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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 2:45:03 PM
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Jhud
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Do you honestly think I'm slamming my fellow Christians as some here are slamming their fellow Christian Obama supporters? Even thought it is a fact that people are turned off by some overbearing Christians who give the perception that they have done no wrong and rob all grace and compassion from the message of Christ? Well at least I can admit I got the jail part wrong. That still doesn't excuse the character bashing of his acquaintances. Many people have had relationships with people on the wrong side of the law either knowingly or unknowingly. That doesn't mean they are just as criminal. That's my point.
Obama is a Harvard trained lawyer who was at the time of the 'relationship' not only 'hangin' with the terrorist Ayers, but actively developing radical political organizations with him. Do you really think he had no idea about his very famous past misdeeds? I mean if you really believe that, then you are saying Obama is a complete idiot who can't be trusted in his discertnment about others. Do you think Obama is stupid?
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 3:14:30 PM
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WHo is the saved idiot you are talking about???? McCain or Obama?
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A famous Southern Gosepl Singer once said.
"When an idiot get's saved, he's just a saved idiot!"
I see a lot of truth in that here - how sad
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 3:34:11 PM
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Their paths sure do seem to cross an awful lot:
Ayers and Obama on panel together
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 4:14:20 PM
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Ya gotta love Mark Levin! He tells it like it is and doesn't pull any punches.
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I love the point by Mark Levin at NRO's The Corner:
If John McCain had belonged to a church for 20 years and that church advocated white supremacy and the pastor of the church spewed racist propaganda wrapped in Biblical verses — much of which was caught on video-tape — what would we say? If McCain's good friends included people involved in blowing up abortion clinics instead of the Capitol Building, the Pentagon, and police stations, what would we say? If McCain was socially close to a professor with ties to neo-Nazi groups in Berlin, as opposed to a professor who had ties to the PLO, what would we say? If McCain spent his formative years schooled in fascism as opposed to Marxism, what would we say?
Every time Obama's life experiences and character are raised, the response is a diversionary tactic. Today, we're supposed to be impressed with the moral equivalency argument (Ayers = Keating Five), or Obama's associations and friendships aren't what they appear to be, or Obama really isn't like all those people he drew around him, or those raising these issues are guilty of McCarthyism. There are 30 days left in this election. It's high time the Obama fan-dance ended.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 4:15:35 PM
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Jhud
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Their paths sure do seem to cross an awful lot:
Ayers and Obama on panel together
Shhh...it's all coincidence. Pay no attention to the Marxist behind the curtain.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 4:51:32 PM
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I said "the ties between John McCain and Charles Keating are far more significant than those between Barack Obama and Wm. Ayers". I very clearly said I was talking about the closeness of their their ties. Lets not twist my words around to make people think I said or believe something I don't.
Well let's assume that McCain was in bed (figuratively) with Keating, even though he was cleared of any wrong relationship by a Democratic commitee. And let's assume that Obama's relationship with the terrorist Ayers was exactly as the NYTs times has said it is, despite the fact others have claimed the NYT watered it down. Why would the Keating relationship be more 'significant'?
I'll explain it again then. John McCain's relationship and dealings with Charles Keating were closer and stronger and involved a lot more $, than was Obama's with Ayers. So a position of 'guilt by association' is going to splash more on McCain than Obama.
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Not sure I understand: Why is it 'disingenousus and shameful' to mention Charles Keating in a thread about the McCain campaign slamming their opponent about former acquantances?
Again, you are claiming you are not attempting to associate McCain with Keating by associating McCain with Keating; that is the very definition of disingenous.
I don't understand what side of the issue you are trying to argue, because it changes. Here you are indignant that any mention of Charles Keating is a smear of 'guilt by association', yet you insist Obama is guilty by association w/ Ayers. I have said several times that we should not assume guilt by association, either for Obama or McCain, but you don't seem to believe me so I guess I have no reason to say anything else.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 5:32:13 PM
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At the very worst, Ayers is a someone who has paid his debt to society. He was put in jail, served his time, and is now free. He's a professor at a major university. What's the problem? If the dude was such a threat to peace, I'm not sure he would be out of jail or teaching at a university. Second, to call Obama's relationship with Ayers a friendship is stretching the truth. Do I support what Ayers did before I was even born? No. Would I refuse to even be in the same room with him after he's paid his debt to society? Probably not. Whether you know it or not, ex-convicts walk among us and even worship and work next to us all the time. If you sat next to an ex-rapist in church, would you not pray with them? We seem to be holding people accountable to their past when Christ forgave us for ours. This place just ooozes with forgiveness and compassion. What about those of us who sees the good in people and work with that part? Maybe Ayers should have spent his life in jail. Perhaps that's the judicial system's fault. Blame them for allowing him to go free and make acquaintances and teach. Unless Obama is secretly sympathetic Ayers' cause when Obama was 8 and is planning to bomb the White House, this relationship thing is mute and doesn't hold water. Move on. And we wonder why people are so repelled by Christianity. Sometimes we come off so holy we repel rather than attract.
