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ORIGINAL: TMeeks

The shallowness of Obama supporters in their defense of evidence that should be alarming, would be laughable if the stakes weren't so high.

I sit here and can esily imagine, had there been an internet in 1932, that some of the socialist Lutherans would be defending the laeders of the Hitler Youth in exactly the same way that socialist Chistians are defending the adults in these latest videos. The children were ALWAYS the pawns. There were in 1932 and they are NOW.

The tragedy is that the socialist Obama Fan-Boys that taught these children to strut in praise of Alpha & Omega Obama (And, do you NOT agree that the adults knew EXACTLY what they were doing here?) are failing these children in their education. Here is the abysmal record of the Urban Community Leadership Academy (UCLA) of Kansas City. MO.

I have a feeling that when these young men CANNOT achieve the goals inspired by Obama, that they will feel it is "the System's fault" rather than the fault of their incompetent socialist teachers.

Grade 7 Communication Arts - Advanced or Proficient: UCLA = 2% , District Middle Schools = 12%, State Middle Schools 32%. UCLA is a Charter School that one would expect to be achieving at a HIGHER rate; but, that not only achieves at a LOWER rate; but, at a SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER rate. Perhaps they should do less 'stepping' and more teaching at UCLA.

I will wait on an independent translation on the Kenyan video. But, if the translation is accurate, and you continue to fail to see the significance of it, I am going to definitely question your motives and, perhaps, your understanding of the significance of the Muslim Messianic vision and its impact on the World's Christians.

I always come back to one criteria for assessing a person's true relationship to Jesus Christ. And, that is that Jesus says He is THE TRUTH. And, He also says that His Children are indwelt with His Spirit. The more that is revealed about Obama that is defended by claimed Christians, the less I am inclined to rely on mere self descriptions about one's Christian Faith. After all, "By their WORKS Ye Shall know them." Defense of evil is one such work. If the video of the Kenyan children children turns out to be a ccorect translation then it is evil. Moreover, it may enlighten us as to why the Islamists have NOT reacted negatively to his 'conversion' to Christianity.

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First off, I have to say I find it odd that in response to this thread and the Obama Children’s Choir thread the response from the left has been oddly scripted:

Actually I find it much less frightening then those nutters brainwashing their children in that film "Jesus Camp" to pray to Bush –J-

Kinda reminds me of that scene is "Jesus Camp" with the little campers praying to a life-sized cardboard image of Bush. todd_t

Jesus Camp!!!!! lol Kids praying in front of a life size cutout of George Bush. Nuff said! Next! adelphi_sky

Did you have those same thoughts on the Jesus Camp movie with kids "praising" a cutout of Bush? tracydolls

I don’t know if they are all reading from the same script, or simply copying off each other, but it pretty much displays how little thought goes into left-wing responses.

Also, the typical left-wing response amounts to a tu quoque response; that is, rather than say why these mindless songs and chants in praise of Obama are good, they are saying well it’s ‘no worse than what happens on the right’ – which given their opinion of what happens on the right, means that these activities in praise of Obama are very, very wrong. It would appear they simply don’t care that they are wrong. In short, the left is being hypocritical here.

And while most Christian would consider the behavior displayed in Jesus Camp to be fringy and rare, it would appear the mainstream left is more than willing to embrace rote praising of a leader by our youth, provided said leader is a left-wing leader, and instructing children to do so is a worthwhile endeavor as long as it moves a particular agenda forward.

Excuse me. But I did offer the good in what these children are doing. AS I said before, would we rather them sing about sex and violence? It's a positive message. Just because you don't agree with who the kids are singing about doesn't make it scary, sad, or distasteful. Children can sing about SanataClause, a fictional character and that's okay. It's a choir of children singing about a role model. You may want to the label idol and that's fine. We just have a difference of opinion. As far as the children in the step club, that's a normal thing in cultures other than your own. Political organizations and even political debates are not off limits in high school. We even had greek organizations in our high school. For goodness sakes, would we rather have gangs? From what I saw, these kids were inspired if only for the fact that they have a role model to look up to. Whether you feel that role model is fit to hold office or not. Obama has reached farther than any African American has reached so far as holding the highest office. That inspires people whether he wins or not. And for people to view these activities as scary and unreal is a sad sign of the prejudice and continued refusal to try to understand a culture that is different than yours. It is NOT always what you see on TV.

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So no problem with fourth graders being taught to sing a 'Praise Obama!' song.. with a backdrop of the Obama emblem and wearing Obama t-shirts?

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So no problem with fourth graders being taught to sing a 'Praise Obama!' song.. with a backdrop of the Obama emblem and wearing Obama t-shirts?

I can quickly respond to this comment...

THose kids in the video appeared to be much older then 4th graders. I was under the impression that they were in 8th - 12th grade, and formed the club themselves, in which case I have no problem how they choose to decorate or praise.

I DO have a problem with 4th graders participating in such a thing, 4th grade to me is too young to be able to form ones own opinion on political issues (which is why they don't vote), and would obviously have to be influenced by others.

So basically, I have no problem with it if it were a club set up by the children. I DO have a problem with it if they are 4th graders following someones personal political agenda.

I'm apologise that I had to keep this quick, and hope I answered your question.

Take care,

-J-

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But as Christians, we are not supposed to have a spirit of fear, but a spirit of understanding and compassion. I feel more sorry for those children than I do fear of them. IF the translation is correct, they have been lied to and are being indoctrinated into hate. This robs them of their freedom to choose. That should invoke pity, not fear.

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ORIGINAL: earthless

adelphi,

So even if his policies are socialist and many anti-biblical - just because he is black (half, not even full) he is to be supported by minorities?

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adelphi_sky, I am still waiting for you to tell us if you think what you say was depicted in Jesus Camp was good or bad?

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Well Okay. I didn't know I was supposed to respond immediately to your request. :-) I think what was depicted in Jesus Camp was bad for reasons other than political. Since this is a political forum, there is no point in discussing it here. What I will say is that there can be a distinction between the two. On the one hand, doctrine (which I have a few disagreements about) was being taught in Jesus Camp. These videos here displayed song and dance about a candidate and his campaign of change. These kids aren't being taught about spiritual warfare against conservative thinking.