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Finally, I think many people realize that Obama is a Presidential candidate and Palin is a Vice-Presidential candidate. The concerns raised about the Presidential candidate will be looked at more closely than those against the VP.

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ORIGINAL: Evangel70

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You better becareful... you DO NOT WANT TO BRING JESUS INTO THIS CONVERSATION!

You're kidding right? Sarah Palin is running as a professing Christian (and a conservative one at that) and you don't want to bring Jesus into the conversation?!?

Palinites are swooning over Sarah's conservative values and salivating at the thought of having a conservative in the white house no matter how unqualified and you are claiming that despite that fact that she is claiming to represent the Christian faith her words and actions should NOT be measured against the word of God?

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ORIGINAL: Rockwall

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ORIGINAL: JustaChristian

Would Jesus want us to distort the truth?

You better becareful... you DO NOT WANT TO BRING JESUS INTO THIS CONVERSATION!

Would Jesus want you to kill babies or support someone who wants to kill babies?

Would Jesus approve of Barack voting against the Partial Birth Abortion Ban or the Born Alive Infant Protection Act?

[image]http://www.lifeissues.org/images/PBA.jpg[/image]

Tell me, what would Jesus do?

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For some reason, the forum did not automatically show the picture even though I could see it in the preview. Watch this also: PBA vid LINK

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ORIGINAL: Evangel70

So 8-year old Obama was palling around with Bill Ayers in the 60's? If Bill Ayers is a terrorist, why is he not in qitmo instead of a college professor? Why is the Bush administration allowing a known terrorist to roam free?

WOW! Despite my misgivings over her qualifications to be VP (and President if she ever needed to step in), I did not question her Christianity until now. Just proves my point that you cannot be a Christian AND a politician. It's said to see her compromise her values to win an election.

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ORIGINAL: Evangel70

So 8-year old Obama was palling around with Bill Ayers in the 60's? If Bill Ayers is a terrorist, why is he not in qitmo instead of a college professor? Why is the Bush administration allowing a known terrorist to roam free?

WOW! Despite my misgivings over her qualifications to be VP (and President if she ever needed to step in), I did not question her Christianity until now. Just proves my point that you cannot be a Christian AND a politician. It's said to see her compromise her values to win an election.

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(Hint, read red text to place it into context) While you are at it, watch the video linked also.

Anybody that is pro-Barack and pro-death should not bring up Jesus unless Jesus is a fictional character to you, and if you honestly believe I am wrong, write word for word that Jesus would approve of abortions. If this is your or anybodies stance, own it and let the world know it!

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ORIGINAL: Evangel70

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Finally, I think many people realize that Obama is a Presidential candidate and Palin is a Vice-Presidential candidate. The concerns raised about the Presidential candidate will be looked at more closely than those against the VP.

While I agree with this in principle, McCain age and history with cancer raises the stakes for his VP candidate. If, God forbid, McCain should have a heart attack shortly after winning the election, do you honestly believe Ms. Palin is up to speed on foreign policy enough to deal with the likes of Putin or Ahmadinejad or Castro or Chavez? Would Ms. Palin be able to work with "Washington insiders" in order to get any legislation passed in a democratically controlled congress and senate?

If, God forbid, Obama should become the victim of some KKK assasination attempt shortly after winning the election, I feel confident that Joe Biden would be able to step in relatively seemlessly. In fact, I would venture to say that Biden is already more qualified than Obama. But the ticket is what it is.

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ORIGINAL: TMeeks

I can tell you this. I am much more comfortable with a Palin presidency than an Obama presidency. At least with Palin I know that the person doing the negotiations with the despots you mentioned didn't harbor a hint of admiration for them.

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ORIGINAL: TMeeks

I can tell you this. I am much more comfortable with a Palin presidency than an Obama presidency. At least with Palin I know that the person doing the negotiations with the despots you mentioned didn't harbor a hint of admiration for them.

A most excedllent post TMeeks.

Thanks
RC

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ORIGINAL: JustaChristian

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(Hint, read red text to place it into context) While you are at it, watch the video linked also.

Anybody that is pro-Barack and pro-death should not bring up Jesus unless Jesus is a fictional character to you, and if you honestly believe I am wrong, write word for word that Jesus would approve of abortions. If this is your or anybodies stance, own it and let the world know it!

