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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 3:25:13 PM
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TwinCityGirl
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Absolutely not. No way, not in me or my daughter. There are some very, very concerning things including the possible nurological side effects and even death that have been reported in women shortly after they receive the vaccine.
The key to surviving cervical cancer is early detection, we won't be vaccinating any children against HPV in the future but we will teach them about proper care of their bodies which includes regular female exams.
 to Ryanne!
No, if I had a daughter or had custody of one of my nieces, NO, she would not get the shot nor would I (though I am past the age).
HPV has something like 18 strains and only FOUR of those strains are in the shot. There are still over TEN STRAINS of HPV that a woman or girl can get and SOME of those strains are ones that cause cervical cancer.
Look at the fine print at the bottom of those Gardisil commercials -- it does not protect against ALL TYPES of HPV, and it does not protect against ALL TYPES OF HPV THAT CAUSE CERVICAL CANCER.
To me that is providing really false hope. Plus, somebody is getting big-time rich off these vaccines (that don't protect you from cervical cancer 100% anyway).
And, it should be noted, if you had the shot and let's say the shot vaccinates against HPV strains 1, 2, 3 and 4. But you marry someone who has HPV and his strain is #5 -- um, you are NOT protected from that. And if #5 is one of the strains that causes cervical cancer....well, there you go. A lot of money (hundreds and hundreds for those shots -- a series of three shots) for....um....ultimately no protection from all HPV strains OR from all HPV strains that cause cervical cancer.
NO.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 3:58:23 PM
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moon_mouse- if the woman is not sexually active, would you still think that she should consider the vaccine?
Yes. Let's say a woman is 24, not sexually active, and not in a relationship. In three years, when she is too old for the vaccine as it is approved now, she may meet a wonderful man she wants to marry. Let's say he was saved at 20, but had sex once when he was 17. He has the potential to have one of the strains of HPV that causes cervical cancer and is included in this vaccine, and there is currently no test to rule that possibility out. If she waited until she was engaged, the opportunity to protect herself in that future Godly relationship would be gone.
Certainly there are reasons to consider not having the vaccine, but IMO "I'm not sexually active so I don't need to think about that" isn't one of them.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 4:01:39 PM
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I voted no for my dd. I wouldn't be eligible right now. I don't think the vaccine has enough safety testing for me to feel comfortable with it right now. Also, it is a painful vaccine. I'm not so keen on the newly available vaccines -- sometimes there isn't good information available on them. (We discovered that with the shingles vaccine)
I was asked about it when dd had her last vaccines, a few months ago, and declined it then.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 4:26:58 PM
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I'm too old for it, but I would get it for my daughter (if I had one). If the age range changes, I will get it myself and I am a 33 year old virgin. Why? Why not. It isn't going to make me change my views of purity or make me do something I regret. If I never have a need for it, awesome! But if I ever did for whatever reason, it's just one less thing to have to deal with.
And there are no guarantees in life. Rape, incest, etc are sadly very common in our world. And yes, I know people who have gotten STD's from such. This won't protect them from everything, but it can protect them from some. I see that as a good thing. I'm not one to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Also, I have enough women friends who were married to "godly" men who messed up (before or even after marriage) and yes, some of them "got" stuff as a result. One will even die as a result. Her husband repented and they have made amends, but the consequences are said and done.
The fact is, the consequences of sin don't just affect the person who commits the sin. Have you ever had to look someone in the eyes who did nothing wrong and was living for God who now faces a horrid physical disease because someone else made a bad decision? I have. It gave me an entirely different perspective on stuff like this.
By the way: I received vaccinations against Hep B when I worked in healthcare (putting me at risk for contracting it). At the time, many in Christian circles and organizations were saying EXACTLY what is being said here about Hep B because the most common way to contract it was through sexual contact or IV drug abuse. I remember even reading articles in major Christian publications that made it almost shameful for a Christian to get it. It bugged me then, and this bugs me now. Sadly, just because there are behaviors that can reduce your risk, does not mean, you can eliminate your risk. I would do anything I can as a mother to protect my child and that includes vaccines that can protect her from a horrible cancer like cervical cancer. Will this eliminate her risk? Nope, but I'll be happy if it reduces the risk.
BTW - I do understand wanting to wait and see regarding the safety of a vaccine.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 4:55:10 PM
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HPV has something like 18 strains and only FOUR of those strains are in the shot. There are still over TEN STRAINS of HPV that a woman or girl can get and SOME of those strains are ones that cause cervical cancer.
Look at the fine print at the bottom of those Gardisil commercials -- it does not protect against ALL TYPES of HPV, and it does not protect against ALL TYPES OF HPV THAT CAUSE CERVICAL CANCER.
To me that is providing really false hope.
I don't get it. How is it "false" to say openly that it only protects against four types of strains. Even the commercials openly say that it does not protect against all strains.
No one is saying it gives total protection, so how is it false to say that this vaccine protects against four strains of HPV, but not all of them. Seems completely upfront and honest to me.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 5:04:22 PM
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HPV has something like 18 strains and only FOUR of those strains are in the shot. There are still over TEN STRAINS of HPV that a woman or girl can get and SOME of those strains are ones that cause cervical cancer.
