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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/5/2008 9:08:05 AM
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ljmac
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Wonder what they dials will say when McCain recites his POW experience again.
Are you seriously questioning that? His fellow prisoners are even campaigning for him, so I don't think that's a place you want to go. Besides, I am pretty sure he's been honest about that.
I personally would like both of them to answer. Is this election legit, or are you both part of a conspiracy and the Republican and Democratic parties are really no different from each other and both have an agenda of a massively large government seeking to control every aspect of our lives?
RG, Don't forget that liberals hate the military.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/5/2008 9:55:24 AM
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Both Obama and McCain are huge liars. But for me, if I had to pick between the two, I'd say the bigger liar is McCain.
Obama at least comes right out and says that he supports socialist activity on the part of the government. McCain is the ultimate RINO fake conservative. He can talk all he wants, he is a socialist who supports unconstitutional federal intervention into the marketplace. This will probably cost him the election.
I'm voting for Barr most likely. He does not lie about anything important, and he is not a communist.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/5/2008 1:01:08 PM
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rgsoundguy
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Both Obama and McCain are huge liars. But for me, if I had to pick between the two, I'd say the bigger liar is McCain.
Obama at least comes right out and says that he supports socialist activity on the part of the government. McCain is the ultimate RINO fake conservative. He can talk all he wants, he is a socialist who supports unconstitutional federal intervention into the marketplace. This will probably cost him the election.
I'm voting for Barr most likely. He does not lie about anything important, and he is not a communist.
I am with you about voting for Barr. He has a shady past however, voted for the Patriot Act and against Medical Marijuana. He did however publicly apologize for both of these. I admire that.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/5/2008 1:10:21 PM
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ekserekseez
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I am with you about voting for Barr. He has a shady past however, voted for the Patriot Act and against Medical Marijuana. He did however publicly apologize for both of these. I admire that.
Right, Barr publicly apologized for both of these. Unlike the constantly shifting policies of McBama.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/5/2008 8:43:33 PM
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Makes one wonder why so many liberals are IN the military and many more liberals even have sons and daughters serving in Iraq. Go figure.
Free college. Don't get me wrong. Free college for serving your country is one of the best perks. However, as a former officer in the military, I've seen too many who swore to protect and defend the constitution cower when it came to actual call up. I've heard them say to me, "I signed up for the fee college, not to get shot at." Sorry, but when you signed on, you signed up for the full meal deal.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/6/2008 10:01:42 AM
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No, because the results wouldn't matter. The left generally don't care about their candidates telling the truth or not. The left didn't care when Bill Clinton did it, they don't care about Biden doing it, and they certainly don't care that 0Bama is a blatant deceiver. Honesty and integrity aren't very high items on the Democrat's priority list.
So are you then implying that "the right" is truthful? I'm curious if that's your contention.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/6/2008 10:03:40 AM
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Carter redux.
Is that anything like reflux? 
Maybe it's a little like the Nixon-Ford "pinch" where inflation flew through the roof as they "fought" it with "Whip Inflation Now" (WIN) buttons.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/6/2008 10:17:03 AM
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blue1914
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My favorite lies are when people lie about themselves to either make themselves look good or others look bad.
Biden had to drop out of the presidential race years ago when he had an angry outburst listing his educational accomplishments that all turned out to be false. A clue; he was near the bottom of his class, not the top.
Long before she was a candidate H. Clinton stopped in New Zealand on her way back from Beijing and said that she was named after famed Kiwi explorer Sir Edmund Hilary. Too bad she was born before he climbed Mt. Everest and anyone ever heard of him.
BO told a story about how his uncle helped liberate Auschwitz. He had no uncles in Europe during WWII. Even if he had, Russia liberated Auschwitz.
Then BHO told an audience that his white mama and black daddy met during the Selma civil rights march. But he was born before the march.
Hmmm - his uncle helped to liberate Buchenwald instead of Auschwitz - so that makes it a "material lie" how? It sounds a little more to me like a mistake-and if we are all to castigated over our mistakes, then Mr. McCain has lost the election already.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/27/recollection-of-obama-familys-service-missing-key-details/
On the meeting at a civil rights march, hmm, I haven't found that story anywhere but on "he said she said" right leaning blogs. Do you happen to have an independant source with first hand evidence of this statement by Mr. Obama?
All of that said, I guess I wonder - how does that change the price of tea in China? Mr. McCain is at the least as accomplished a liar as Mr. Obama is accused of being for beginning an affair while his previous wife lay suffering from cancer, not to mention the "stretching of the truth" to make a health education bill into "sex education for kindergartners". Mrs. Palin is at least as accomplished a liar as Mr. Biden is accused of being for now "ducking" the probe into her activities related to the "troopergate" case in her administration, not to mention the ridiculous and specious "hanging out with terrorists" foolishness she tried to spew out this weekend about Mr. Obama's "past associates". She knew when she said it that it was impossible for Mr. Obama to have had any association with any type of terrorist organization, even though he had a friend who did-when Mr. Obama was 8 YEARS OLD.