Wow, been a while since I have been on this board and it is as paranoid and overly agressive as ever. I never said I was "pro-Obama" and never said that I was pro choice.

Back off. You are so into your defensive posturing you are imagining all kinds of innacurate things about people who come on here to post. Certainly you don't always have people around every corner at your work and town that agree with everything you say. Do you jump all over them in the same way?

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That is very slick of you to snip my post but do not take my post out of context. QUOTE MY ENTIRE POST AND I BOLDED THE FONT TO HELP YOU OUT SINCE YOU MISSED THE POINT OF MY POST:

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ORIGINAL: TMeeks

In any case, anyone but the most willfully self-deceived regarding Bill Ayers can quickly find out why he is correctly labeled a terrorist. He performed willful acts of terrorism by participating in the killing of policemen. Now, maybe that isn't a big deal with those of your 'Christian' persuasion. But, for most of us this counts as a horrific act worthy of distain. But, I suppose when one can look the other way when a child is killed, it's a short step to look the other way when a baby is killed. To most of us, however, killing policemen with bombs is a terrorist act.

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

Obama, does have a lot of shady friends, pastors, and such. Should Sarah have brought it up? I do not know? The media has taken many swipes against her. I do not hear any out cry from the things said about her. I do not trust Obama, has nothing to with him being black, but his middle east back ground. Are we Americans crazy? I am serious why would we vote for someone with a middle east background? 9-11 was not enough for some people. Why would anyone, care to even consider someone who would even associate with a terrorist? I do not care what age BO was when the acts of terror happened. Is that supposed to be an excuse like maybe "BO" did not know this mans background? because he was a little tyke? I do not know about most of you, but, that would not be the type of man I would even think of having him as a "Pal". I hope they jack him up about farrhakhan (sp) too, and his churches assocation with that man. Who goes to a church like that anyway? I am not trying to be PC, I see enough of that from the media, enough to make me want to vomit.

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ORIGINAL: writerchick

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

Obama, does have a lot of shady friends, pastors, and such. Should Sarah have brought it up? I do not know? The media has taken many swipes against her. I do not hear any out cry from the things said about her. I do not trust Obama, has nothing to with him being black, but his middle east back ground. Are we Americans crazy? I am serious why would we vote for someone with a middle east background? 9-11 was not enough for some people. Why would anyone, care to even consider someone who would even associate with a terrorist? I do not care what age BO was when the acts of terror happened. Is that supposed to be an excuse like maybe "BO" did not know this mans background? because he was a little tyke? I do not know about most of you, but, that would not be the type of man I would even think of having him as a "Pal". I hope they jack him up about farrhakhan (sp) too, and his churches assocation with that man. Who goes to a church like that anyway? I am not trying to be PC, I see enough of that from the media, enough to make me want to vomit.

I really don't understand why people are so upset over Obama's acquaintances. Aren't we supposed to be friends to the friendless? Jesus associated with tax collectors and the like. But then he was criticized for that, too. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised at all this sniping. Though it really does make me sad.

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I really don't understand why people are so upset over Obama's acquaintances. Aren't we supposed to be friends to the friendless? Jesus associated with tax collectors and the like. But then he was criticized for that, too. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised at all this sniping. Though it really does make me sad.

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ORIGINAL: writerchick

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

Obama, does have a lot of shady friends, pastors, and such. Should Sarah have brought it up? I do not know? The media has taken many swipes against her. I do not hear any out cry from the things said about her. I do not trust Obama, has nothing to with him being black, but his middle east back ground. Are we Americans crazy? I am serious why would we vote for someone with a middle east background? 9-11 was not enough for some people. Why would anyone, care to even consider someone who would even associate with a terrorist? I do not care what age BO was when the acts of terror happened. Is that supposed to be an excuse like maybe "BO" did not know this mans background? because he was a little tyke? I do not know about most of you, but, that would not be the type of man I would even think of having him as a "Pal". I hope they jack him up about farrhakhan (sp) too, and his churches assocation with that man. Who goes to a church like that anyway? I am not trying to be PC, I see enough of that from the media, enough to make me want to vomit.

I really don't understand why people are so upset over Obama's acquaintances. Aren't we supposed to be friends to the friendless? Jesus associated with tax collectors and the like. But then he was criticized for that, too. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised at all this sniping. Though it really does make me sad.

