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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 3:00:08 PM
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ekserekseez
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Why should she? The last interviews were senseless in their questioning. Homosexuals, newspappers, legal decisions. Because some people may actually want to hear if she has an opinion on these or other topics. What' wrong with wanting to hear a potential VP discuss legal decisions? The future of Roe v Wade is irrelevant to me. I just don't care if people have abortions, or if they don't. You might though, right? Do you have an opinion about Roe v Wade? Other people do, I know, and they just might want to know if Palin does too.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 3:11:17 PM
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GregandJenny
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Bringing this back in line with the thread, it appears from Palin's statement in the VP debate that she also supports legal remedies, but not marriage, to allow same-sex partners access to hospital rooms and other situations. this is why it was so important for her YES to be Yes and he no to be no. I don't think she will push legislation for or against. In fact I would think her resposnce would be "it is a state issue" G
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 3:14:16 PM
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ekserekseez
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this is why it was so important for her YES to be Yes and he no to be no. I don't get what you mean by this. She said no, she does not support same-sex marriage (Biden said the same thing). She also said that she supports people being able to make contracts and agreements. So why do you think her YES is not a YES?
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 3:20:00 PM
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TaoPoohBear
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ORIGINAL: ekserekseez quote:
Why should she? The last interviews were senseless in their questioning. Homosexuals, newspappers, legal decisions. Because some people may actually want to hear if she has an opinion on these or other topics. What' wrong with wanting to hear a potential VP discuss legal decisions? The future of Roe v Wade is irrelevant to me. I just don't care if people have abortions, or if they don't. You might though, right? Do you have an opinion about Roe v Wade? Other people do, I know, and they just might want to know if Palin does too. Sarah Palin speaking on Fox News - quote:
In those Katie Couric interviews, I did feel that there were lot of things that she was missing in terms of an opportunity to ask what a VP candidate stands for, what the values are represented in our ticket. I wanted to talk about Barack Obama increasing taxes, which would lead to killing jobs. I wanted to talk about his proposal to increase government spending by another trillion dollars. Some of his comments that he's made about the war, that I think may, in my world, disqualify someone from consideration as the next commander in chief. Some of the comments that he has made about Afghanistan -- what we are doing there, supposedly just air raiding villages and killing civilians. That's reckless. I want to talk about things like that. So I guess I have to apologize for being a bit annoyed, but that's also an indication of being outside the Washington elite, outside of the media elite also. I just wanted to talk to Americans without the filter and let them know what we stand for. Still waiting for what you stand for and those values in your ticket, Sarah! Unless it's you stand for ambition & value ignorance?
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 3:25:42 PM
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If I one day decide that I like hopping on one foot to get around rather than walk with two, I wouldn't expect special one-footed-hopping rules for the next marathon I want to enter. No, but nobody would stop you from hopping, either. And that is exactly my point! Nobody is stopping anyone from acting on their misdirected sexual lust, but there is no reason to normalize it or make it easier. Using my analogy again: if I enter the marathon and choose to hop my way through it, there should be no expectation that I will finish first or finish well. It will be a difficult race that I will not do very well because of my choice to hop instead of run. I understand you are not a Christian, so I understand that you probably disagree with my premise.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 4:33:36 PM
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ekserekseez
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And that is exactly my point! Nobody is stopping anyone from acting on their misdirected sexual lust, but there is no reason to normalize it or make it easier. Using my analogy again: if I enter the marathon and choose to hop my way through it, there should be no expectation that I will finish first or finish well. It will be a difficult race that I will not do very well because of my choice to hop instead of run. I understand you are not a Christian, so I understand that you probably disagree with my premise. And if you had friends who also hopped on one foot, you wouldn't want some arbitrary rule or regulation prevent them from hopping along with you, right? Actually, your analogy doesn't hold at all. I dont know what being a Christian or not has to do with it, since apparently many people here, who are mostly probably Christian, also seem to disagree. You keep saying the same thing over and over, and it's still as clear as mud. I give up.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 4:35:57 PM
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I just happen to have MSNBC on and the debates are on again. Let me say that I can't stand Palin's sarcasm and "Say it isn't so Joe" comments. I disn't find her comments or her attitude very professional. I'm all for joking around when it's appropriate. I don't care for that cuteziness(sp?) either.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 4:47:14 PM
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She's making it clear she does not have a vendetta against homosexuals Well, should she become VP, this will certainly be welcome news to the current VP's family. I listened to her answer and thought she was saying that homosexuals should have that right. That being said It was also my opinion that she has said she supports an amendment that would define marriage as between a man and a woman and the the "rights" issue should rest with the individual states.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 5:35:26 PM
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ekserekseez
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I just happen to have MSNBC on and the debates are on again. Let me say that I can't stand Palin's sarcasm and "Say it isn't so Joe" comments. I disn't find her comments or her attitude very professional. I'm all for joking around when it's appropriate. I don't care for that cuteziness(sp?) either. It gets really old really fast. I can't imagine four years of fake folksiness.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 6:11:31 PM
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Dubya
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ORIGINAL: stampinlady I just happen to have MSNBC on and the debates are on again. Let me say that I can't stand Palin's sarcasm and "Say it isn't so Joe" comments. I disn't find her comments or her attitude very professional. I'm all for joking around when it's appropriate. I don't care for that cuteziness(sp?) either. That's so refreshing to hear. You must have really has a fit when Obama made his cute "lipstick on a pig" comment.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 6:47:42 PM
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GregandJenny
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I don't get what you mean by this. She said no, she does not support same-sex marriage (Biden said the same thing). She also said that she supports people being able to make contracts and agreements. In the debate, she should have said "I don't support homosexuals as a married couple. i don't believe they should have special rights or extra rights because they are not married" he answer needed to be clearer.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 6:56:56 PM
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Dubya
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ORIGINAL: GregandJenny quote:
I don't get what you mean by this. She said no, she does not support same-sex marriage (Biden said the same thing). She also said that she supports people being able to make contracts and agreements. In the debate, she should have said "I don't support homosexuals as a married couple. i don't believe they should have special rights or extra rights because they are not married" he answer needed to be clearer. This seems to be a big issue for you. Is it enough for you to support Obama?
