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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 10:03:20 AM
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wing2000
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Secondly, the vast majority of Obama supporters don't know or care about "issues". They have an irrational, emotional attachment to that man. Talking issues is pointless to those people. The only way to win over a small number of those people is to expose flaws in the man's character and hope that some may cahnge their minds.
...yep "those people" are simply irrational...
And the Independent voters of this country will reject such gutter politics for what it is...and soundly defeat the RNC.
It's all desperation to counter this:
Colorado 47.6 44.6 Obama +3.0
Ohio 48.2 45.2 Obama +3.0
Florida 48.6 45.6 Obama +3.0
Nevada 49.3 47.5 Obama +1.8
Missouri 46.8 48.5 McCain +1.7
Virginia 49.0 46.6 Obama +2.4
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 10:04:34 AM
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Finally, I think many people realize that Obama is a Presidential candidate and Palin is a Vice-Presidential candidate. The concerns raised about the Presidential candidate will be looked at more closely than those against the VP.
That's certainly true. Don't underestimate what people can dig up on McCain, though. Look at what his current "buddies" in the W administration did to him in 2000.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 10:05:21 AM
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Finally, I think many people realize that Obama is a Presidential candidate and Palin is a Vice-Presidential candidate. The concerns raised about the Presidential candidate will be looked at more closely than those against the VP.
That's certainly true. Don't underestimate what people can dig up on McCain, though. Look at what his current "buddies" in the W administration did to him in 2000.
True that.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 10:12:19 AM
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Oh I am sure that the tree hugging pinko lefties will call it an all out assult, but in reality it will just be the plain simplistic truth.
From Dictionary.com:
simplistic:
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characterized by extreme and often misleading simplicity; "a simplistic theory of the universe"; "simplistic arguments of the ruling party"
If people on all sides of the political debate would stop using these "simplistic truths" to discredit one another and focus on actual issues everyone would be much better informed on the things that matter.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 10:47:54 AM
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From Dictionary.com:
simplistic:
adjective
characterized by extreme and often misleading simplicity; "a simplistic theory of the universe"; "simplistic arguments of the ruling party"
If people on all sides of the political debate would stop using these "simplistic truths" to discredit one another and focus on actual issues everyone would be much better informed on the things that matter.
I will take the straightforward simple truth over political spin any ole day.
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RE: What Sarah will say to win an election - 10/5/2008 11:02:39 AM
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So 8-year old Obama was palling around with Bill Ayers in the 60's? If Bill Ayers is a terrorist, why is he not in qitmo instead of a college professor? Why is the Bush administration allowing a known terrorist to roam free?
Who said anything about an 8-year old Barack? Either that is a nice deflection to throw people off or you truly do not have a clue that Barack has tried to downplay their friendship. Barack and Ayers were both on the board together of the Woods Fund of Chicago from 1999 to 2001. Ayers still serves on their board according to their website.
I guess Barack accidentally went to Ayers and Dohrn's home and started speaking... many people do that by accident...
(Bernardine Dohrn is Ayers wife)
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In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district’s influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.
While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they’re better known nationally as two of the most notorious — and unrepentant — figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement.
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“I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers’ house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress,” said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the informal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. “[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor.”
Obama and Palmer “were both there,” he said.
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Dr. Young and another guest, Maria Warren, described it similarly: as an introduction to Hyde Park liberals of the handpicked successor to Palmer, a well-regarded figure on the left.
“When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the living room of those two legends-in-their-own-minds, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn,” Warren wrote on her blog in 2005. “They were launching him — introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.”
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It would be a cold day in hell to convince me that if McCain was friends with let's say a member of the Klu Klux Klan who had hung blacks in the 60's that the mainstream media and some on here would ignore it. The mainstream media would jump all over it and you know it. They have scrutinized Palin's personal life in ways that they did not scrutinize Barack.
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WOW! Despite my misgivings over her qualifications to be VP (and President if she ever needed to step in), I did not question her Christianity until now. Just proves my point that you cannot be a Christian AND a politician. It's said to see her compromise her values to win an election.
By they way, Palin is running for VP while Barack is running for President, BUT SHE IS MORE QUALIFIED THAN HE IS TO BE PRESIDENT.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 12:00:52 PM
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Secondly, the vast majority of Obama supporters don't know or care about "issues". They have an irrational, emotional attachment to that man. Talking issues is pointless to those people. The only way to win over a small number of those people is to expose flaws in the man's character and hope that some may cahnge their minds.
