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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 9:42:40 PM
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If you voted for someone who helped make or keep child rape legal, you're responsible.
Wrong.. Each person is responsbile for their own sin. dont put that on me. if you think that, then when a serial killer gets on tv and says "i killed 32 young boys because society did this to me - i had a rough childhood"
How so? If one knowingly supports an evil agenda how do they escape the consequences? If one sends money to some white supremacy group they can claim they don't support racism, no... Your logic would have a person who pays an assassin not be guilty of complicity regarding murder because they didn't pull the trigger... King David didn't murder Uriah with is own hand, but was said to be guilty of murder.
The fact that Charles Manson was held responsible for his part in murders didn't remove guilt for those who committed the actual acts. Both were guilty for the part in the matter...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 10:43:01 PM
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If you vote for an abortionist, you are an abortionist by proxy.
ok lets compare your statement with other things.
If you shop at Walgreens where they sell alcohol and condoms, then you are contributing to alcoholism and fornication by proxy since you are giving them your money even if your just buying candy.
Both alcohol and condoms have legitimate uses. There is (almost) never a legitimate reason for butchering a baby in the womb
Is shopping at Walgreens going to increase the incidence of alcoholism or fornication? I don't see a lot of Walgreen ads pushing either alcohol or sex so I'd say no. Is voting for obama going to increase (or at best not decrease) abortion in this country. Yes. obama is an abortionist he will fight to keep people aborting their babies.
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If you are a patient at a hospital where they do abortions, you are committing abortion by proxy since you are supporting that hospital by your being a patient.
There are two hospitals in my town. Neither one performs abortions. The community would go berzerk on them if they even tried.
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This week, a girl named Marcie in Iowa had an abortion. You are responsbile for her having the abortion since you were not out there in Iowa telling her to keep her legs together and teaching her abstinence.. so now this Marcie that you had no clue that she was even a human on the planet now you are responsible for her sin and her choice, since you did nothing to prevent this Marcie in Iowa from having an abortion.
I financially support National Right to Life which lobbies on the federal and local levels to stop teh slaughter. It's teh best I can do for Iowa.
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Dont think that if you just press the election button for mccain, that your absolved from anything. Did you personally do something today to stop abortion? how about this week? did you do anyting this month to personally get involved (protesting, teaching girls about abstinence, etc.) If you did not, then you are responsible by proxy for all those having abortions.
I'm involved in my local right to life organization, I financially support the local crisis pregnancy center and the crisis pregnancy center in the neighboring city
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I got a better solution. whether obama or mccain gets elected. I dont care how many laws say that you can abort legally. The answer is to stop it where it begins - dont get pregnant. Tell your daughters to close thier legs. Go preach to a high school and tell them about abstinence. that way no matter how many laws are on the books, the need for abortion will stop. and if your worried about laws passing that say live birth abortions are ok, no matter, because you will have stopped the girl from needing to even have one.
Abstinence is always teh best answer, But since abortion makes it so easy to get rid of the baby if people fornicate few people are really abstinate. Have a problem, get it fixed, no big deal. There is no social stigma to prevent a girl or guy from being a slut. Abortion results in greater promiscuity, not less.
Abortion is the sacrament of feminism and they (and their democrat allies) will do anything to keep the blood flowing.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 10:45:20 PM
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everyone should be doing sometihng more than just voting for a candidate to stop the cause of their choice.. by actively doing something about it. In fact, those that are screaming for mccain coz he is "pro-life" are even more responsible than me because youre the ones who's issue it is.. its not my issue. I have other issues that are important to me.
For example - if Obama was found to be secretly anti-american that would change my vote.
If Obama were found to be secretly collaborating with that group that caused the 911 bombings of the WTC, then I would not vote for him.
if Obama were found out to be something that I dont approve of, then I would not vote for him.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 10:51:36 PM
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everyone should be doing sometihng more than just voting for a candidate to stop the cause of their choice.. by actively doing something about it. In fact, those that are screaming for mccain coz he is "pro-life" are even more responsible than me because youre the ones who's issue it is.. its not my issue. I have other issues that are important to me.
Abortion is murder, that is clearly against God's law... Whatever importance one attaches to the issue doesn't change that clear fact....
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For example - if Obama was found to be secretly anti-american that would change my vote.
If Obama were found to be secretly collaborating with that group that caused the 911 bombings of the WTC, then I would not vote for him.
if Obama were found out to be something that I dont approve of, then I would not vote for him.
