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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 6:39:59 PM
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I am trying to understand what the issue is, it seems clear that as a christian we have a choice vote for the candidate that upholds Godly principal or vote for one who will undermine it? if you go to wallbuilders.com you will find a list of 14 issues that SHOULD matter to a believer 11 of them are not associated to abortion. obama fails every issue so I am truly trying to understand how can so many believers in Jesus contemplate voting for him? please dont make a feeble excuse about how they all have faults which is obvious but look at the overall picture, what biblical position or positions does obama hold that Mcain and Palin do not? not a list of I think it says in the bible but truly biblical principles?
14 issues that should matter to a believer according to whom? Who sat down and came up with those 14 issues? Did every Christian around the world have a say? Or did a few evangelicals in some back room come up with it? I'm kind of upset I wasn't included in the planning committee. 
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 6:42:32 PM
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Has anyone spoken of simply voting for McCain as the only thing needed to be done in order to stop abortion? Who spoke of being justified by simply pushing the button?
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I'd say that if we are not doing something EVERYDAY we are part of the problem and not the solution.
I say you really have nothing to support that view... I believe the statement is more to rationalize not doing something, than a call to do something...
yes that is exactly it. because if your contribution to stopping abortion is pressing the election button for mccain, (thereby causing him to be the one who can possibly work to change the laws as Im assuming this is what ya'll are hoping for), then thats pretty lame if thats all your gonna do about stopping abortions. if im going to be accounted with the sin of voting otherwise, then that automatically puts me as responsible for all the abortions that will be committed as the result of that choice.
Hey like i said there earlier today, the way to stop abortion is to prevent a pregnancy before it happens. then no need for abortion, and voila this can be done with whomever goes to office.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 6:44:33 PM
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Most of the Christians I know are pro-choice. And from the statistics I've seen, conducted by religious organizations, evangelicals have abortions at the same or higher rates than the general population.
Given that the bar is so low on what consitutes a Christian I wouldn't be surprised...
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Abortion is obviously not a deal breaker for W, or Newt, or any of the other heroes of the RINO Republicans, or it still wouldn't be around.
The above has nothing to do with the fact that abortion(murder) isn't compatible with a walk with Christ...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 6:45:38 PM
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ok lets compare your statement with other things.
If you shop at Walgreens where they sell alcohol and condoms, then you are contributing to alcoholism and fornication by proxy since you are giving them your money even if your just buying candy.
If you are a patient at a hospital where they do abortions, you are committing abortion by proxy since you are supporting that hospital by your being a patient.
This week, a girl named Marcie in Iowa had an abortion. You are responsbile for her having the abortion since you were not out there in Iowa telling her to keep her legs together and teaching her abstinence.. so now this Marcie that you had no clue that she was even a human on the planet now you are responsible for her sin and her choice, since you did nothing to prevent this Marcie in Iowa from having an abortion.
You have some better comparisons? The above is like saying breathing causes cancer since everyone breathes...
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Dont think that if you just press the election button for mccain, that your absolved from anything.
Who thinks this? Really... What is this from?
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I got a better solution. whether obama or mccain gets elected. I dont care how many laws say that you can abort legally. The answer is to stop it where it begins - dont get pregnant. Tell your daughters to close thier legs. Go preach to a high school and tell them about abstinence. that way no matter how many laws are on the books, the need for abortion will stop. and if your worried about laws passing that say live birth abortions are ok, no matter, because you will have stopped the girl from needing to even have one.
Great what about the majority of abortions?
You'd be able to stop a lot of abortions by prevention. The lame excuses and the ignorance boys and girls have when they make the choice to get pregnant is pretty bad. therefore many abortions could be eliminated if we were pro-active about it, and educated them about abstinence and that its a sin and whatever. you wont stop the rape cases but you will be abel to possibley stop the casual sex ones.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 6:56:05 PM
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Hey a pedophile is committing the sin HIMSELF or HERSELF. That person is directly committing the sin, and that person is responsible for HIS or HER own sins.
Those who seek and those who provide abortions are guilty, so how those who support the agenda not as well? The bible says that which is not done in faith is a sin... How does one knowingly support murder and believe they can escape the consequences? Things is... If Christians on this forum spoke of supporting pedophiles people would be disgusted, but it's ok to support those who murder unborn children... Hypocrisy...
