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:: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 8:15:22 AM
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Unreal.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 8:20:07 AM
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I just saw that before you posted it here - but check out this one - it is really SCAREY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08iomNFrzU4&feature=related
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 8:44:06 AM
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I just saw that before you posted it hiere - but check out this one - it is really SCAREY
What did you find scary about it? I saw it as a group of kids who are thanking a source of inspiration to them.
Maybe is was the military style to their tribute that scared you? If that's the case I can somewhat agree with you, I'm always a little skeptical of that sort of behavior — from either the Left or Right as it usually suggests a brainwashing type methodology.
I'll look into their organization a bit more, who knows there could be some stuff in there that scares me as well. But from what I've seen from the video, I see nothing wrong with those kids thanking Mr. Obama for inspiring them, it's actually quite uplifting to see kids being inspired.
Actually I find it much less frightening then those nutters brainwashing their children in that film "Jesus Camp" to pray to Bush.
Meh, just my 2¢ before I start my day.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 9:07:33 AM
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I apologize for responding to the wrong link. Ok... then yes, that is indeed scary, and sad.
Though, I am skeptical by nature, and since linguistic skills are limited to the Germanic and Romantic languages, I have no idea if that is indeed what that kid is saying. After all everything we find on the internet needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
If it is true ...then again YES it's scary, not just the bomb and kill part, but also that they adopted the "Secret Muslim" fallacy.
Thanks for correcting me!
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 9:12:46 AM
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I'm going to have my niece who is fluent in Arabic look and see if it is truewhat they are saying.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 9:21:34 AM
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I just saw that before you posted it hiere - but check out this one - it is really SCAREY
What did you find scary about it? I saw it as a group of kids who are thanking a source of inspiration to them.
Maybe is was the military style to their tribute that scared you? If that's the case I can somewhat agree with you, I'm always a little skeptical of that sort of behavior — from either the Left or Right as it usually suggests a brainwashing type methodology.
I'll look into their organization a bit more, who knows there could be some stuff in there that scares me as well. But from what I've seen from the video, I see nothing wrong with those kids thanking Mr. Obama for inspiring them, it's actually quite uplifting to see kids being inspired.
Actually I find it much less frightening then those nutters brainwashing their children in that film "Jesus Camp" to pray to Bush.
Meh, just my 2¢ before I start my day.
Take care,
-J-
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I disagree with the Jesus Camp doctrines and tactics.. but none of that was done in a public school.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 9:23:44 AM
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I'm going to have my niece who is fluent in Arabic look and see if it is truewhat they are saying.
That would be Great, I just sent the link the the Arab American League for translation.
Let's pray it's NOT true.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 9:28:52 AM
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I just saw that before you posted it hiere - but check out this one - it is really SCAREY
What did you find scary about it? I saw it as a group of kids who are thanking a source of inspiration to them.
Maybe is was the military style to their tribute that scared you? If that's the case I can somewhat agree with you, I'm always a little skeptical of that sort of behavior — from either the Left or Right as it usually suggests a brainwashing type methodology.
I'll look into their organization a bit more, who knows there could be some stuff in there that scares me as well. But from what I've seen from the video, I see nothing wrong with those kids thanking Mr. Obama for inspiring them, it's actually quite uplifting to see kids being inspired.
Actually I find it much less frightening then those nutters brainwashing their children in that film "Jesus Camp" to pray to Bush.
Meh, just my 2¢ before I start my day.
Take care,
-J-
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I disagree with the Jesus Camp doctrines and tactics.. but none of that was done in a public school.
True, but it is quite common for public schools to create political clubs. So I have no problem of an "Obama Club" in a school, just as I have no problem with a "McCain Club" or the "Young Republicans" as clubs in which one has a choice to join..... Now if joining was mandatory, then I would certainly have a problem with it.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 9:57:08 AM
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Unreal.
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What is unreal is that you fail to realize there are few role models to choose from in the African American community. If Obama's nomination inspires a few children, then that can only be a good thing. Would you rather the kids continue to drop out of high school and have lowered expectations in life? What is unreal is that it took America this long to be open to even nominating an African American to run for office. Don't hate what you can't possibly understand. And no, it's not some secret Obama army. lol There were groups who steeped in my high school in D.C. Don't trust everything you see on the news. I know some people haven't had the opportunity to experience all cultures.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 9:57:17 AM
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True, but it is quite common for public schools to create political clubs. So I have no problem of an "Obama Club" in a school, just as I have no problem with a "McCain Club" or the "Young Republicans" as clubs in which one has a choice to join..... Now if joining was mandatory, then I would certainly have a problem with it.