Look at the fine print at the bottom of those Gardisil commercials -- it does not protect against ALL TYPES of HPV, and it does not protect against ALL TYPES OF HPV THAT CAUSE CERVICAL CANCER.
To me that is providing really false hope.
I don't get it. How is it "false" to say openly that it only protects against four types of strains. Even the commercials openly say that it does not protect against all strains.
No one is saying it gives total protection, so how is it false to say that this vaccine protects against four strains of HPV, but not all of them. Seems completely upfront and honest to me.
I just got a flu shot. It won't protect me from every strain of flu virus. But it reduces the chances of me getting the flu.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 5:12:49 PM
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Well, 21 possibly related deaths since December of 2007 is an awful lot, not to mention those who may be suffering other side effects. That is exponentially higher then the death rate for any other vaccine.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 5:14:51 PM
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Weren't some of those deaths related to "how" the girls were given the shots? And not what was "in" the shot?
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 5:15:35 PM
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TwinCityGirl
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HPV has something like 18 strains and only FOUR of those strains are in the shot. There are still over TEN STRAINS of HPV that a woman or girl can get and SOME of those strains are ones that cause cervical cancer.
Look at the fine print at the bottom of those Gardisil commercials -- it does not protect against ALL TYPES of HPV, and it does not protect against ALL TYPES OF HPV THAT CAUSE CERVICAL CANCER.
To me that is providing really false hope.
I don't get it. How is it "false" to say openly that it only protects against four types of strains. Even the commercials openly say that it does not protect against all strains.
No one is saying it gives total protection, so how is it false to say that this vaccine protects against four strains of HPV, but not all of them. Seems completely upfront and honest to me.
I'm basically staying out of this from here on out. That is my opinion, and what I would do for a daughter or a girl in my care.
Where I think it provides false hope:
I think there are PLENTY of "Jane Six-packs" out there who would get the shot (as a woman or as a girl) and that would be the end of them thinking about HPV and their ongoing risks to other strains.
I haven't seen the Gardisil commercials in a long time because we don't have a TV but I remember the print being VERY SMALL in the disclaimers and it wasn't touted as "Hey, this vaccine protects you against x-percentage of cervical cancer-causing strains of HPV." I remember it being very much about "I want to be one less" as in "one less woman who gets HPV or cervical cancer".
Which could be true, except if you get one of the strains that doesn't get covered in the vaccine.
I just really think the AVERAGE woman, or better yet, the AVERAGE 16-year-old girl who got the shot at 12 thinks she's under the umbrella of being covered for HPV. I could be very wrong on that, but I would guess many (but not all, just many) people who get the flu shot think they won't get the flu either. I just think a lot of people probably kick back after a vaccine and think "Okay, that's one problem I can cross off my list now." And with this particular vaccine, you can only cross off the strains in the vaccine.
Also, I do believe HPV can be passed to a baby during a vaginal birth if the mother has a problem with them at that point (during that time), but I'm not going to bother to look that up. That was a few years ago I read that and I'm just not going to do all the research now, and I'm bowing out of the discussion.
It is a very individual choice and I get that. I'm just saying what *I* would do and why.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 5:16:39 PM
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Weren't some of those deaths related to "how" the girls were given the shots? And not what was "in" the shot?
Hence the problem...
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 5:19:02 PM
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phosadaud
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I would guess many (but not all, just many) people who get the flu shot think they won't get the flu either.
But is that a reason not to get the flu shot?
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 5:20:09 PM
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Weren't some of those deaths related to "how" the girls were given the shots? And not what was "in" the shot?
Hence the problem...
I'm saying the vaccine itself was not the problem, rather, it was how it was administered.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 5:23:00 PM
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Weren't some of those deaths related to "how" the girls were given the shots? And not what was "in" the shot?
Hence the problem...
I'm saying the vaccine itself was not the problem, rather, it was how it was administered.
Oh! I was actually agreeing with you. Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant that because of what you said, that is why there is a problem with saying the vaccine is inherently unsafe.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 5:24:44 PM
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Weren't some of those deaths related to "how" the girls were given the shots? And not what was "in" the shot?
There is some thought/testing that says it may be worse when given with Menactra. Those included miscarriage, convulsions, seizures, fainting, and even Guilllain Barre Syndrome.
The vaccine isn't even fully tested, and won't be until June of next year.
My other concern is that they don't know how long the efficacy of the vaccination is... are these girls we are vaccinating at 11 or 12 still going to be "immune" at 17 or 18? 28? 30?
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 5:25:44 PM
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I have learned recently that it is important to have your daughters vaccinated because men are carriers. It is very possible they could marry someone who is a carrier even after the girls have lived a pure life. That is certainly something to consider. kd
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 5:27:34 PM
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I would guess many (but not all, just many) people who get the flu shot think they won't get the flu either.
But is that a reason not to get the flu shot?
Hi, Phosy,
Since you addressed ME...
Yes, that is a perfectly valid reason not to get a flu shot for some people.