Yet Mr. Obama clearly does things that are clearly against God's word and its ok?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 10:57:02 PM
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If Obama were found to be secretly collaborating with that group that caused the 911 bombings of the WTC, then I would not vote for him.
Well those Loose Change kids "proved" that the Bush administration was behind it. So you don't need to worry about that, Obama has not been collaborating with Bush.
please note that I was only being sarcastic. I don't think the government was responsible for 9-11
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 10:58:16 PM
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For example - if Obama was found to be secretly anti-american that would change my vote.
Will felony violation of the Logan Act do?
Illegally and deliberately undermining the negotiating position of your country for personal political gain (and thereby playing games with the lives of US soldiers) seems pretty anti-American to me.
(Note: his campaign, in attempting to debunk this story, effectively confirmed it.)
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 11:14:38 PM
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Here we have another slippery slope. If we vote to outlaw abortion, then some quack sets up shop to perform illegal abortions. Most will probably not have any medical experience at all and will not sterlize their instrumentation. Those seeking abortions will die right along with the fetus they try to terminate. Who then will bear the guilt of those lost lives?
Another scenario. Those who would have otherwise had an abortion keep thier babies. Most probably would be in high school. Their parents may kick them out of the house, they end up on welfare and stay on welfare because they get more money from welfare than getting a full time job. These kids usually live in poverty and are abused. Their parents usually end up drug addicts. Who would be responsible for these women?
One more scenario. A woman or teen gets raped. They're severely tramutized physically, mentally and emotionally. Most just want to curl up and die. We would have them carry a child that would be a constant reminder of the incident for nine months. Most women never get over the trauma of being raped. The trauma to force them to carry this child would probably lead them into a Major Depression and could lead to suicide attempts. Who would be responsible for this?
I could go on and on. It is really easy for those of us who have never been in any of these situations to tell others how they should handle it. If you factor in that the majority of the woman in these situations are not Christian where does that leave them?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 11:46:53 PM
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out 50 million and counting the stated reasons have to be in the extreme minority most are convienient. the first scenario has no bearing because you cant make allowance for people breaking the law (especially Gods law) the others are very important and you would be amazed how many people reading I am sure know a lot more than you think about these issues many have found much better solutions than murder for both mother and baby.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 12:12:37 AM
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Here we have another slippery slope. If we vote to outlaw abortion, then some quack sets up shop to perform illegal abortions. Most will probably not have any medical experience at all and will not sterlize their instrumentation. Those seeking abortions will die right along with the fetus they try to terminate. Who then will bear the guilt of those lost lives?
Those who seek to harm themselves and the unborn child and of course the quack...
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Another scenario. Those who would have otherwise had an abortion keep thier babies. Most probably would be in high school. Their parents may kick them out of the house, they end up on welfare and stay on welfare because they get more money from welfare than getting a full time job. These kids usually live in poverty and are abused. Their parents usually end up drug addicts. Who would be responsible for these women?
Parents and themselves to some degree...
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One more scenario. A woman or teen gets raped. They're severely tramutized physically, mentally and emotionally. Most just want to curl up and die. We would have them carry a child that would be a constant reminder of the incident for nine months. Most women never get over the trauma of being raped. The trauma to force them to carry this child would probably lead them into a Major Depression and could lead to suicide attempts. Who would be responsible for this?
The rapist...
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I could go on and on.
Please do since you haven't touch the main reason for abortion....
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It is really easy for those of us who have never been in any of these situations to tell others how they should handle it. If you factor in that the majority of the woman in these situations are not Christian where does that leave them?
Whatever the situation may be there is never cause to do what is wrong...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 1:13:26 AM
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You blame the person getting the abortion, the rapist, the parents and even put guilt on an "unborn" child. Please tell what the main reason for abortion is, because you speak as though you know the answer. If anyone's to blame it's society, yes even including Christians. Children are urged to grow up faster, be pretty/handsome, be thin not fat, dress seductively, dress grown-up etc. Sex education is being banned in schools at the deterimental time when teens need to learn about their bodies and it urges and yes, learn about safe sex. It's Society as a whole we should be going against. If you're a Christian and you truly want to hold to the doctrines of the bible, you wouldn't vote for any of the candidates. None of them are suitable.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 6:47:41 AM
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I do not have the right to choose to murder my neighbor
I do not have the right to choose to steal my groceries
I do not have the right to choose to not pay my income taxes
I do not have the right to choose slander another individual
I do not have the right to choose to take residence in a house I have not paid for
I do not have the right to choose to go 120 mph in a 55 mph zone
I do not have the right to choose to drive drunk
We all have these same rights if we choose to act on them. You and I can choose to do the above. It doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it a wise choice. However, we can still choose to do them, knowing full well there will be consequences of our actions.
