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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/2/2008 11:25:53 PM
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Dubya
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One of the questions regarded "Global Warming".
Bidden's stance was that it is clearly caused by humans and then went on to talk about "clean coal" technology rather than oil.
My question, for all the knowledgeable Democrats out there, how does "clean coal" technology benefit the environment in terms of "global warming" over oil? In my understanding, there can be very little difference... if any. Both involve the combustion of carbon which results in CO2 - a so-called "green-house" gas. Can anyone help me here?
Forgive me for my scepticism, but I suspect Joe's great interest in coal is that he may have some heavy duty financial support from that industry. I don't know that for sure... but there is certainly no environmental reason to favor clean coal over oil (as far as I know).
Palen is in favor of clean coal technolgy as well as other alternative energy sources but denies that the climate change is man-made.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/2/2008 11:26:38 PM
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Biden was smoother and more rounded... He should given a better showing than Palin, who did more than hold her own... She was a tad bit *tight* at first but soon relaxed and looked as able as anyone...
I agree, in general. Neither candidate committed a serious goof (which I'm sure was a big relief to Palin and Biden's debate prep teams).
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Palen is in favor of clean coal technolgy as well as other alternative energy sources but denies that the climate change is man-made.
I feel that Biden scored a point when he claimed that not knowing what causes GW ties one's hands in deciding how to combat it.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/2/2008 11:27:15 PM
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I'm so proud of "our gal"! She did great!!!
Biden really needs to get rid of those forced smiles 
Those come about when you "heat the cook..."
Huh??? do I dare ask........lol???
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/2/2008 11:42:38 PM
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Palen is in favor of clean coal technolgy as well as other alternative energy sources but denies that the climate change is man-made
...actually, I think Palin allows that man be a contributor...but other natural forces are also at work:
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I'm not one to attribute every man -- activity of man to the changes in the climate. There is something to be said also for man's activities, but also for the cyclical temperature changes on our planet.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/2/2008 11:44:52 PM
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Dubya
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Palen is in favor of clean coal technolgy as well as other alternative energy sources but denies that the climate change is man-made
...actually, I think Palin allows that man be a contributor...but other natural forces are also at work:
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I'm not one to attribute every man -- activity of man to the changes in the climate. There is something to be said also for man's activities, but also for the cyclical temperature changes on our planet.
Ok. But that quote was not from tonight's debate.
So, back to my question... Why is clean coal technology better for the environment than oil?
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/2/2008 11:53:52 PM
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Ok. But that quote was not from tonight's debate.
Actually it was...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/index.html
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My question, for all the knowledgeable Democrats out there, how does "clean coal" technology benefit the environment in terms of "global warming" over oil?
....speaking as an Independent...I don't think it does benefit the environment. Nor does Palin oil-centric policies solve our long term energy problems (oh they McCain/Palin gives lip service to alternative energies...but where is McCain's voting record to back it up?).
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 12:00:34 AM
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Democrats...who won? "Biden, of course!."
Republicans, your turn...who won? "Sarah Palin, she's our gal!"
American news analysts, what are your thoughts? "Biden showed much more knowledge on issues, but Sarah Palin held her own...considering the extremely low expectations we have set on her with the interviews in the past few weeks."
Sarah Palin, how do you feel about that? "Gosh darn!" *wink*
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 12:01:45 AM
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Palin was charming and did better than expected in terms of preparation, and knowing a range of issues (her comments on Darfur were impressive). However, I think her comment about speaking to the people without the media filter was bogus; she's got to take responsibility for her own conduct.
I can't tell if you are uninformed or if you just dislike Palin and want to ignore the truth. The media filter has to do with the mainstream media editors cutting her words out so that what she said turns into a different meaning or gives the wrong impression.
Not sure if you want facts to back this up, but if you do, hear is an example:
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ABC News Edited Out Key Parts of Sarah Palin Interview
A transcript of the unedited interview of Sarah Palin by Charles Gibson clearly shows that ABC News edited out crucial portions of the interview that showed Palin as knowledgeable or presented her answers out of context. This unedited transcript of the first of the Gibson interviews with Palin is available on radio host Mark Levin's website.
Source LINK
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 12:02:49 AM
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Palin certainly improved over her terrible performance on her interviews. It will be interesting to see if her handlers let her do other interviews after this performance. My guess is, she will be making scripted speeches only. McCain is going to do everything he can to keep her from answering direct questions for the next month.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 12:03:21 AM
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Ok. But that quote was not from tonight's debate.
Actually it was...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/index.html
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My question, for all the knowledgeable Democrats out there, how does "clean coal" technology benefit the environment in terms of "global warming" over oil?
