $140/barrel.
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So the main difference in european gas prices is taxes? They tax their gas 5 or more dollars a gallon?
Yep.
US: $0.536/gal. UK: $3.80/gal. Netherlands: $4.20+/gal. Norway: $5.38/gal.
-Dan.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/23/2008 5:33:24 PM
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I have never met anyone who is "in the middle", especially christians.
How diverse is your circle of friends/acquaintances?
I have met people who claimed to be Christians, that were liberal. Like for instance, people that go to liberation theology churches (also known as Marxist). And don't know or believe scripture.
The reason the Republicans lost is because
- 1. They ran John McCain for president. Here are the problems with McCain:
- He was a liberal, for example McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy.
- He was 72 years old. Every time I saw him on TV, I thought he was going to fall over.
- He was an ineffective communicator.
2. Bush was also ineffective at communicating.
- For one thing he let the lie continue that Saddam had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Most people believe this lie, that has been spread by the corrupt and traitorous media, but this has been proven false by the Iraqi documents captured during the Iraqi war. Those documents are covered by the "Iraqi Perspectives project: Saddam and Terror". The most incriminating of those claims is that Saddam provided the foundation for Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and that its founder was an Iraqi Agent. The founder's name is Al-Zawahri. Of course, if you actually believe the report, which was produced by the US intelligence agencies from declassified documents, then people call you foolish. (How dare you offend their politically correct sensibilities). And would rather have Saddam still paying for suicide bombers in Israel. And his sons Odoriferous and Queasy, still running their plastic shedders, er ah, I mean abortion providers. As for foolish, I’m already a fool for Christ, what’s one more?
3. McCain overreacted to the financial crisis.
4. This is the best election that George Soros' money can buy.
5. The media was in the tank for this messiah of theirs.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/23/2008 5:44:55 PM
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I guess we felt the need to run a moderate against a superstar Democrat. You don't run a moderate against a solid liberal. Run a solid conservative who knows what in the world he's talking about.
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