Peace,
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So no problem with fourth graders being taught to sing a 'Praise Obama!' song.. with a backdrop of the Obama emblem and wearing Obama t-shirts?
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 10:00:17 AM
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I just saw that before you posted it here - but check out this one - it is really SCAREY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08iomNFrzU4&feature=related
Please enlighten me. What do you feel is so scary about that video?
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 10:04:25 AM
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What is unreal is that you fail to realize there are few role models to choose from in the African American community.
Not my fault. I am responsible for my family and I handle what I need to. Personal responsibility and rugged individualism, all taught and instilled in me by my parents.
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If Obama's nomination inspires a few children, then that can only be a good thing.
That's not the issue - the problem is that it is being done in a public school and funded by our tax dollars.
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Would you rather the kids continue to drop out of high school and have lowered expectations in life?
The cause of that is not due to a lack of an Obama.
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What is unreal is that it took America this long to be open to even nominating an African American to run for office. Don't hate what you can't possibly understand.
And exactly how and or why would I not possibly be able to understand?
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And no, it's not some secret Obama army. lol There were groups who steeped in my high school in D.C.
What do stepping clubs have to do with political indoctrination of kids under public tax paying venues?
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Don't trust everything you see on the news.
This was not on the news and would never be shown by the mainstream media. Believe me, I would have the same issue with McCain being pushed on public school kids.
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I know some people haven't had the opportunity to experience all cultures.
Believe me, I have. More than most on this board, heh.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 10:05:56 AM
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I just saw that before you posted it here - but check out this one - it is really SCAREY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08iomNFrzU4&feature=related
Please enlighten me. What do you feel is so scary about that video?
Did you watch the video? If the translation is correct, their are wishing death on America and all of its people.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 10:06:15 AM
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First off, I have to say I find it odd that in response to this thread and the Obama Children’s Choir thread the response from the left has been oddly scripted:
Actually I find it much less frightening then those nutters brainwashing their children in that film "Jesus Camp" to pray to Bush –J-
Kinda reminds me of that scene is "Jesus Camp" with the little campers praying to a life-sized cardboard image of Bush. todd_t
Jesus Camp!!!!! lol Kids praying in front of a life size cutout of George Bush. Nuff said! Next! adelphi_sky
Did you have those same thoughts on the Jesus Camp movie with kids "praising" a cutout of Bush? tracydolls
I don’t know if they are all reading from the same script, or simply copying off each other, but it pretty much displays how little thought goes into left-wing responses.
Also, the typical left-wing response amounts to a tu quoque response; that is, rather than say why these mindless songs and chants in praise of Obama are good, they are saying well it’s ‘no worse than what happens on the right’ – which given their opinion of what happens on the right, means that these activities in praise of Obama are very, very wrong. It would appear they simply don’t care that they are wrong. In short, the left is being hypocritical here.
And while most Christian would consider the behavior displayed in Jesus Camp to be fringy and rare, it would appear the mainstream left is more than willing to embrace rote praising of a leader by our youth, provided said leader is a left-wing leader, and instructing children to do so is a worthwhile endeavor as long as it moves a particular agenda forward.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 10:17:41 AM
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First off, I have to say I find it odd that in response to this thread and the Obama Children’s Choir thread the response from the left has been oddly scripted:
Actually I find it much less frightening then those nutters brainwashing their children in that film "Jesus Camp" to pray to Bush –J-
Kinda reminds me of that scene is "Jesus Camp" with the little campers praying to a life-sized cardboard image of Bush. todd_t
Jesus Camp!!!!! lol Kids praying in front of a life size cutout of George Bush. Nuff said! Next! adelphi_sky
Did you have those same thoughts on the Jesus Camp movie with kids "praising" a cutout of Bush? tracydolls
I don’t know if they are all reading from the same script, or simply copying off each other, but it pretty much displays how little thought goes into left-wing responses.
Also, the typical left-wing response amounts to a tu quoque response; that is, rather than say why these mindless songs and chants in praise of Obama are good, they are saying well it’s ‘no worse than what happens on the right’ – which given their opinion of what happens on the right, means that these activities in praise of Obama are very, very wrong. It would appear they simply don’t care that they are wrong. In short, the left is being hypocritical here.
And while most Christian would consider the behavior displayed in Jesus Camp to be fringy and rare, it would appear the mainstream left is more than willing to embrace rote praising of a leader by our youth, provided said leader is a left-wing leader, and instructing children to do so is a worthwhile endeavor as long as it moves a particular agenda forward.
