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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 2:41:28 PM
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solo_soprano22
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The commericals bug me because they don't specify that the immunization only protects against certain viruses and that you can still develop cancer from other causes.
I have yet to see a commercial that didn't lay out very clearly what the vaccine can do and what it cannot do.
Are we seeing the same commercial? I see the one Stella sees. :)
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 2:54:11 PM
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The commericals bug me because they don't specify that the immunization only protects against certain viruses and that you can still develop cancer from other causes.
I have yet to see a commercial that didn't lay out very clearly what the vaccine can do and what it cannot do.
Are we seeing the same commercial? I see the one Stella sees. :)
Same here.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 3:21:01 PM
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pumpkin
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the one playing here even says which of the strains it protects against... by number. They have a long thing that they say about the side effects, and how it is important for women to continue getting their check up's (pap smears/exams).
They may well play different varieties of the commercial depending on what region you are in. Plus, after a commercial has been out for a time, they tend to shorten it.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 3:39:52 PM
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I get to see the one with the women singing/chanting "I wanna be oneless" with the jump ropes and such.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 5:33:48 PM
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stellaluna
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I get to see the one with the women singing/chanting "I wanna be oneless" with the jump ropes and such.
Same same. That's the one I see.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 5:49:45 PM
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Memaw.
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"Could be"
"May protect"
"May help"
"May cause"
"May not fully protect everyone"
"Does not protect everybody"
Too many "could be's and "maybes" for me.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 5:52:17 PM
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solo_soprano22
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But think about how many medicinal things we can apply those phrases to.
Think about all the things purposefully kept from us... "missing" data from drug trials for some pretty "big" medicines (purposefully missing, and not able to be found by even doctors and pharmacists). We can't find them if we are trying to be good patients and research our medications... many negative trials are done away with permanently. Think about how many medical devices get approved because committee members get some money out of it... and once they are approved, you can't sue the manufacturer if something happens with one.... I appreciate being told the if's or maybe's, and the people who aren't after money... too many times all those things are done away with for drugs. (Yeah, only one sentence of that has to do with this thread.) I guess it's just important to know that no matter how much we research, it's highly likely there are numerous things we're not able to see or ever know.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 6:41:40 PM
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But think about how many medicinal things we can apply those phrases to.
Yup, I can't think of a single medication that fully cures or prevents the condition it is intended to treat 100% of the time. I find it amusing how at one point in this thread the producers of the vaccine were awful for producing ads giving people "false confidence". Now they're suspect because they admit their product can't prevent every case of cervical cancer. 
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 8:22:12 PM
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I feel manipulated.
I know it says it doesn't protect everyone from everything. But the notion that my daughter will be 'one less' if she gets the shot implies she will be one more if she does not.
News stories that headline that girls are 'vaccinated against cancer' are misleading.
Dr's who assume that you will just get it and expect that you will fall in line if you are a good parent rather than make an informed decision make me feel like a bad parent for asking questions.
And my question becomes why am I being lead to make an uninformed decision rather than what is the best choice for my daughter.
The why interests me more than the if and the when because DeeDee is still 11.
Off topic: Moon Mouse - thank you so much for allowing me to see that you posted a you tube link. It drives me nuts when folks post links and I click at work and end up where I ought not to be...
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 8:45:09 PM
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But the notion that my daughter will be 'one less' if she gets the shot implies she will be one more if she does not.
I agree.
They also fail to mention that the vaccine has really not been studied enough OR that some people have died or had major complications from it. Those things are big deals and should not be brushed off. If they're going to advertise the pros to the vaccine, they should have to mention those things.
My daughters will not be getting it at this point. They are only 3 and newborn, but if they were the age to have it now, we would not do it. That may change in 10-15 years, if we determine it is safe and something we see benefit to them having. But right now, no, I would not do it.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 10:05:35 PM
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They also fail to mention that the vaccine has really not been studied enough OR that some people have died or had major complications from it. Those things are big deals and should not be brushed off. If they're going to advertise the pros to the vaccine, they should have to mention those things.
I totally agree. All drug commercials tell you about that stuff. Granted they say it really quickly in a boring voice, they should do it for the vaccine commercial too.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/11/2008 10:49:22 AM
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No, my daughter will not be getting this shot. She is 15. I've talked to her about it, told her what it was for, how it is still too new for me to allow her to get it. The side effects are still unknown. I did not know that the trials are still ongoing though, that disturbs me greatly. We've discussed misleading advertising and articles, like the one linked to in this thread, with a headline that said 1 in 4 US teen girls got cervical cancer shot.
We talked about how even if she remains pure, which is her intention, her husband may not have been.
I even told her about DES daughters. One of my neighbors growing up is a DES daughter.
There is no way I will have her get this shot as long as the long term ramifications are unknown.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/11/2008 12:01:57 PM
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uponeagleswings
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Ok, what does DES daughter mean/stand for? I have a few options in my head, but none of them fit.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/11/2008 12:10:24 PM
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Kath
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Info on DES daughters
I know it's not quite the same thing as DES is a hormone but the idea is the same, they had no idea of potential side effects.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/11/2008 12:30:07 PM
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uponeagleswings
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That is scary. Thanks for the link.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/13/2008 9:43:30 AM
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I think the manipulation in my community is the pediatric doctor encouraging it has daughters & they are getting it too. He's a Christian. That seems to be enough to convince the moms. kd
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RE: HPV shot - 10/13/2008 11:03:47 AM
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solo_soprano22
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They also fail to mention that the vaccine has really not been studied enough OR that some people have died or had major complications from it. Those things are big deals and should not be brushed off. If they're going to advertise the pros to the vaccine, they should have to mention those things.