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

Has anyone here heard of Aaron Williams?

Aaron Williams was in the 1950’s one of the most notorious leaders of the Klan in Mississippi. He basically, as an ‘academic’, who acted as the brains of the Klan in that region. His organization was responsible for killing a number of people, destroying public facilities, terrorizing the local populace, and trying to influence the politics of that place. Because he could never be tied to the activities of that organization, he was never charged, tried or convicted of any crimes.

When it became obvious in the late sixties that the politics were changing in Mississippi, and the Klan was falling out of favor, Williams knew it was time move on, and he eventually found himself in Arizona where his previous activities were less familiar. There he became an academic at Arizona State University, and even though he was now considered ‘acceptable’, he never repented of his previous activities, and indeed in his infrequent public lectures defended them as politically necessary, which was considered amusingly eccentric by those around him.

In the late ‘70s Williams became acquainted with a young Senate liason named John McCain, and quickly saw they shared many political ideals. Indeed, their relationship became close enough that Williams launched McCain’s congressional campaign from his own home, inviting many of his moneyed friends to join in support of this up and coming young politicians. In turn McCain spent thousands of dollars on Williams initiatives which consisted in large part of reforming schools to his own ideology, an ideology that hadn’t changed since his dark days in Mississippi. In addition to financial contributions to Williams work, McCain served with him on academic committees forwarding Williams radical ideologies. To this day McCain has never explained nor rejected his association with Williams.

Does the above surprise or shock you? It shouldn’t because what I wrote above is a fable; there was no Aaron Williams, nor was McCain ever associated with such a person – but if had been, then it should cause great concern among those considering supporting them.

But if you switch Aaron Williams with William Ayres, McCain with Obama, and the Klan with the Weather Underground, then the scenario is virtually the same – and those contemplating voting for Obama should be very concerned about supporting a candidate who is so closely associated with a figure who is in every way as repugnant as a Klan leader.

Of course, the left generally agrees with Ayres agenda, so this will in no way lesson their support for Obama.

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ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky

At the very worst, Ayers is a someone who has paid his debt to society. He was put in jail, served his time, and is now free.

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ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky

He's a professor at a major university. What's the problem? If the dude was such a threat to peace, I'm not sure he would be out of jail or teaching at a university.

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ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky

Second, to call Obama's relationship with Ayers a friendship is stretching the truth. Do I support what Ayers did before I was even born? No. Would I refuse to even be in the same room with him after he's paid his debt to society? Probably not.

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ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky

Whether you know it or not, ex-convicts walk among us and even worship and work next to us all the time. If you sat next to an ex-rapist in church, would you not pray with them?

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ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky

We seem to be holding people accountable to their past when Christ forgave us for ours. This place just ooozes with forgiveness and compassion. What about those of us who sees the good in people and work with that part? Maybe Ayers should have spent his life in jail. Perhaps that's the judicial system's fault. Blame them for allowing him to go free and make acquaintances and teach. Unless Obama is secretly sympathetic Ayers' cause when Obama was 8 and is planning to bomb the White House, this relationship thing is mute and doesn't hold water. Move on. And we wonder why people are so repelled by Christianity. Sometimes we come off so holy we repel rather than attract.

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At the very worst, Ayers is a someone who has paid his debt to society. He was put in jail, served his time, and is now free. He's a professor at a major university. What's the problem? If the dude was such a threat to peace, I'm not sure he would be out of jail or teaching at a university. Second, to call Obama's relationship with Ayers a friendship is stretching the truth. Do I support what Ayers did before I was even born? No. Would I refuse to even be in the same room with him after he's paid his debt to society? Probably not. Whether you know it or not, ex-convicts walk among us and even worship and work next to us all the time. If you sat next to an ex-rapist in church, would you not pray with them? We seem to be holding people accountable to their past when Christ forgave us for ours. This place just ooozes with forgiveness and compassion. What about those of us who sees the good in people and work with that part? Maybe Ayers should have spent his life in jail. Perhaps that's the judicial system's fault. Blame them for allowing him to go free and make acquaintances and teach. Unless Obama is secretly sympathetic Ayers' cause when Obama was 8 and is planning to bomb the White House, this relationship thing is mute and doesn't hold water. Move on. And we wonder why people are so repelled by Christianity. Sometimes we come off so holy we repel rather than attract.