I'm not making judgments on others who get the vaccine. I wouldn't, and if we were sitting in my living room over a cup of hot chocolate I would tell you why, but we're not. I just wouldn't get it nor let my daughter get it.
If my next-door neighbor (who has 3 daughters, and I have known that family for almost 25 years) had her girls get it, well, those are HER girls/HER decision. I'm not out here saying it's anti-Christian to get the shot, but I will say I personally am following the money, seeing the shot isn't really all it's cracked up to be in terms of strain coverage/full protection over getting cervical cancer and I'm just not much of a vaccine person. So NO THANKS in our household, but I will not judge what someone chooses with regard to this vaccine in THEIRS.
And I never get a flu shot. And I refused it MULTIPLE times during my pregnancy. And I did not get the flu.
Jeanie
Edited to add this from the CDC website:
"Very rarely, a pregnant woman with genital HPV can pass HPV to her baby during vaginal delivery. In these cases, the child may develop warts in the throat or voice box – a condition called recurrent respiratory papillomatosis (RRP)."
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 5:35:33 PM
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I would guess many (but not all, just many) people who get the flu shot think they won't get the flu either.
But is that a reason not to get the flu shot?
Hi, Phosy,
Since you addressed ME...
Yes, that is a perfectly valid reason not to get a flu shot for some people.
FWIW - I'm not arguing everyone SHOULD get this vaccine. I don't really follow the logic above but we're all different so as long as you know the facts, it's your choice to make.
I guess, I haven't heard the shot be hyped up with false info given out regarding what it can and cannot do so maybe that's where I'm coming from. Everything I have heard on it, they are very upfront about what it can do and can't do.
To me, it's like wearing a seatbelt. It won't save your life from ALL accidents, but it will from some so I wear it.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 8:03:52 PM
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I went in for my girly visit and asked when DeeDee should come in (because she is developing) and he said 16, sooner if active (made my skin crawl to hear that) but that I should take her to the ped for the shot.
He wasn't seeing her so it was a stock answer, but there was no 'if she wants' it was just, take her in for that.
She has classmates that have had it done at 9yo and DeeDee said it is to prevent cancer so that is what they telling her.
I would rather it be her choice than my decision if it is optional.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 8:14:22 PM
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Well, assuming we're 12 years into the future, and I am content with the track record the vaccine has, I would be certain to talk to my daughter about the reality of the shot, as in it doesn't protect against all strains, and there's still a whole lot more damage that can be done to her body and spirit if she should have premarital sex.
I certainly wouldn't leave her with the impression that she was totally protected, and every commercial advertisement I've seen states verbally that the shot is not all-encompassing. It is what it is, much like a condom, actually - not useless, but not 100% effective.
I am taking the flu shot while pregnant, because I saw my sister in law get the flu while pregnant and it was really, really awful for her. Her husband was so mad at her for refusing the shot. But I have also researched the specific flu vaccine that Kaiser gives out, so I am satisfied with it, safety wise. But that doesn't mean I don't wash my hands frequently and avoid people or places where I would be at high risk for contracting flu. I don't consider myself armor plated or anything.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 8:19:33 PM
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Absolutely not. No way, not in me or my daughter. There are some very, very concerning things including the possible neurological side effects and even death that have been reported in women shortly after they receive the vaccine. HERE is a bit about it, and the Judicial Watch research is also in there.
I have HPV, I have had pre-cancerous cells along with several biopsies and a colposcopy. The key to surviving cervical cancer is early detection, we won't be vaccinating any children against HPV in the future but we will teach them about proper care of their bodies which includes regular female exams.
Thanks for the article.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 10:46:00 PM
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I haven't seen the Gardisil commercials in a long time because we don't have a TV but I remember the print being VERY SMALL in the disclaimers and it wasn't touted as "Hey, this vaccine protects you against x-percentage of cervical cancer-causing strains of HPV." I remember it being very much about "I want to be one less" as in "one less woman who gets HPV or cervical cancer".
I've seen the magazine ads, and the print is really small for that. On the TV ads, they have someone say outloud that it doesn't protect against all strains, like when a voice would say on other commercials "This medication can cause vomiting, dry mouth, constipation, cramping,.....blah blah."
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 10:56:28 PM
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I voted "no" for myself or any future dd that I may have.
I'm not into taking meds that aren't necessary nor am I into trusting the FDA with new meds. They are more into politics than health, and some Foods & Drugs they approve are not healthy.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 11:11:04 PM
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I'm not in the age range and I won't be getting it. Neither my husband or I have had other partners than each other, so I'm not worried about it for myself. I have regular exams from my OB/GYN.
Ditto for me on this:
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I'm not into taking meds that aren't necessary nor am I into trusting the FDA with new meds. They are more into politics than health, and some Foods & Drugs they approve are not healthy.
As of right now, I've decided my daughter will not have it. It is not fully tested and is too new to see the full effects and to gauge the length of immunity (like the chicken pox vaccine, kids are now having to get boosters because it doesn't always give a lifelong immunity).
And I think the ads are very misleading.
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