I totally agree. All drug commercials tell you about that stuff. Granted they say it really quickly in a boring voice, they should do it for the vaccine commercial too.
To be fair, I don't see any commercials for meds who tell stats like that. I don't typically hear anyone tell how many deaths have been associated with their medication or how long they were in a study period. Compared to what other manufacturers do, I think the HPV commercials are far more honest than many other med ads/commercials...and this is just knowing a little data behind some of these common meds that aren't really questioned (for whatever reason).
There are common medications advertised that have deaths associated and side effects not told... but apparently people aren't realizing this as well. I know many times the bad studies are done away with, but that's still part of the story... Sometimes they aren't done away with, but they still aren't told.
I think it's good, considering the situation, that the commericals and ads are telling as much as they are. That's more than I can see from other ads that should be doing the same (and more).
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RE: HPV shot - 10/13/2008 5:11:47 PM
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No, my daughter will not be getting this shot. She is 15. I've talked to her about it, told her what it was for, how it is still too new for me to allow her to get it. The side effects are still unknown. I did not know that the trials are still ongoing though, that disturbs me greatly. We've discussed misleading advertising and articles, like the one linked to in this thread, with a headline that said 1 in 4 US teen girls got cervical cancer shot.
We talked about how even if she remains pure, which is her intention, her husband may not have been.
I even told her about DES daughters. One of my neighbors growing up is a DES daughter.
There is no way I will have her get this shot as long as the long term ramifications are unknown.
I want to know long term effects too.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/14/2008 9:01:35 AM
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wareaglekd
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I guess we won't know for at least 20 years. kd
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RE: HPV shot - 10/17/2008 7:18:21 PM
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I'm glad to see this topic and read the responses, as it's something DH and I have been talking about.
I voted no for myself. I'm out of the age range, and DH and I saved sex for marriage. My likelihood of catching HPV isn't high enough to warrant paying the copay for the shot, honestly. I voted that I was unsure for my daughters. They're very young right now, so I'm sure there will be major changes to the shot between now and the time that they're twelve. I once thought the ads were misleading and that they were promising young girls that the shot would protect them from cancer, but they're pretty clear that it's a shot for HPV. I will make sure and educate my daughters about purity, letting them know that HPV won't be an issue for them if they abstain until marriage, as do their future husbands. (I'll also let them know that HPV isn't the only way to get cervical cancer and that no shot in the world should excuse them from annual pap smears.) And, yes, I know there are no guarantees either way because even children who we lead and love with godly counsel will make their own decisions. I guess my struggle with this is in wondering if my actions -- having the shot administered to them -- would contradict my expectation that they wait for marriage. I know, it's just a shot that doesn't mean that they HAVE to go out and have sex. But am I showing that I don't expect more from them when I have it done, even just as a precaution? Would it be like giving them birth control pills when they start dating -- you know, just in case?
It reminds me of my first visit to the OB/GYN. I was nineteen, had never been sexually active, and was waiting for marriage. My doctor told me that it was rare for a young woman my age to be a virgin and encouraged me to get on birth control, just in case I met someone in the next few years and changed my mind. Were the pills going to hurt me? Did I mean that I had to start having sex? Was it really a big deal at all? No, not really. But I certainly didn't appreciate the veiled assumption and the blow to my confidence in my own resolve to remain pure. I left feeling as though the doctor just might just be right and that I might not be able to stay true to my committment to the Lord. Praise God that she was wrong!
I was nineteen, had been able to remain pure in my relationships with the opposite sex, and was committed to Christ. And yet it still caused a ripple of doubt in my mind. My daughters will be twelve, will likely have never even had a boyfriend, and will likely only be young in their faith. Why in the world would I, as their mother, be the first to consent to having something given to them that causes them to think that I doubt their ability to save sex for marriage?
Okay, well maybe I'm more decided than I thought I was.  Did I miss the point of this thread? I'm totally uneducated about the vaccine, so reading the potential effects of the shot has been helpful. I think the bigger issue, though, is what message we might be sending our daughters with this.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/17/2008 8:22:49 PM
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Kath
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I guess my struggle with this is in wondering if my actions -- having the shot administered to them -- would contradict my expectation that they wait for marriage. I know, it's just a shot that doesn't mean that they HAVE to go out and have sex. But am I showing that I don't expect more from them when I have it done, even just as a precaution? Would it be like giving them birth control pills when they start dating -- you know, just in case?
You know, I have read this thought a time or two in this thread, and although I do respect your opinion, I guess I don't think getting the shot means one is silently saying they don't expect their daughters to remain pure. The problem isn't my daughter, but the boy she might marry. I hope my daughter marries someone who also remained pure, but that isn't guaranteed.
I am against her getting this shot but it isn't because I think if she does it's telling her I think she will sleep around.
She also knows my thoughts on the bc pill though too. (I'm totally against taking artificial hormones)
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RE: HPV shot - 10/17/2008 8:40:40 PM
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You know, I have read this thought a time or two in this thread, and although I do respect your opinion, I guess I don't think getting the shot means one is silently saying they don't expect their daughters to remain pure. The problem isn't my daughter, but the boy she might marry. I hope my daughter marries someone who also remained pure, but that isn't guaranteed.
And I can understand this argument FOR the shot. I don't know enough about HPV or the shot to make a call on it either way at this point, but that's fine, since my girls are just tots. It's encouraging and challenging to hear what other Christian moms are saying and are doing in regards to their own daughters, though.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/17/2008 8:44:39 PM
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Kath
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It's encouraging and challenging to hear what other Christian moms are saying and are doing in regards to their own daughters, though.
Yes it is :)
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