Same thing goes for abortion or any other heinous act.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 7:02:50 AM
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. If you're a Christian and you truly want to hold to the doctrines of the bible, you wouldn't vote for any of the candidates. None of them are suitable.
Agreed 100%.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 7:48:50 AM
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You blame the person getting the abortion, the rapist, the parents and even put guilt on an "unborn" child. Please tell what the main reason for abortion is, because you speak as though you know the answer. If anyone's to blame it's society, yes even including Christians. Children are urged to grow up faster, be pretty/handsome, be thin not fat, dress seductively, dress grown-up etc. Sex education is being banned in schools at the deterimental time when teens need to learn about their bodies and it urges and yes, learn about safe sex. It's Society as a whole we should be going against. If you're a Christian and you truly want to hold to the doctrines of the bible, you wouldn't vote for any of the candidates. None of them are suitable.
well thats what Im talking about - stop the need for abortions and then you will have stopped abortion even if it is legal. Stop it rigtht in the begining - TELL YOUR KIDS TO STOP GETTING PREGNANT!!! Tell other kids to stop having sex. Stop all the madness!
well that would cover a percentage of some pregnancies. I cant do everything! but some.
JUST STOP HAVING SEX !! Ironically Gov Palin's daughter is a bad example of a teen pregnancy.. she being an example to us, is a poor example. What Gov Palin's daughter is saying to the world is "hey its ok, you can get pregnant as a teen, you can have a kid, all the Christians will absolve your act of fornication .. hehehe... nice girl, you didn't have an abortion, but oh wait a minute, daughter, you have a rich family that can afford nannies to take care of your baby, but the average girl out there will just watch you and say "hey if the vp daughter can have a baby at 17, I can too hehehe.
Bad example people! Palin's daughter is now the poster child for teen pregnancies.
And THIS is your savior for a good family example of christianity?????????????????????????? Governor Palin's daugher - a 17 year old fornicator????????????????? i think not!
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 7:53:09 AM
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Not getting pregnant is pretty easy if you have half a brain. It's worked for me for over twenty years.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 7:55:00 AM
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Not getting pregnant is pretty easy if you have half a brain. It's worked for me for over twenty years.
yes and i had my two kids even though abortion was legal. And I was not even a christian. Thats my contribution to the anti-abortion - I had my kids.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 7:58:22 AM
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One more scenario. A woman or teen gets raped. They're severely tramutized physically, mentally and emotionally. Most just want to curl up and die. We would have them carry a child that would be a constant reminder of the incident for nine months. Most women never get over the trauma of being raped. The trauma to force them to carry this child would probably lead them into a Major Depression and could lead to suicide attempts. Who would be responsible for this?
The rapist...
So your saying that if my now soon to be 11 year old daughter, when she is 12 or 13 happens to be walking home from the park or a friend's house and gets raped and pregnant and we never find out who did it that the rapist is going to take responsibility for all of her physical, emotional, and psychological trauma AND take care of the resulting child. Well it's wishful thinking and I guess in the end, in God, it's his responsibility - but at that moment it would not be the rapist responsibility it would be MINE as my daughter's parent and my daughter's as SHE would be the one facing ridicule and outright condemnation from those around her when NONE of the entire situation was her fault to begin with. The rapist - even if caught, isn't likely going to take on the responsibility and will likely deny they even did the deed in the first place. I don't think it's going to be of any great comfort to a pregnant teen to tell them when they are in the midst of growing up and dealing with the fact that they are now pregnant with their rapist child, that God will make sure the rapist get's their just punishment in the end and that they should be the ones to bear the responsibility for someone elses cruelity.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 7:59:41 AM
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As I've said, I have no opinion about abortion. I just don't care one way or another. Just from a practical point of view though, I'd think it's easier to not get pregnant than to get an abortion. I've certainly found that to be the case myself.
