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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/14/2008 1:12:32 AM
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narnia
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I like The Only Hearts Club Dolls. They are truly girls bodies and their bodies are made of cloth. Hands, feet and face are vinyl. They have the rooted combable hair and they are completely poseable. The line has a lot of horses in it too and the horse legs are poseable as well.
Bratz and Barbie are not allowed here. I tell my blessing that the name of Bratz alone is bad enough. I explain to her what brat means. I also tell her they are not dressed appropriately.
Now sometimes she'll say "It's not appopiate."
Like Maggie, I like to brainwash her young.
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/14/2008 12:42:12 PM
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pbarbibeault,
I'm glad you were not afraid to bring up Disney. So many look to this company as a god that could do no harm and always have our children's best interest in mind. I say phooey on them. I really worry about any company that has so many addicted to it. I'm not one to annouce that Satan is behind every door, but I do believe he has a boothold in that company.
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/14/2008 8:41:58 PM
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narnia
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I'm very careful about Disney myself. Some of the things they come out with...
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/14/2008 8:52:06 PM
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pbaribeault
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It's not so much Disney that I care about -- they are a company. They make money by selling what people will buy. What they produce is nothing but an indicator of what enough people think is a good thing to shell out cash for.
What bothers me is that parents consider it perfectly normal for children who are young enough to wear diapers to be looking at images that are clearly very sexy. The problem is that once things are 'normal' we stop using our eyes. We don't notice. We've somehow lost our capacity to say, "Boy, if that was a photo instead of a drawing I'd send my husband to counseling & accountability group over it." Shouldn't we be smarter than that?
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/17/2008 2:12:21 PM
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On the topic of Bratz, dd harassed us for almost a full year for Bratz dolls, make-up, etc. We kept telling her no ... Bratz was very innappropriate. One day the boys were all napping, and dd, dh and I were in the living room about to watch a movie. We happened to see Bratz on the onscreen TV guide, so dh and I decided to turn it on, just so dd could see what it was all about. In this episode, one of the girls was in the hospital for something, and another girl suggested going to visit. A 3rd girl shunned that idea immediately, as she wanted to go shopping. Commercial comes on, and dd looked at us and clarified what she had just witnessed -- one of the girls was sick and the others would rather go shopping than be with their friend. She decided right then and there that Bratz were horrible and she wanted nothing to do with them at all from that moment forward. (BTW, dd was 6 at the time)
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/17/2008 4:19:07 PM
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- one of the girls was sick and the others would rather go shopping than be with their friend. She decided right then and there that Bratz were horrible and she wanted nothing to do with them at all from that moment forward. (BTW, dd was 6 at the time)
Wow!!!!!!! That is so wonderful that your daughter already sees the importance of caring for others, and what true friendship really is, and already saw it at age 6.
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/17/2008 7:28:40 PM
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This just makes me sad and a little scared. I have a 2yr old daughter who will be 3 at the end of December and I just want to make sure I have everything I need to help protect her and give her understanding.
I also have a 4 month old son... so I have a little time before I have to start worrying about him.
I pray daily that I can keep my family safe and make sure they have the knowledge they need.
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/23/2008 7:54:12 AM
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You're right. The commercials are ridiculous. I like to watch Fox News, but have had to explain "erectile dysfunction" to our kids. (Not graphically, but enough that they could ignore future commercials of that sort.) My one daughter asked if men have to take a pill to have sex. I was so mad! (not at my daughter of course )
Speaking of those commercials, there was one of those on a couple of weeks ago and my 9-year old wasn't really listening, but caught the tail end of the commercial where they listed all the possible side effects. She heard the words, "runny nose" and got the idea that that's what it was for. She said, "I need some of that!" I had to laugh.
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/24/2008 10:42:48 AM
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I teach 5th and 6th grade SS, and I have noticed that over the last decade or so, that the kids have gotten more nasty with the bathroom humor, or not even humor, but just bathroom talk. It usually takes a lot to shock me, but sometimes even I am shocked by what they are not afraid to say in the presence of adults, and why they would want to say it at all! Propriety issues aside, it gets a little old after one or two comments. I don't think it's funny, or interesting, or anything that would make me want to listen to it, even if I thot there was nothing wrong with it. This yr has been better, b/c I have a mix of kids that are generally quieter and better behaved, but last yr, I had to actually write out rules on my chalkboard which included "no unneccessary bathroom talk". I always have rules, but that was the first time I had to spell out for them just what was "unnacceptable talk", b/c just putting it vaguely as in"unnacceptable" wasn't enuf. I had to spell out for them that I would tolerate no bathroom talk, sexual talk, or insults. Then of course, I had to add the word "unnneccessary" b/c they all asked if that meant they could never ask to be excused to go to the bathroom. Of course they all knew exactly what I meant, but they all seemed to get into the literal thing. Hope this isn't considered off-topic. I don't think so, b/c I have noticed that with the loosening of morals around sexuality, the bathroom talk, esp in this age group, has increased as well. Not a scientific survey, just my casual observation as a teacher of tweens for the past many yrs. BTW, the majority of my students have been going to our Christian school all of their lives. Let's see, hmmmm, I think it works out to about two-thirds of the class I have right now. so I know it's not the PS that's causing the problem. We don't have any homeschool kids in our SS, and haven't for many yrs.