''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough."
This was BHO's friend in 2001.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 5:37:53 PM
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I'll explain it again then. John McCain's relationship and dealings with Charles Keating were closer and stronger and involved a lot more $, than was Obama's with Ayers. So a position of 'guilt by association' is going to splash more on McCain than Obama.
Well then you are simply wrong about the situation. Keatings misdeeds are said to have occured concurrent with Keating's relationship with the various congress people, of whom McCain was the only Republican, and was cleared of all charges. The behavior with which Ayers was involved, that is involvement in terrorist acitivities, occurred before Obama's involvement and was well known publicly; there is no reason Obama should have not known about it. Nonetheless, Obama chose to knowingly involve himself financially and organizationally with a known terrorist - and that is a much more serious concern.
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I don't understand what side of the issue you are trying to argue, because it changes. Here you are indignant that any mention of Charles Keating is a smear of 'guilt by association', yet you insist Obama is guilty by association w/ Ayers. I have said several times that we should not assume guilt by association, either for Obama or McCain, but you don't seem to believe me so I guess I have no reason to say anything else.
You are attempting to defend Obama by smearing McCain, and it doesn't work logically, morally, or rhetorically - I really can't make it any more clear to you. Obama isn't being 'smeared', he is being rightly criticized for knowlingly involving himself with a unrepentant terrorist, and it doesn't behoove a Christian to apologize for such behavior.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 7:18:17 PM
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Y'know, McCain's foot soldiers can try all the want to shock back to life the dead horse that are Wright and Ayres (via Obama). But it's not going to sway any undecided voters.
If frantic noise like this is the only bullet left in McCain's gun, he's in serious trouble - because God knows he's got zip on actual issues.
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Obama and Ayers has been kept under wraps by the both of them and we do not know the whole story. It's time for this to come clear to the American people and for Obama to come clean about just what this relationship is.
Some keep saying this, as if there is a smoking gun in a safe deposit box somewhere that Obama is frantic to hide - perhaps a 1991 videotape of Ayres, Wright, Rezko, and Obama all chanting "Death to America" in a gay bathhouse?
You guys are embarrassing yourselves. But hey, don't let me stop you.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 7:29:10 PM
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Obama is a Harvard trained lawyer who was at the time of the 'relationship' not only 'hangin' with the terrorist Ayers, but actively developing radical political organizations with him.
And you know this how, Jack? Because you were on the same board as Obama, or you're privy to a time machine than allows you to go back and investigate?
You are making a world of assumptions regarding what Obama was thinking at the time he and Ayres were on that board together.
Either way, it's not going to get Grampie and Caribou Barbie elected.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 7:32:39 PM
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And you know this how, Jack? Because you were on the same board as Obama, or you're privy to a time machine than allows you to go back and investigate?
You are making a world of assumptions regarding what Obama was thinking at the time he and Ayres were on that board together.
Well, as I said previously you could argue that Obama was simply too stupid to know that he was funding and creating organizations with a terrorist, but I am not sure why you would think that.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 7:39:50 PM
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I'll explain it again then. John McCain's relationship and dealings with Charles Keating were closer and stronger and involved a lot more $, than was Obama's with Ayers. So a position of 'guilt by association' is going to splash more on McCain than Obama.
I rather have someone with a shady financial association than a leftist anti-American marxist that wants to destroy the fabric of America.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 7:42:36 PM
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Some here are discussing Ayres as if he were some sort of criminal mastermind in the 1960s.
He wasn't. He was (and remains today) a living joke.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 7:51:35 PM
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Lots of people in Chicago have historic connections with Ayres for his local work in education, including at UIC. Are you suggesting that all of them (or any) endorsed the guy's nutball '60s-era politics?