That being said, nearly every woman I know has had at least one abortion. And I know a lot of women. Women I know socially, women in my family, women I serve on committees and boards with, women at the gym, women I meet traveling. Maybe it's where I live (NYC) but it just doesn't seem like that big a deal to most of the people I've heard talk about it.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 8:23:09 AM
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So your saying that if my now soon to be 11 year old daughter, when she is 12 or 13 happens to be walking home from the park or a friend's house and gets raped and pregnant and we never find out who did it that the rapist is going to take responsibility for all of her physical, emotional, and psychological trauma AND take care of the resulting child. Well it's wishful thinking and I guess in the end, in God, it's his responsibility - but at that moment it would not be the rapist responsibility it would be MINE as my daughter's parent and my daughter's as SHE would be the one facing ridicule and outright condemnation from those around her when NONE of the entire situation was her fault to begin with. The rapist - even if caught, isn't likely going to take on the responsibility and will likely deny they even did the deed in the first place. I don't think it's going to be of any great comfort to a pregnant teen to tell them when they are in the midst of growing up and dealing with the fact that they are now pregnant with their rapist child, that God will make sure the rapist get's their just punishment in the end and that they should be the ones to bear the responsibility for someone elses cruelty.
Blessings,
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Adaption may be the best alternative here. Many people are on waiting lists for years before a baby is available to adapt. This is a very tough situation ... I had a girl in my bible study that went through it. She chose to keep her baby and never regretted it. The choices and ramifications for each choice are very difficult.
First, choice, get rid of anything that may remind her of the incident. But the reality of this choice is that she would live for the rest of her life not only remembering the rape, but carrying the burden of ending the life of an innocent child trying to forget ... only to remember .... especially every year when the anniversary of the day that child would have been born.
Choice two, keep the baby ... lots of growing up to soon ... but as you trust the Fathers heart, as my friend did, so many unexpected blessings as a result of this choice. The memory of the rape will not go away ... but you will have the opportunity to see how God makes something good out of what man meant for evil. (Genesis 50.)
Choice three, give the baby up for adaption ... will still carry the memory of the rape, but the burden of raising a child at such a young age will no longer be there ... and on the anniversary of the child's birth, there is not the additional burden of knowing your decision resulted in the death of a child. When you have an abortion because of rape, you carry with you for the rest of your life not only the memory of the heinous act of the rape, but the burden of knowing your decision resulted in another heinous act in the death of a child, your child results in carrying the memory of two heinous acts, not just one.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 8:37:13 AM
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I do not have the right to choose to murder my neighbor
I do not have the right to choose to steal my groceries
I do not have the right to choose to not pay my income taxes
I do not have the right to choose slander another individual
I do not have the right to choose to take residence in a house I have not paid for
I do not have the right to choose to go 120 mph in a 55 mph zone
I do not have the right to choose to drive drunk
We all have these same rights if we choose to act on them. You and I can choose to do the above. It doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it a wise choice. However, we can still choose to do them, knowing full well there will be consequences of our actions.
Same thing goes for abortion or any other heinous act.
Your reasoning is incredibly illogical. We do not have the right to choose to murder a person here in the United States in the same way women do not have the right to work or go out of the house without a male escort in some Muslim Countries. To "choose" to do so in both cases can result in death to the person who breaks the law. When you break a law, the government makes sure you are punished. The laws are there for our protection ... In Nigeria the government does not step in to punish a murderer and the people living there feel unsafe. (I was talking to a store owner from Nigeria and he stated the thing he appreciated about America was our legal system because murderers are punished here ... he felt much safer here than in his homeland for that reason.)
An unborn child has a right to that same type of protection. No one should have the right to choose to take another's life ... born or unborn. We do not have the right to choose to take a life that has been born here in the USA ... we should not have the right to choose to end the life of an unborn child either.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 8:49:20 AM
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So your saying that if my now soon to be 11 year old daughter, when she is 12 or 13 happens to be walking home from the park or a friend's house and gets raped and pregnant and we never find out who did it that the rapist is going to take responsibility for all of her physical, emotional, and psychological trauma AND take care of the resulting child. Well it's wishful thinking and I guess in the end, in God, it's his responsibility - but at that moment it would not be the rapist responsibility it would be MINE as my daughter's parent and my daughter's as SHE would be the one facing ridicule and outright condemnation from those around her when NONE of the entire situation was her fault to begin with. The rapist - even if caught, isn't likely going to take on the responsibility and will likely deny they even did the deed in the first place. I don't think it's going to be of any great comfort to a pregnant teen to tell them when they are in the midst of growing up and dealing with the fact that they are now pregnant with their rapist child, that God will make sure the rapist get's their just punishment in the end and that they should be the ones to bear the responsibility for someone elses cruelty.
