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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 1:59:14 PM
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stampinlady
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She doesn't support legal rights for homosexuals.
And that's wrong, imo. It's discrimination.
Lisa, she may have voted against it in her state, but she needs to let the nation know EXACTLY where she stands, plain and simple.
Yes, Greg, she did skirt it a bit.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:00:44 PM
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GregandJenny
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I felt she was trying to make it clear that she doesn't hate homosexuals.
I agree 100%. I know it's a fine line and in an election like this everything matters. she did justice to that side of it. Just not to the other 
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:02:25 PM
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Of course they have legal rights--we all have legal rights. What she is against is homosexual couples having the same legal rights as married couples. I agree with her.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:02:25 PM
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LivingParadox
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She doesn't support legal rights for homosexuals.
And that's wrong, imo. It's discrimination.
Lisa, she may have voted against it in her state, but she needs to let the nation know EXACTLY where she stands, plain and simple.
Yes, Greg, she did skirt it a bit.
She supports that homosexuals have the SAME rights, just not special ones.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:03:37 PM
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It's the parents who detest their sons lifestyle choice who say we don't want to have anything to do with Joe's partner, we don't want him here.
If parents think that some how they are going to "save" their gay adult child, or bring about some reconciliation, by denying their partner access to them in the hospital, they're crazy. The parents might have the right to do this, but it's a really good way to drive their child away forever.
Now that we're off topic, to bring it back around: I think what Palin was saying was this very thing: if a gay adult wants their partner at their bedside in the hospital, it should be allowed. This isn't a matter of "special rights," it's a matter of decency.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:05:54 PM
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I'm also willing to bet, she gives no more interviews to Couric.
She has already expressed her disatisfaction with the pop quiz mentality of a ratings seeking democrat news girl so you are probably right.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:06:20 PM
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LivingParadox
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It's the parents who detest their sons lifestyle choice who say we don't want to have anything to do with Joe's partner, we don't want him here.
If parents think that some how they are going to "save" their gay adult child, or bring about some reconciliation, by denying their partner access to them in the hospital, they're crazy. The parents might have the right to do this, but it's a really good way to drive their child away forever.
Now that we're off topic, to bring it back around: I think what Palin was saying was this very thing: if a gay adult wants their partner at their bedside in the hospital, it should be allowed. This isn't a matter of "special rights," it's a matter of decency.
That I agree. And the partners should make legal arrangements for these kinds of instances.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:06:55 PM
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ekserekseez
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I'll be she quits while she's ahead and doesn't give interviews to anyone. She'll be a talking head behind a podium until November.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:08:20 PM
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GregandJenny
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She supports that homosexuals have the SAME rights, just not special ones.
I agree the same rights as a "dating" couple would have. NOT a Married one. I don't think it's discriminatory because Marriage is between a man and a woman and should be between man and a woman. You cannot redesign or relegislate something that is a God given institution. You might think you can change the definition but you can't redefine the things of God.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:09:44 PM
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GregandJenny
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Of course they have legal rights--we all have legal rights. What she is against is homosexual couples having the same legal rights as married couples. I agree with her.
this is a statement she should have made at the debate.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:21:41 PM
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:22:47 PM
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ekserekseez
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So would anyone else here like to see a second VP debate, maybe in a different format?
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:28:04 PM
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stampinlady
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So would anyone else here like to see a second VP debate, maybe in a different format?
Does it really matter in the long run? I don't think so.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:39:09 PM
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Palin was all about substance .....
AND that's the scary part -
“Nuclear war would be the be-all end-all of too many people and too many parts of our planet.” - Sarah Palin
Yeah, sure, ya betcha.
What, exactlly, is your objection to that statement?
Do you understand the context?
I understand the context -
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IFILL: Governor, on another issue, interventionism, nuclear weapons. What should be the trigger, or should there be a trigger, when nuclear weapons use is ever put into play?
http://news.spreadit.org/vp-debate-transcript-2008vp-debate-text/
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Biden - "....with regard to arms control and weapons, nuclear weapons require a nuclear arms control regime. John McCain voted against a Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty that every Republican has supported.
John McCain has opposed amending the Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty with an amendment to allow for inspections.
I mean, I know you CONservatives like it simple, but simple-minded?! 