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/24/2008 1:36:22 PM
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What about Dora? Any thoughts on her? Disney used to be a lot different than it is now...New CEO had a lot to do with that change I believe.
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/24/2008 2:45:49 PM
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miasma
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Argh, a bizarre blackout just deleted my reply! Which is probably a good thing, as I'm not sure how many parents truly want to engage in this culture war. One problem is, they don't want to face/admit it. Sex is not an easy thing to talk about, esp. with all the Christian stigmas attached to it.
Let me try to recap:
Funny, I was just thinking about this yesterday. I was perusing one of the most popular sites on the internet, highly influential on t/weens, and most all of the advertising was sexual.
What does a parent do, in a country where the top TV shows are full of teen sex? The top songs are viciously lewd...I could go on. Our children (in which I include teenagers) are being robbed of their right to develop naturally, as sexual beings. Strippers and porn stars are heros. Schoolgirls are a top fantasy. Their peers (18, 19 y.o.) gaze lewdly from magazine covers - OR are famous because of their porn tapes.
Even the underage aren't safe, if they're famous. Underwear/"sexy" shots are fair game, all over the internet.
What's a parent to do?
You don't like the culture of hypersexualization, keep your kids out of it.
Stop taking them to the mall, where mile-high Victoria Secret ads stare them down and malnourished mannequins strike poses in mini-skirts.
Encourage and reward them for what they DO, not how they look. Esp. young girls.
I could go on and on, but instead I'm going to link to some references I feel are invaluable (no, really. Read them.):
Kidnapped: How Irresponsible Marketers Are Stealing the Minds of Your Children
Killing Us Softly
Female Chauvinist Pigs: Women and the Rise of Raunch Culture
Bottom line, first you have to recognize the problem (everywhere), educate yourself and really work to counterbalance the influence society (kids at church, kids at school, ads on billboards, magazines, tv, radio, movies, movies and tv programs themselves...) has on your children.
Stay up on what's "cool" with the kids - even if you think your children are different, because they're homeschooled, super-involved in church, not "allowed" to read this or watch that, the odds of that bubble being impervious are slim (take it from one who grew up in it).
Their are people out there who's lives (and subsequent paychecks) are devoted to brainwashing your children, whatever it takes, to generate profit.
It's not just sex, it's the abject objectification of women, period. The problem with hypersexualization in our culture starts with the adults, who allow it to trickle down to our children.
More reading:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/miranda-devine/kids-exposed-to-sex-too-soon/2007/04/14/1175971410574.html
Prude: How the Sex-Obsessed Culture Damages Girls (and America, Too!)
The Good Girl Revolution: Young Rebels with Self-Esteem and High Standards (she got famous for writing about modesty a few years ago)
Women, for instance, are carefully trained by media to view themselves as inadequate. They are taught that other women, through the purchases of clothes, cosmetics, food, vocations, avocations, education, etc., are more desirable and feminine than themselves. Her need to constantly reverify her value when compared with this false image through the purchase of merchandise becomes an overwhelming preoccupation, profitable for the merchandisers, but potentially disastrous for the individual.
As I said in the post that I lost, this is a topic I could go on and on about...and I hope parents will too.
Also,
TURN OFF THE TV!
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/24/2008 3:05:45 PM
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I concur with everything miasma just posted.
I don't know if this will matter to anyone in this conversation, but just this week I polled a dozen kids in different areas of the country, ranging in age from 10-17. While there was a slight variation when it came to musical tastes, the rest of their answers were nearly identical. IOW, maybe don't think your kids are "too young" to worry about some things?
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/24/2008 3:21:15 PM
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miasma
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IOW, maybe don't think your kids are "too young" to worry about some things?
Exactly (sadly). I think part of the problem is parents think their kids are too young, or aren't exposed to the stuff they read about in articles like the one in the OP, but that simply isn't true. And the lack of vigilance contributes to the trickle down - Seventeen magazine, for one easy example, isn't actually aimed at 17 y.o. It's published for tweens.
And if your younger kids ride a bus with older kids...
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RE: The Pornification of a Generation - 10/24/2008 3:41:53 PM
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Excellent post, Miasma.
I agree we need to be radical in our approach. We truly do live in a perverse generation. In order to counter that, we have to be deliberate in our approach. Each parent needs a plan. We have to know our children well and develop a deep, loving and respectful relationship with them with firm boundaries and standards.
If parents are not talking to their children about these things, the children are going to get their information somewhere else, unless they never leave the house, don’t have any media, etc. Children are going to hear all sorts of things from other children, as well as from just walking through the grocery store. Thankfully, my children come to me when they get a conflicting message and we talk it out.
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All I caught was the beginning of what appeared to be two girls who were getting to make out heavily.... 
I take them to church and back, and I'm constantly having to tell them that we don't talk like that, that's not funny, etc. 