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 7:06:51 PM
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GregandJenny
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If yu have not read my post sir, I support McCain/ Palin. Please re-read my posts. I was simply trying to say that I think Palin, confused a lot of people. I know what she meant, I know what she stands for. But she doesn't have to worry about me because she already has my vote. G
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 7:49:57 PM
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Dubya
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ORIGINAL: GregandJenny If yu have not read my post sir, I support McCain/ Palin. Please re-read my posts. I was simply trying to say that I think Palin, confused a lot of people. I know what she meant, I know what she stands for. But she doesn't have to worry about me because she already has my vote. G I'm sorry if I offended you. Actually I have read all of your posts and I always thought you supported McCain/Palin which is why I asked the question. You seemed pretty upset with Palin so I was wondering if she lost your support.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 7:51:44 PM
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GregandJenny
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nope she still has it . I honestly try to be critical of both sides. In an election like this it's really important that canidates are very clear. G
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/5/2008 1:57:50 AM
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zamdad
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In the debate, she should have said "I don't support homosexuals as a married couple. i don't believe they should have special rights or extra rights because they are not married" he answer needed to be clearer. I got the sense she said, pretty straight forward, that she did not support marriage outside the defenition of one man, one woman. All in all, I thought she was rather clear, What I heard of Biden's responses was politico speech. Things I would have to go back and chew before trying to digest. Even after chewing it for awhile, it's not as good as moose stew.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/5/2008 9:35:07 AM
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ekserekseez
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In the debate, she should have said "I don't support homosexuals as a married couple. i don't believe they should have special rights or extra rights because they are not married" he answer needed to be clearer. I don't understand what is not clear to you about her answer. She said that she does not support same-sex marriage. She also said that she does support people being able to make contracts with each other. The ability to enter into legal contracts is not a "special right," it's something that all adults can do. Everyone else got what she means. Are you now going to vote against McCain/Palin?
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/5/2008 11:45:35 AM
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GregandJenny
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Are you now going to vote against McCain/Palin? [Send Private Message] Nope still voting for them. Like I said it's not me she they have to convince. It's the swing voters. G
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/5/2008 12:04:34 PM
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ekserekseez
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Nope still voting for them. Like I said it's not me she they have to convince. It's the swing voters Well, I was one of those swing voters tending toward McCain, and now Barr has my vote because McCain and Palin are socialists who defend the Marx-inspired bailout of the market with unconstitutional federal intervention. So I guess, in terms of the VP debate, Sarah lost my vote because she'd rather be cutesy than conservative.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/5/2008 1:23:43 PM
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I didn't vote in this poll because I want the field "Who Cares?" to be added.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/5/2008 4:32:46 PM
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Dubya
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I don't understand why Biden's impassioned response regarding the powers of the Vice President hasn't upset more people here. His answer was: quote:
And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit. For a man who has been in the Senate for 35 years and has served on the judiciary committee I find this to be very disturbing that he does not has a better understanding of the Constitution, let alone the powers and responsibilities of the office he hopes to attain. From Article 1 Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution: quote:
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided. The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States. As can clearly be seen, Biden is wrong and as much vitriol as he displayed for Vice President Cheney, Cheney has only done his job according to the Constitution. Well how about it? What do you Dems have to say about your guy?
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/5/2008 4:40:59 PM
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Psalms274
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ORIGINAL: Dubya I don't understand why Biden's impassioned response regarding the powers of the Vice President hasn't upset more people here. His answer was: quote:
And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit. For a man who has been in the Senate for 35 years and has served on the judiciary committee I find this to be very disturbing that he does not has a better understanding of the Constitution, let alone the powers and responsibilities of the office he hopes to attain. From Article 1 Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution: quote:
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided. The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States. As can clearly be seen, Biden is wrong and as much vitriol as he displayed for Vice President Cheney, Cheney has only done his job according to the Constitution. Well how about it? What do you Dems have to say about your guy? I agree ... I think the problem is that so many Americans are clueless when it comes to both the constitution AND understanding what has happened in recent years. I saw 14 outright untruths that Biden stated with such authority, I almost believed him! I even went back to look them up thinking I was wrong, but he was ... and the sad thing is, he comes off as knowing what he is talking about ... and people believe him, even when it is not true.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/5/2008 5:48:36 PM
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Yeah, I heard that too. I thought maybe it was a slip of the tongue at the time. Of course when I read that he recently said that Roosevelt was president when the Depression started, I'm starting to think maybe he just needs to get his facts right before he speaks.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/5/2008 5:50:52 PM
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Dubya
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ORIGINAL: Consecrated2God Yeah, I heard that too. I thought maybe it was a slip of the tongue at the time. Of course when I read that he recently said that Roosevelt was president when the Depression started, I'm starting to think maybe he just needs to get his facts right before he speaks. Do you think it could be Alzheimer's or is it just Joe?
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