Blessings,
Garsy
Adaption may be the best alternative here. Many people are on waiting lists for years before a baby is available to adapt. This is a very tough situation ... I had a girl in my bible study that went through it. She chose to keep her baby and never regretted it. The choices and ramifications for each choice are very difficult.
First, choice, get rid of anything that may remind her of the incident. But the reality of this choice is that she would live for the rest of her life not only remembering the rape, but carrying the burden of ending the life of an innocent child trying to forget ... only to remember .... especially every year when the anniversary of the day that child would have been born.
Choice two, keep the baby ... lots of growing up to soon ... but as you trust the Fathers heart, as my friend did, so many unexpected blessings as a result of this choice. The memory of the rape will not go away ... but you will have the opportunity to see how God makes something good out of what man meant for evil. (Genesis 50.)
Choice three, give the baby up for adaption ... will still carry the memory of the rape, but the burden of raising a child at such a young age will no longer be there ... and on the anniversary of the child's birth, there is not the additional burden of knowing your decision resulted in the death of a child. When you have an abortion because of rape, you carry with you for the rest of your life not only the memory of the heinous act of the rape, but the burden of knowing your decision resulted in another heinous act in the death of a child, your child results in carrying the memory of two heinous acts, not just one.
Adoption is likely the best alternative here - But to say that it's the rapist responsibility in a situation where a CHILD is raped and becomes pregnant with another CHILD, that is wrong. I have NEVER seen nor heard of a rapist taking responsibility for a child they have fathered - It's always the victim that ends up shouldering ALL the responsibility, including the ridicule of others - including Christians, including growing up way to fast, including the emotional and physical trauma, including the LONG term depression and the constant reminder that somewhere out there is the person that hurt her and the child that resulted.
No the only responsibility that the rapist is going to take on is the possible responsibility of doing whatever is required of him by the courts - if they even do that. And that will not hold a CANDLE to the responsibility they put on the child they raped. Not even close.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 8:49:52 AM
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Psalms274
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Not getting pregnant is pretty easy if you have half a brain. It's worked for me for over twenty years.
yes and i had my two kids even though abortion was legal. And I was not even a christian. Thats my contribution to the anti-abortion - I had my kids.
I have read this statement written by you on more than one occasion ... hopefully you are only joking when you say it, but if it is a serious statement, allowing your own children to live is not a contribution to a movement ... it's an expectation. That is like saying, "Look, I didn't throw my wrapper on the street, I have contributed to cleaning up the environment." No ... this person simply didn't add to the mess by cleaning up after them self. To contribute would mean to go a help clean up a mess someone else made. There's a difference.
It sounds like you are going through a tough time right now. I pray you get through it soon.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 8:54:59 AM
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Psalms274
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But to say that it's the rapist responsibility in a situation where a CHILD is raped and becomes pregnant with another CHILD, that is wrong.
I never said the rapist would take responsibility for their actions ... hopefully they will be caught and severely punished. I do not believe such a man deserves to see freedom ever again. The financial burden goes away with adaption ... even medical appointments are paid for by the one adopting the child. I was just offering another choice in the situation you were speaking about in your post.
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I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ.
< Linus w/ a friends baby!
http://piswa.blogspot.com/
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 8:55:36 AM
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For example - if Obama was found to be secretly anti-american that would change my vote.
If Obama were found to be secretly collaborating with that group that caused the 911 bombings of the WTC, then I would not vote for him.
if Obama were found out to be something that I dont approve of, then I would not vote for him.
You need to read more. Obama is not secretive about his anti-American leanings. look at his church, his wife and their statements. People don't surround themselves with ideas like that unles sthey agree with them.
Obama was going to meet with the whack job who runs Iran (he admits it on video) who is a terrorist (Iran is a terrorist sponsoring nation)
So you approve of abortion?
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Psalms 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 8:57:38 AM
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But to say that it's the rapist responsibility in a situation where a CHILD is raped and becomes pregnant with another CHILD, that is wrong.
I never said the rapist would take responsibility for their actions ... hopefully they will be caught and severely punished. I do not believe such a man deserves to see freedom ever again. The financial burden goes away with adaption ... even medical appointments are paid for by the one adopting the child. I was just offering another choice in the situation you were speaking about in your post.
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