That is purely your opinion, and must likely right out of the book "Religulous". I don't believe you corner the market of rational thought. You didn't even know what "Clean Coal technology" means. With all of the ignorance that you appeared to possess why should anyone take lessons in logic from you?
If the majority of Americans seem so irrational as you believe than why don't you leave America and go to where you can be more comfortable? May I recommend Antarctica?
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 12:57:02 PM
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Rockwall
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ORIGINAL: Dubya
Secondly, the vast majority of Obama supporters don't know or care about "issues". They have an irrational, emotional attachment to that man. Talking issues is pointless to those people. The only way to win over a small number of those people is to expose flaws in the man's character and hope that some may cahnge their minds.
That is purely your opinion, and must likely right out of the book "Religulous". I don't believe you corner the market of rational thought. You didn't even know what "Clean Coal technology" means. With all of the ignorance that you appeared to possess why should anyone take lessons in logic from you?
Dubya may scare you because he is correct. I'll also add that many are going to vote for Obama simply because he is black. For some, that reason alone is enough to vote for him. I can post facts and figures to back my positions and statements as I do in many of my posts, but some Barack zealots do not care about that so I will not waste my time.
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If the majority of Americans seem so irrational as you believe than why don't you leave America and go to where you can be more comfortable? May I recommend Antarctica?
FreddieD
That last statement is proof that even though you do not hold the corner market on irrational thought, you are a master of it.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 1:09:25 PM
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Don't underestimate what people can dig up on McCain, though.
Frankly, I don't know why Team Obama isn't throwing McCain's involvement in the Keating Five scandal at him.
It's a matter of public record.
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...yep "those people" are simply irrational...And the Independent voters of this country will reject such gutter politics for what it is...and soundly defeat the RNC.
Although no one can underestimate the impact of negative politics, the fact that McCain is falling back on it just demonstrates that he and Palin have nothing else to offer the country right now.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 1:12:37 PM
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I'll also add that many are going to vote for Obama simply because he is black.
This is true, but you must admit that there are plenty of folks who will also vote AGAINST Obama just because he is black.
I would vote against Obama even if he was green. I don't care about his color, I care about his socialism. And now, the same thing with McCain, who has revealed himself to be another Marxist.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 1:21:57 PM
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Frankly, I don't know why Team Obama isn't throwing McCain's involvement in the Keating Five scandal at him.
It's a matter of public record
Both McCain and Glenn were cleared after the 22 month investigation. Cranston was reprimanded, Reigle and DeConcini were criticized for interfering with the investigation.
McCain has stated the following:
"The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."[1]
Regardless of the level of their involvement, both senators were greatly affected by it. McCain would write in 2002 that attending the two April 1987 meetings was "the worst mistake of my life".[2] Glenn has described the Senate Ethics Committee investigation as the low point of his life.[3]
Sources:
[1] Nowicki, Dan and Muller, Bill (2007-03-01). "John McCain Report: The Keating Five", The Arizona Republic. Retrieved on 2008-10-05.
[2] McCain, Worth the Fighting For, p. 161. Used to support direct quotation
[3] John Glenn archives, JOHN GLENN ~ POLITICAL CAREER, The Ohio State University Libraries. Retrieved 2008-10-05
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 3:45:24 PM
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People get very emotionaly involved with candidates. But let me ask this..
Would Jesus want us to distort the truth?
This kind of attack is unfortunately normal in our politics. But, Sandra Palin is a Christian, and she should have a higher standard.
There is a kernal of truth in this, but that "kernal" would not make a "story", so it is distorted for political gain. Palin, as a Christian, does not do right to place, out of her own mouth, a distortion to the truth.
I think most here know it is a distortion as well, but we seem to have a serious struggle our "politics" trump our beliefs....
We would do better to examine why we defend this kind of distortion. And why we do not place more emphasis on truth in our politics.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 4:01:51 PM
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People get very emotionaly involved with candidates. But let me ask this..
Would Jesus want us to distort the truth?
This kind of attack is unfortunately normal in our politics. But, Sandra Palin is a Christian, and she should have a higher standard.
There is a kernal of truth in this, but that "kernal" would not make a "story", so it is distorted for political gain. Palin, as a Christian, does not do right to place, out of her own mouth, a distortion to the truth.
I think most here know it is a distortion as well, but we seem to have a serious struggle our "politics" trump our beliefs....
We would do better to examine why we defend this kind of distortion. And why we do not place more emphasis on truth in our politics.
Let me point something out to you. Your post is filled with empty words. It is clear you support Obama and for whatever reason you are questioning Palin's faith.
Please back up your assertion that she is distorting the truth with some facts. What has she said that is a distortion?