....speaking as an Independent...I don't think it does benefit the environment. Nor does Palin oil-centric policies solve our long term energy problems (oh they McCain/Palin gives lip service to alternative energies...but where is McCain's voting record to back it up?).
Perhaps McCain does not have much of a voting record of supporting alternative energy sources... But Bidden has a very long history of irrationally prohibiting domestic drilling ANYWHERE.
Like it or not, oil and natural gas are readily available and produce energy far cheaper than ANY other source. It makes sense to exploit what we have and what is cheap before emphasizing very expensive and limited alternatives. I'm not saying we shouldn't develop alternatives... but I think the prioirty is very clear.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 12:06:53 AM
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Palin certainly improved over her terrible performance on her interviews. It will be interesting to see if her handlers let her do other interviews after this performance. My guess is, she will be making scripted speeches only. McCain is going to do everything he can to keep her from answering direct questions for the next month.
The press has shown nothing but disdain for her. Just out of principle, I don't think she should talk to anyone but Hannity. Other than that, speeches are great because she has a good message to give.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 12:09:20 AM
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Palin certainly improved over her terrible performance on her interviews. It will be interesting to see if her handlers let her do other interviews after this performance. My guess is, she will be making scripted speeches only. McCain is going to do everything he can to keep her from answering direct questions for the next month.
I find it interesting that anyone thinks Palin's speeches are scripted. Obama can't speak without a teleprompter. Who writes his speeches? When he's had to speak without a teleprompter he doesn't sound nearly as intelligent as what he conveys in a speech. Then, when interviewed by the press, he gets softball lobbed at him. The media seem infatuated with him, as if the interviewer is speaking with a mega-star.
Sarah holds her own pretty well. It seems that the elites from major metropolitan areas cannot wrap their minds around the idea that anyone from someplace as remote as Alaska can be that intelligent.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 12:25:53 AM
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Bidden's stance was that it is clearly caused by humans and then went on to talk about "clean coal" technology rather than oil.
My question, for all the knowledgeable Democrats out there, how does "clean coal" technology benefit the environment in terms of "global warming" over oil? In my understanding, there can be very little difference... if any. Both involve the combustion of carbon which results in CO2 - a so-called "green-house" gas. Can anyone help me here?
I can help you here. Biden acknowledges that carbon dioxide contributes to Global Warming and offers other alternatives. But for now clean burning cold is a selection of the lesser of two evils.
Biden wasn't being contradictory, it is just some conservatives have selective hearing.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 12:31:14 AM
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Bidden's stance was that it is clearly caused by humans and then went on to talk about "clean coal" technology rather than oil.
My question, for all the knowledgeable Democrats out there, how does "clean coal" technology benefit the environment in terms of "global warming" over oil? In my understanding, there can be very little difference... if any. Both involve the combustion of carbon which results in CO2 - a so-called "green-house" gas. Can anyone help me here?
I can help you here. Biden acknowledges that carbon dioxide contributes to Global Warming and offers other alternatives. But for now clean burning cold is a selection of the lesser of two evils.
Biden wasn't being contradictory, it is just some conservatives have selective hearing.
FreddieD
I don't think I have selective hearing. My question was honest and genuine.
So, clean coal is the lesser of two evils... how so?
Also, I did not accuse Biden of being contradictory but irrational.
Consistently voting against ANY domestic drilling of any kind is irrational when he approves of coal mining for clean coal energy production.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 1:04:07 AM
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Ultimately, like most VP debates, I doubt tonight's will matter a lot either way.
It was entertaining, but within 48 hours we'll all be mentally moving onto the second Obama-McCain debate which will hold more weight (and rightfully so).
I'm not accusing you of this, but what you just said is clearly the latest talking point. "It doesn't really matter anyway. We're moving on, now." This was the overall theme coming from democrats on all networks in post debate lies manipulation spin analysis, and, although I don't recall his exact words now, it's the spirit of what David Axelrod said in the spin room immediately following the debate. The media is a great lithmus test, and they all zeroed in on that theme. All week long we've heard nothing but how incompetent she is. Now, all of the sudden, she doesn't matter.
She obviously did more damage, not just to Senator Biden, but to the Obama campaign as a whole than they anticipated. Middle America: +1, Faculty Lounge: 0.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 1:24:05 AM
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Palin did ok as far as style. I'm sure her base loves it. Biden didnt mess up. Polls are showing that Biden won.
She did'nt answer many questions. Her answer about gay rights was interesting. She agreed with the Dems on it , it seemed.
Reminded me of GWB in his debates.