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:39:40 PM
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Dubya
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Hey, I was just sharing the way it came across to me. But really, what I said was very mild compared to the many, many nasty remarks made about Palin on these boards.
I understand what you are saying. Yes there have been some very cruel and stupid comments made about Palin (another thread is dedicated to that).
But if you have ever lost someone very dear to you, you would understand that that is something you never get over. For that reason, I believe Biden's emotion is very, very genuine. He lost his beloved wife and an infant daughter. In addition, his two young sons were critically injured and there was lingering doubt that they would survive. One of those sons is the one just sent off to Iraq with his military unit. I am quite certain that Biden has a combination of deep grief when he recalls that event combined with a sense of very deep pride in his son who survived and is doing so well today.
I think it is important to retain a sense of humanity when engaging in political debates. I do not support Joe Biden's politics but I have a deep sense of respect for him as a man and father.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:41:13 PM
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ekserekseez
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I would--I thought it was a lot more interesting than the Presidential debates. As for a different format--I'd like to see them face-off on forums!
Only if you moderate. And I promise not to whine about your ideological bias.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:41:53 PM
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ManimalX
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ou don't have to have any special legislation to give them that right, since no one has denied them that anyway.
Actually they have. This is really where the issue is with many homosexuals. if a homosexual is dying and say I am the parent of that then I can decide if the "partner stays in the room". If I am dying no one can tell my wife to leave the hospital, she has a "legal" right to me if you will. The people who aren't legally married don't have that. their next of kin may be a sibling, or a parent and that person is then in control.
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And this is exactly how it should be. If a girl goes to a hospital and the parents don't want her boyfriend to be there, guess what? He doesn't get to be there. If a homosexual is dying and the parents don't want a "partner" to be there, then they don't get to be there. Your analogy about your wife doesn't work because marriage is for a man and a woman. If two men want to practice disgusting sexual deviance, fine. But they put themselves in that situation and there should never be any special rights that make it easier for them to be homosexuals. If I one day decide that I like hopping on one foot to get around rather than walk with two, I wouldn't expect special one-footed-hopping rules for the next marathon I want to enter.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:42:06 PM
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GregandJenny
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I think it is important to retain a sense of humanity when engaging in political debates. I do not support Joe Biden's politics but I have a deep sense of respect for him as a man and father.
Well said Dubya, Very well said.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:42:54 PM
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She doesn't support legal rights for homosexuals.
And that's wrong, imo. It's discrimination.
According to the bible, or man's idea of what is right and wrong?
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:44:49 PM
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GregandJenny
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Your analogy about your wife doesn't work because marriage is for a man and a woman.
Exactly if you read all my posts that is what I was trying to say!!!
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:45:41 PM
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ekserekseez
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If I one day decide that I like hopping on one foot to get around rather than walk with two, I wouldn't expect special one-footed-hopping rules for the next marathon I want to enter.
No, but nobody would stop you from hopping, either. Your earlier statements are incorrect or inaccurate; see earlier postings on the thread, which has been brought back into line by our distinguished moderator (who agreed with me on something today!).
Bringing this back in line with the thread, it appears from Palin's statement in the VP debate that she also supports legal remedies, but not marriage, to allow same-sex partners access to hospital rooms and other situations.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:50:37 PM
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ManimalX
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Sorry I misunderstood your position from the post I quoted. I just read through the rest of your posts and realize that we are saying the same thing :)
My apologies.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:57:14 PM
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I'll be she quits while she's ahead and doesn't give interviews to anyone. She'll be a talking head behind a podium until November.
Why should she? The last interviews were senseless in their questioning. Homosexuals, newspappers, legal decisions.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/4/2008 2:59:32 PM
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letusreason
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If I one day decide that I like hopping on one foot to get around rather than walk with two, I wouldn't expect special one-footed-hopping rules for the next marathon I want to enter.
No, but nobody would stop you from hopping, either. Your earlier statements are incorrect or inaccurate; see earlier postings on the thread, which has been brought back into line by our distinguished moderator (who agreed with me on something today!).
Bringing this back in line with the thread, it appears from Palin's statement in the VP debate that she also supports legal remedies, but not marriage, to allow same-sex partners access to hospital rooms and other situations.
"not marriage"? What's your definition of marriage?
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