Well, I am not sure how employing other corrupt Chicago politicians is a defense of Barak, or demonstrates that he didn't know who Ayers was. And Barak is the only one running for President, so it probably would have behooved him to avoid the typical Chicago gang.
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Oh, by the bye - according to RCP, Obama is currently leading McCain-Palin in a poll average in Minnesota by 7.6%.
I always loved that state....such wonderful fishing upstate...
Well, the Strib is always in the tank for Democrats (and happily, on the verge of bankruptcy), so while the state, which is mindlessly Democratic since '72 will almost certainly go for Obama, it will be much closer than the Strib indicates.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 7:54:09 PM
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Some here are discussing Ayres as if he were some sort of criminal mastermind in the 1960s.
He wasn't. He was (and remains today) a living joke.
So so far we have as a defense that Barak was stupid and that he contributed thousands to, and created organizations with, a joke.
With a defense like that, who needs Ayers to be a terrorist?
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 8:00:30 PM
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Well, I am not sure how employing other corrupt Chicago politicians is a defense of Barak, or demonstrates that he didn't know who Ayers was.
So any Chicago public official who's ever had dealing with Ayres is corrupt or stupid? Perhaps they just don't care about Ayres' past or his politics.
As for me, I think Ayres should be in jail, but I wasn't responsible for the FBI botching the prosecution back then.
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Well, the Strib is always in the tank for Democrats (and happily, on the verge of bankruptcy), so while the state, which is mindlessly Democratic since '72 will almost certainly go for Obama, it will be much closer than the Strib indicates
I'm not citing poll numbers from the Strib alone; I'm citing an average of several recent poll results in MN.
The result is the number I provided - for now, anyway; I'm not making any final assumptions about this election now.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 8:31:07 PM
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He wasn't. He was (and remains today) a living joke.
A joker that actually bombed places?
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 8:41:43 PM
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"Fact Check: Is Obama 'palling around with terrorists'?
Posted: 09:00 AM ET
Gov. Palin commented about Sen. Obama and William Ayers at a rally in Carson, California Saturday.
The Statement: Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin said Saturday, October 4, that Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is "someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."
Watch: Is Obama a terrorist's pal?
Get the facts!
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Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are. "
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/fact-check-is-obama-palling-around-with-terrorists/
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 8:43:33 PM
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Does anti Vietnam equate to being a terrorist? What proof do you have that he is a terrorist? Links please and not ones that are media organized.
If being anti Vietnam makes one a terrorist then I guess all of us who are anti-irag are terrorists too .
He is a professor presently, go figure. They allow terrorist to teach our students terror in college?
Absolutely ridiculous. Check your facts before you go around repeating the bleet of mainstream media.
Building bombs to blow up the capital doesn't count as a terrorist? Do you even have any idea who this guy is?
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 8:44:13 PM
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The GOP has a page up about the Obama-Ayers relationship. Honestly, there's no smoking gun there. They clearly have an association, but nothing there overtly suggests that Senator Obama holds the same anti-American views that Ayers does. About all you could reasonably argue from there is that they share views on juvenile justice.
I think one would have to dig deeper into what they did together at the CAC. At least one article I read looking into that (by Kurtz I think) noted that although the goal was ostensibly reform of schools, more effort was put into radicalizing the youth than getting them a better education. If that were indeed the case, and the records showed Senator Obama supported it, that would be a smoking gun demonstrating significant sympathy with Ayers' radical views.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 8:46:25 PM
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Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are. "
What a joke - Liz you always find some obscure way to support your points. I suppose by this criteria, Osama Bin Laden is no longer a terrorist, because hey, he hasn't orchestrated any attacks lately....so goes the logic of the left.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 8:46:31 PM
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He is a professor presently, go figure. They allow terrorist to teach our students terror in college?
Some of what our colleges pass off as academics is nothing short of terrorism.
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Absolutely ridiculous. Check your facts before you go around repeating the bleet of mainstream media.
The mainstream media doesn't seem to be touching any of this stuff. It may be getting mentioned now because the press has been outed.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/6/2008 8:47:13 PM
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I'll explain it again then. John McCain's relationship and dealings with Charles Keating were closer and stronger and involved a lot more $, than was Obama's with Ayers. So a position of 'guilt by association' is going to splash more on McCain than Obama.
I rather have someone with a shady financial association than a leftist anti-American marxist that wants to destroy the fabric of America.
Preach it!
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