So, they are all lying in some form or another. How do these lies (or half truths even) affect their stances on public policy? Can we return to that in anyway-what we feel they will do instead of what they are saying-on the campaign trail or otherwise?
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/6/2008 10:26:08 AM
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blue1914
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That is my point though, Evangel. It is already there for anyone to see who is generally more honest. I seriously doubt that any significant number of people would suddenly say, "What?!?!? 0bama is a liar?!?!". Someone could produce a video of 0bama robbing a bank, and the liberal left would say what a Robin Hood he was and praise him for how he robbed the bank to give to the poor.
Again, the left doesn't care, and the right cares, but knows that 0bama is the greater evil.
I think the issue here - unconciously to you of course - is the definition of "generally more honest" and I would agree with Evangel's train of thought that relative "honesty" or "dishonesty" is a matter of perspective.
You feel Mr. McCain to be "generally more honest" than Mr. Obama becuase you tend to support him. To be quite honest, for every example you will find of Mr. Obama's "dishonesty", it's generally pretty easy to find a similar instance within Mr. McCain's candidacy. The difference of course is that since it's Mr. McCain, you are able to much more clearly identify those "mistakes" and give Mr. McCain grace for them and he becomes "more honest" and had more "integrity". On the other hand, a similar "mistake" by Mr. Obama becomes a deliberate attempt to deceive in your book.
I guess I would ask everyone - is that really fair at all? All the rest aside-how does mistakes and slip-ups in speech relate to how they will perform in office in your opinion?
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/6/2008 10:26:50 AM
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Found a great site for this thread, a "Truth-o-Meter from the St. Petersburg Times -
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/
This is the kind of stuff that makes my eyes roll back into my head! Especially since TaoPoohBear has been accused in other posts of not reading things to intellectually understand them.
These sites with meter.gif icons are nothing more than thought candy for the reading comprehensionably challenged (much like youtube).
Take this one for example:
Palin: As mayor, every year I was in office I did reduce taxes. HALF TRUE
The claim is approached this way... "But did taxes actually go down?"
What is this? Bill Moyers and Frontline??
That's not what her claim was! It was whether she reduce taxes or not, and she did which is true.
She reduced the property taxes and business taxes but Alaska has no sales tax at all, so as mayor she raised it from 2% to 2.5% wow a whole .5 % raised!
Btw what is your state sales tax, some are around 7%.
So she creates a business friendly environment for a marked improvement but get's slapped with a HALF TRUE on the brain numbing Politifact.com site. I hope it's obvious what's wrong with this picture.
On the other one where she claimed to be building a natural gas pipeline , she gets a total FALSE where as the details clearly state:"
"Palin did spearhead a plan under which TransCanada Corp., a Canadian company"
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"While there are plans on the drawing board to build a pipeline, and Palin moved them forward in certain respects as governor, her claim in the debate suggests construction is underway"
Note they slapped her with a FALSE based on what they THOUGHT she was "suggesting" , she didn't say "construction is underway"..
And this charge "Palin has repeatedly mischaracterized the agreement with TransCanada"
was not even rebutted in the article. !! It's just a thrown out "mischaracterization" charge.
The worst she did was state a conflicting cost but there was only one source given. So it's not proven even she exagerated.
Other phrases such as "experts were skeptical", "she over stated" and "probably wrong" show that the site is highly subjective.
This website is a total waste of time to read imo.
But watch Taopoohbear respond by asking me what I am talking about and it doesn't make sense lol.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/6/2008 10:52:32 AM
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Found a great site for this thread, a "Truth-o-Meter from the St. Petersburg Times -
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/
This is the kind of stuff that makes my eyes roll back into my head! Especially since TaoPoohBear has been accused in other posts of not reading things to intellectually understand them.This website is a total waste of time to read imo.
But watch Taopoohbear respond by asking me what I am talking about and it doesn't make sense lol.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
You want to be the title of this thread. 
You got my vote!
O I get it, you are saying because I printed exact quotes from the article which contradict themselves you think I am a liar.
Maybe you should go back to looking at pictures if this is too tough to reason out.
On the other hand, if you would like to debate the facts, have at it! waiting.......
Dude, you freaked out over a website that's fun, why?
It's in Florida, ain't that "John McCain country"?
It seems to skewer all the nominees, not fair enough?
By the way, you get my vote because you slander me over another thread where someone implies Dick Cheney is the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, do you think he is?
You just need to calm down.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/6/2008 11:18:56 AM
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
Found a great site for this thread, a "Truth-o-Meter from the St. Petersburg Times -
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/
This is the kind of stuff that makes my eyes roll back into my head! Especially since TaoPoohBear has been accused in other posts of not reading things to intellectually understand them.This website is a total waste of time to read imo.
But watch Taopoohbear respond by asking me what I am talking about and it doesn't make sense lol.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
You want to be the title of this thread.
You got my vote!