Excuse me. But I did offer the good in what these children are doing. AS I said before, would we rather them sing about sex and violence? It's a positive message. Just because you don't agree with who the kids are singing about doesn't make it scary, sad, or distasteful. Children can sing about SanataClause, a fictional character and that's okay. It's a choir of children singing about a role model. You may want to the label idol and that's fine. We just have a difference of opinion. As far as the children in the step club, that's a normal thing in cultures other than your own. Political organizations and even political debates are not off limits in high school. We even had greek organizations in our high school. For goodness sakes, would we rather have gangs? From what I saw, these kids were inspired if only for the fact that they have a role model to look up to. Whether you feel that role model is fit to hold office or not. Obama has reached farther than any African American has reached so far as holding the highest office. That inspires people whether he wins or not. And for people to view these activities as scary and unreal is a sad sign of the prejudice and continued refusal to try to understand a culture that is different than yours. It is NOT always what you see on TV.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 10:20:05 AM
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Again - the problem is with kids being politically indoctrinated while in public schools funded by public funds.
If this was done at a neighborhood private social club, etc.. more power to them! By when done with impressionable kids who are only being fed one side of the issue, with our tax dollars, that is wrong.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 10:20:48 AM
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I just saw that before you posted it here - but check out this one - it is really SCAREY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08iomNFrzU4&feature=related
Please enlighten me. What do you feel is so scary about that video?
Did you watch the video? If the translation is correct, their are wishing death on America and all of its people.
IF the translation is correct. And what is so scary about that? People have been wishing death to America for centuries. Now all of a sudden it's on youtube and it's scary? America is not above having enemies. Especially after this administration. But as Christians, we are not supposed to have a spirit of fear, but a spirit of understanding and compassion. I feel more sorry for those children than I do fear of them. IF the translation is correct, they have been lied to and are being indoctrinated into hate. This robs them of their freedom to choose. That should invoke pity, not fear.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 10:21:37 AM
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Wait a second, hold the phone...Children with an African heritage dont have any real role models? What about Gen Colin Powell, Sec Condoleezza Rice, Gov Michael Steel, Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas, J.C. Watts, ect. Or are these not "real" "blacks"?
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 10:26:41 AM
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Why are they yelling "alpha omega"?
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 10:37:23 AM
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Excuse me. But I did offer the good in what these children are doing. AS I said before, would we rather them sing about sex and violence? It's a positive message. Just because you don't agree with who the kids are singing about doesn't make it scary, sad, or distasteful. Children can sing about SanataClause, a fictional character and that's okay. It's a choir of children singing about a role model. You may want to the label idol and that's fine. We just have a difference of opinion. As far as the children in the step club, that's a normal thing in cultures other than your own. Political organizations and even political debates are not off limits in high school. We even had greek organizations in our high school. For goodness sakes, would we rather have gangs? From what I saw, these kids were inspired if only for the fact that they have a role model to look up to. Whether you feel that role model is fit to hold office or not. Obama has reached farther than any African American has reached so far as holding the highest office. That inspires people whether he wins or not. And for people to view these activities as scary and unreal is a sad sign of the prejudice and continued refusal to try to understand a culture that is different than yours. It is NOT always what you see on TV.
You compared this to the kids in the Jesus Camp movie; are you saying what was depicted in that movie was a good thing?
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 10:37:29 AM
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IF the translation is correct.
Even IF that one particular video is not about them being faithful Muslims - there are scores of others were it is indeed what they are saying.
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And what is so scary about that?
I guess you either do not live in the U.S. or feel that you could not die at the hands of a terrorist attack?
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People have been wishing death to America for centuries. Now all of a sudden it's on youtube and it's scary?
America is not above having enemies. Especially after this administration. But as Christians, we are not supposed to have a spirit of fear, but a spirit of understanding and compassion. I feel more sorry for those children than I do fear of them. IF the translation is correct, they have been lied to and are being indoctrinated into hate. This robs them of their freedom to choose. That should invoke pity, not fear.
And they can just as easily still kill you and me. A killer's feelings, motives, etc mean nothing when the action is the same and the result as well.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 10:44:55 AM
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The shallowness of Obama supporters in their defense of evidence that should be alarming, would be laughable if the stakes weren't so high.
I sit here and can esily imagine, had there been an internet in 1932, that some of the socialist Lutherans would be defending the laeders of the Hitler Youth in exactly the same way that socialist Chistians are defending the adults in these latest videos. The children were ALWAYS the pawns. There were in 1932 and they are NOW.