A govenor, not real up on the issues, and likes to attack is what Americans like.
go girl
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 1:56:45 AM
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I find it interesting that anyone thinks Palin's speeches are scripted. Obama can't speak without a teleprompter. Who writes his speeches? When he's had to speak without a teleprompter he doesn't sound nearly as intelligent as what he conveys in a speech. Then, when interviewed by the press, he gets softball lobbed at him. The media seem infatuated with him, as if the interviewer is speaking with a mega-star.
Sarah holds her own pretty well. It seems that the elites from major metropolitan areas cannot wrap their minds around the idea that anyone from someplace as remote as Alaska can be that intelligent.
Palin does, in fact, use a speechwriter (not that there's anything wrong with that).
Fox News: So What if Sarah Palin Uses a Speech Writer: http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/bnewmark_0904/
I, personally, find it hard to wrap my mind around the fact that a person with a Journalism degree can't name a single newspaper when asked which one she reads. Not my particular brand of intelligence.
She did well tonight, though. I'm glad to see her hold her own. I am genuinely refreshed. Even though I don't care for her views, she still can be a good example for young women. She's a good mixture of perseverance and femininity (sans accent, lol). I loved that suit she was wearing, too.
But I still think Biden's performance was great. Seriously, I almost teared up right with him when he was talking about his family's tragedy.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 6:05:10 AM
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I thought the debate was a bit tiresome: Biden strayed off topic to repeat points he had already made; Palin strayed off topic (and dodged questions) so she could give a rehearsed answer.
What have we learnt? They both did a good job of practising for tonight. On the rebuttals, though, I thought Biden edged it - felt he brought his knowledge and experience to bear, and could therefore give eloquent off the cuff answers. Palin did a lot better than I expected, but everything she said that'll stack in her favour amounted to platitudes to please the American voters. She did those well, and spoke with more empathy for the common man than Biden. But I want an expert in the White House, not someone just like us.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 6:09:34 AM
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A govenor, not real up on the issues, and likes to attack is what Americans like.
go girl
Where did she attack what americans like? Or do you mean she attacks what you like and you assume that your views are those of all Americans?
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 7:04:30 AM
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Since I’m not a republican or democrat I can answer this question objectively. Before I do so, last week debate was a tie and I think the winner of last night did better than both of them. Anyway, there was no question who was the winner, it was Senator Joe Biden. If Governor Palin was running for re-election in the state Alaska, then she will win by a landslide because she knows what’s going on there. This is not Alaska though; this is the entire United States of America. A lot of her answers constantly referenced Alaska when it had nothing to do with the question and then actually refuse to answer several questions. Alaska is what she knows and Alaska is her zone of comfort when she could not answer those questions. As the questions shifted to foreign policy it was not even close. I’m not sure what debate people were watching, but I think this poll is definitely a clear indication of partisan bias since everyone here is mostly Republican. Now, the question must be asked if something should happen to Senator Obama or Senator McCain who would you feel comfortable stepping in as President? My answer would be Senator Biden. Let’s be real, we may not agree with the politics of Senator Biden or the politics of the democratic ticket period, but yesterday was a clear indication that Governor Palin is out of her league. I can honestly say that some of her answers sounded like she had been cramming for a test for the past 2 weeks. The only thing I liked about her in this debate is how she looked directly into the camera as she spoke. This was something Senator Biden did not do in the beginning, but he caught on to it later on.
What I did not like about this debate or the debate from last week is that none of candidates has really address the poor. The wealthy were addressed, the middle class was addressed, but what about the poor? What about the minimum wage workers making less than 20k a year, but have to support a family? What about the least of these?
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 7:07:54 AM
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Both delivered, but I do think Joe Biden was ultimately stronger. Sarah Palin isn't going to sway any independents or undecided voters onto her side, though. She did do much better than those two horrible interviews, but those who love her will still love her and root for her, but she won't convince any one else--which is what they need to win.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 8:03:17 AM
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What amaze me about yesterdays debate is Saraha Palin was trying to move as far as she can from republican party and President Bush’s administration. Seems like she hates Republican and their champion G. W. Bush more then anything , yet she wants republican support.
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 8:18:35 AM
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What amaze me about yesterdays debate is Saraha Palin was trying to move as far as she can from republican party and President Bush’s administration. Seems like she hates Republican and their champion G. W. Bush more then anything , yet she wants republican support.
Hate is a pretty strong term.
Can you give a specific quote that gave you that impression?
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RE: Vice President Debate - 10/3/2008 8:46:38 AM
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Palin did great! Just think she has only been in the race for 5 weeks.
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