O I get it, you are saying because I printed exact quotes from the article which contradict themselves you think I am a liar.
Maybe you should go back to looking at pictures if this is too tough to reason out.
On the other hand, if you would like to debate the facts, have at it! waiting.......
Dude, you freaked out over a website that's fun, why?
It's in Florida, ain't that "John McCain country"?
It seems to skewer all the nominees, not fair enough?
By the way, you get my vote because you slander me over another thread where someone implies Dick Cheney is the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, do you think he is?
You just need to calm down.
You seem to be unable to reason the facts and understand the issues that go beyond a truth o meter.
If you don't understand what you are posting, it's probably not a good idea to post.
If you would like to discuss any of my other posts on here just say hi and do it. Fair?
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/6/2008 11:44:46 AM
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The candidate with the biggest problem with the truth, and perhaps with reality itself, is Joe Biden, hands down. Interestingly he isn't mentioned at the website linked to earlier (probably because his lies would push everyone else's off the page) but he is certainly the worst. The intetresting thing about Biden is that he is shameless; he will tell lie after lie with such boldness and conviction that it is very hard to believe he is actually doing it; but as the recent debate shows, he is doing it.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/6/2008 12:29:45 PM
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The intetresting thing about Biden is that he is shameless; he will tell lie after lie with such boldness and conviction that it is very hard to believe he is actually doing it; but as the recent debate shows, he is doing it.
He was also very believable in his tale telling ... I began to doubt my own knowledge of the issues and had to look them up to see if I had missed something ... it turns out he was just spewing off untruths as if they were absolutes ... and in a very convincing manner. I found it to be a bit frightening.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/6/2008 12:41:13 PM
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When has Obama had to prove anything he is saying? He has made all sorts of statements but little or no vetting has really been done on him by the press. He is giving new meaning to teflon -- courtesy of the mainstream press. Frankly, this makes me ill.
Which is why putting BOTH candidates on lie detectors would bring to light who's being honest and who is not. Wouldn't that be a refreshing sight?
It's not possible because the electric grid couldn't handle the load.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/6/2008 7:23:24 PM
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No, because the results wouldn't matter. The left generally don't care about their candidates telling the truth or not. The left didn't care when Bill Clinton did it, they don't care about Biden doing it, and they certainly don't care that 0Bama is a blatant deceiver. Honesty and integrity aren't very high items on the Democrat's priority list.
So are you then implying that "the right" is truthful? I'm curious if that's your contention.
No, I am not implying that. I am saying plainly that a candidate being truthful is much more important to the right than to the left, which of course is a generalization and not true for EVERY member of the left, just the majority. The right is more likely to abandon a candidate based on their lack of honesty because the right doesn't get as emotionally invested in their candidates. The left generally ties themselves to their candidates emotionally, and it becomes much harder to disengage from them or to even see their shortcomings. The right is generally more reasonable and less emotional.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/8/2008 11:48:44 PM
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Would you support having McCain and Obama hooked up to lie detectors during their next debate on Tuesday with a screen informing the voters (but not the candidates) whether their statements are true or whether they are lying during Tuesday's debate so that the nation can see for themselves who's being truthful?
Why or why not?
I'd support it, it would force both of them to be truthful, not tell half truths or just out right lies. It would be a good idea because it really let know voters where they stand and what they're going to do, maybe it'll change some people's mind about whom they were going to for or help those that are still undecided.
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/9/2008 11:13:57 AM
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No, because the results wouldn't matter. The left generally don't care about their candidates telling the truth or not. The left didn't care when Bill Clinton did it, they don't care about Biden doing it, and they certainly don't care that 0Bama is a blatant deceiver. Honesty and integrity aren't very high items on the Democrat's priority list.
This is a great place to post this....
REMEMBER THIS LINE BY BIDEN AT THE VP DEBATE????
"Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie's restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time, and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years."
GUESS WHAT???
That restaurant, Katie's, that Biden so fondly mentioned.....it CLOSED over TWENTY YEARS ago....(and isn't even on the street he said it was!)
Now, that's what I call "OUT OF TOUCH"!!!!!
DelwareOnLine called this latest "gaffe" (or imagination), as "Biden's Restaurant to Nowhere"....
http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/2008/10/ill-meet-you-anytime-you-want-in-our.html
IF he can't get THIS little tidbit of a fact straight, who knows if ANYTHING ELSE he's telling us is a lie, imaginary or whatever!
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RE: Who's the biggest liar? - 10/10/2008 2:17:55 AM
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Just wanted to post an interesting tidbit I stumbled across. Didn't seem to warrant its own thread, so I thought this was the most appropriate place.
This is a letter from Senator McCain to Senator Obama dated February 6, 2006 concerning lobbying reform. Basically, McCain is politely slamming Obama for lying to him (hence why it fits in this thread). This is well before either began running for President, and provides an interesting glimpse of the two as Senators.
And frankly, all I can say is, yee-ouch!
-Robb
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