The tragedy is that the socialist Obama Fan-Boys that taught these children to strut in praise of Alpha & Omega Obama (And, do you NOT agree that the adults knew EXACTLY what they were doing here?) are failing these children in their education. Here is the abysmal record of the Urban Community Leadership Academy (UCLA) of Kansas City. MO.
I have a feeling that when these young men CANNOT achieve the goals inspired by Obama, that they will feel it is "the System's fault" rather than the fault of their incompetent socialist teachers.
Grade 7 Communication Arts - Advanced or Proficient: UCLA = 2% , District Middle Schools = 12%, State Middle Schools 32%. UCLA is a Charter School that one would expect to be achieving at a HIGHER rate; but, that not only achieves at a LOWER rate; but, at a SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER rate. Perhaps they should do less 'stepping' and more teaching at UCLA.
I will wait on an independent translation on the Kenyan video. But, if the translation is accurate, and you continue to fail to see the significance of it, I am going to definitely question your motives and, perhaps, your understanding of the significance of the Muslim Messianic vision and its impact on the World's Christians.
I always come back to one criteria for assessing a person's true relationship to Jesus Christ. And, that is that Jesus says He is THE TRUTH. And, He also says that His Children are indwelt with His Spirit. The more that is revealed about Obama that is defended by claimed Christians, the less I am inclined to rely on mere self descriptions about one's Christian Faith. After all, "By their WORKS Ye Shall know them." Defense of evil is one such work. If the video of the Kenyan children children turns out to be a ccorect translation then it is evil. Moreover, it may enlighten us as to why the Islamists have NOT reacted negatively to his 'conversion' to Christianity.
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First off, I have to say I find it odd that in response to this thread and the Obama Children’s Choir thread the response from the left has been oddly scripted:
Actually I find it much less frightening then those nutters brainwashing their children in that film "Jesus Camp" to pray to Bush –J-
Kinda reminds me of that scene is "Jesus Camp" with the little campers praying to a life-sized cardboard image of Bush. todd_t
Jesus Camp!!!!! lol Kids praying in front of a life size cutout of George Bush. Nuff said! Next! adelphi_sky
Did you have those same thoughts on the Jesus Camp movie with kids "praising" a cutout of Bush? tracydolls
I don’t know if they are all reading from the same script, or simply copying off each other, but it pretty much displays how little thought goes into left-wing responses.
Also, the typical left-wing response amounts to a tu quoque response; that is, rather than say why these mindless songs and chants in praise of Obama are good, they are saying well it’s ‘no worse than what happens on the right’ – which given their opinion of what happens on the right, means that these activities in praise of Obama are very, very wrong. It would appear they simply don’t care that they are wrong. In short, the left is being hypocritical here.
And while most Christian would consider the behavior displayed in Jesus Camp to be fringy and rare, it would appear the mainstream left is more than willing to embrace rote praising of a leader by our youth, provided said leader is a left-wing leader, and instructing children to do so is a worthwhile endeavor as long as it moves a particular agenda forward.
Excuse me. But I did offer the good in what these children are doing. AS I said before, would we rather them sing about sex and violence? It's a positive message. Just because you don't agree with who the kids are singing about doesn't make it scary, sad, or distasteful. Children can sing about SanataClause, a fictional character and that's okay. It's a choir of children singing about a role model. You may want to the label idol and that's fine. We just have a difference of opinion. As far as the children in the step club, that's a normal thing in cultures other than your own. Political organizations and even political debates are not off limits in high school. We even had greek organizations in our high school. For goodness sakes, would we rather have gangs? From what I saw, these kids were inspired if only for the fact that they have a role model to look up to. Whether you feel that role model is fit to hold office or not. Obama has reached farther than any African American has reached so far as holding the highest office. That inspires people whether he wins or not. And for people to view these activities as scary and unreal is a sad sign of the prejudice and continued refusal to try to understand a culture that is different than yours. It is NOT always what you see on TV.
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 11:15:45 AM
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Yoza.... 30 min in Radiation therapy and boy has this thread grown! Unfortunately I haven't the time to respond to all the comments — some of which I believe are to me.
One thing about this thread, which may be a bit confusing, ( I know it confused me at first) is that there are two separate videos being discussed.
Anywho... I'll try and respond to the questions and comments today...Mondays are tough for me.
Take care,
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RE: :: Pledge Allegiance to Obama! - 10/6/2008 11:18:06 AM
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Anywho... I'll try and respond to the questions and comments today...
Take care,
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I look forward to it.
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