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 4:08:15 PM
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Secondly, the vast majority of Obama supporters don't know or care about "issues". They have an irrational, emotional attachment to that man. Talking issues is pointless to those people. The only way to win over a small number of those people is to expose flaws in the man's character and hope that some may cahnge their minds.
...yep "those people" are simply irrational...
And the Independent voters of this country will reject such gutter politics for what it is...and soundly defeat the RNC.
It's all desperation to counter this:
Colorado 47.6 44.6 Obama +3.0
Ohio 48.2 45.2 Obama +3.0
Florida 48.6 45.6 Obama +3.0
Nevada 49.3 47.5 Obama +1.8
Missouri 46.8 48.5 McCain +1.7
Virginia 49.0 46.6 Obama +2.4
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
I guess we will have to lopl at the polls on tuesday which will reflect the VP debate?
Thsnks
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 4:08:52 PM
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Would Jesus want us to distort the truth?
This kind of attack is unfortunately normal in our politics. But, Sandra Palin is a Christian, and she should have a higher standard.
Obamas political career started at William Ayres house, so I don't know what's false about it.
I'm shocked that this thread hasn't had the usual array of lefties crying racism yet, as the AP has raised that specter already.
I would imagine a new series of McCain/Palin "troubling article" stories will be hitting the circuit this week among the NYT/WaPo/AP mediacracy this week, just to get Obama back into stealth mode.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 4:14:07 PM
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I haven't said who I plan on voting for. I am not particularly impressed by either candidate.
I have read quite a bit about this issue and the connection is nothing like it is being made out to be. Sorry if calling a chicken a "chicken" is upsetting to you. But this chicken is not a hawk.
Here is a fact checking link I found quickly. You likely will not approve of it but if you want to earnestly learn the truth and be open it is there. I don't have time to find another at the moment. If you wish to critisize me please do so with facts. This story is just political distortion.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
Really, Palin's exact words were "palling around with terrorists". If that is not hyperbole and distortion I don't know what is LOL. Be open and honest. I am sure there are better reasons to vote for one or not for the other. This is not an honest one.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 4:25:40 PM
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The WaPo factchecker? Why not just c/p directly from the Obama campaign site and take out the middle-man?
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 5:29:23 PM
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Would Jesus want us to distort the truth?
You better becareful... you DO NOT WANT TO BRING JESUS INTO THIS CONVERSATION!
Would Jesus want you to kill babies or support someone who wants to kill babies?
Would Jesus approve of Barack voting against the Partial Birth Abortion Ban or the Born Alive Infant Protection Act?
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Tell me, what would Jesus do?
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 5:41:26 PM
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It's interesting to see how as McCain's campaign continues to flounder (for now, anyway) the level of anxiety in these threads is growing more noticeable.
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RE: Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrori... - 10/5/2008 6:56:36 PM
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Palinites are swooning over Sarah's conservative values and salivating at the thought of having a conservative in the white house no matter how unqualified and you are claiming that despite that fact that she is claiming to represent the Christian faith her words and actions should NOT be measured against the word of God?
How did this same position work out with Bush?
Oh, sorry. I forgot that Republicans don't like to mention him in polite company anymore.
My fault!
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RE: What Sarah will say to win an election - 10/5/2008 7:03:13 PM
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Now, as a Christian, I might be able to say I could forgive his past and admit that Obama's association was totally innocent... but the fact is that Ayers in not only unrepentant but has said in interviews that the size of the bomb planted at the Pentagon should have been bigger.
Now, let me ask you sir, as a Christian, how can you excuse that?
I'm not excusing Bill Ayers or his actions. However, to imply that Ayers and Obama are best friends "palling around" with beer in hand at each others home and planning future terrorists attacks on America is quite a stretch of the imagination wouldn't you agree.
Obama has already denounced the man's actions and to the best of my knowledge Ayers is not on Obama's campaign payroll. Thus Sarah Palin's claim is not only deceitful but fearmongering. It's what I would expect from McCain who started the whole "messiah" nonsense. I just expected a higher standard from Ms. Palin.
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RE: What Sarah will say to win an election - 10/5/2008 7:08:31 PM
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Obama has already denounced the man's actions and to the best of my knowledge Ayers is not on Obama's campaign payroll.
But, Obama doesn't denounce anyone until he sees them become a threat to his image. Look at his association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Obama sat in his church for 20 years and says he doesn't follow Wright's teachings? If Ayers is in Obama's circle of influence, it's enough to make me wary of the candidate.
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You're kidding right? Sarah Palin is running as a professing Christian (and a conservative one at that) and you don't want to bring Jesus into the conversation?!?