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God is sovereign and I believe He will put into office who he wants by sending in the voters that will pick the candidate of God's choice. And they will press the button that God wants.
God's actions don't absolve man actions... The fact that God uses evil for good doesn't grant man relief if his action are sinful...
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sinners are sinners and they are doing what sinners do - including doing abortions. Even so, I'm not the one who is doing the abortion either. The girl and the guy who caused the pregnancy IS THE ONE responsible for the abortion since they are the ones who caused the pregnancy. Maybe you should blame the mother and father of the two that got pregnant, hey I was not there when she opened her legs to get pregnant. dont blame me. hey i was over here working and paying my taxes like a good American should.
Aren't you one posting about if you are not doing something about it everyday you are part of the problem?
As well, what does one support for abortion have to do with those committing the act?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 6:58:09 PM
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Man is responsible for his own sins. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. I think some of you may be a bit brainwashed into thinking that a vote somehow affects a person's destiny and even their salvation. This guilt by 30 degrees of association is not biblical at all. And some people seem to throw this theory around like it's standard doctrine. If McCain became president, I guarantee you abortions will continue. Bush had 8 years to do something about it. I voted for him twice. What makes people think McCain can do any better? Also, there is more in the world to worry about than just abortions. Besides, there are abortions occurring all over the world. Will you feel justified but outlawing them here only when they occur all over the world? We should be praying for those people who are in those situations to make the right choice. Instead of fighting abortions, how about fighting pornography which enhances male sex drives? What about having teen abstinence group? God forbid sex education? There have been attempts to introduce contraceptives to sexually active teens, but people say that promotes sex. Well, gee, if they are going to have sex anyway, wouldn't it be better for them NOT to get pregnant, therefore avoiding the abortion issue? Teens are going to continue to have sex. They are going to continue to get pregnant. We should be focusing on heading them off at the pass instead of the end result of bad decisions we could've prevented in the first place. Education goes much farther than the removal of rights. That goes the same for guns and alcohol. If there can me a M.A.D.D. (Mothers against Drunk Driving), why can't there be a C.A.U.S. (Christians Against Unsafe Sex)?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 7:01:24 PM
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Aren't you one posting about if you are not doing something about it everyday you are part of the problem?
yes I did say that if one is not part of the solution they are part of the problem. and that goes both ways - me and you both - like im being imputed the sins of all who have an abortion by my voting for Obama (if i do),, it is the same shoe on your foot if you do nothing about abortion by not doing anything personally involved in it.
By the way, my earlier question, what have you done today to stop abortions? this week? this month?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 7:11:44 PM
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yes that is exactly it. because if your contribution to stopping abortion is pressing the election button for mccain, (thereby causing him to be the one who can possibly work to change the laws as Im assuming this is what ya'll are hoping for), then thats pretty lame if thats all your gonna do about stopping abortions.
Again... Who is saying(other than you self) that simply voting for McCain is all that is needed? You keep repeating this concept but I haven't seen anyone here saying that is only thing to do. I know I haven't said simply voting for McCain is the answer so on what ground are you standing to assume such a thing?
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Hey like i said there earlier today, the way to stop abortion is to prevent a pregnancy before it happens. then no need for abortion, and voila this can be done with whomever goes to office.
Given the views on sexual relations by some who run for office I have to ask how you draw such a conclusion... I understand the government cannot outlaw sex but you'd think it could outlaw the murder of the unborn... Start treating those who murder inside like those outside the womb and you'll see things change... Not to mention that would remove the hypocrisy of allowing some to murder while prosecuting others...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 7:19:02 PM
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You'd be able to stop a lot of abortions by prevention.
Prevention is readily available...
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The lame excuses and the ignorance boys and girls have when they make the choice to get pregnant is pretty bad.
therefore many abortions could be eliminated if we were pro-active about it, and educated them about abstinence and that its a sin and whatever. you wont stop the rape cases but you will be abel to possibley stop the casual sex ones.
Why are they going to stop when the option to abort is avail and has the stamp of approval of those in authority? How do you tell them casual sex is a sin while saying the murder of the unborn is ok? Of course boys and girls are not the reason for most abortions...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 7:36:59 PM
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but to my original post, we christians can be extremely irritating even to each other. Please dont ever stomp so hard for a cause that it causes someone to despair as bad as I felt the other day.
So when the pedophiles start talking about their walk with Christ Christians should just forget the fact they rape kids(which arguably isn't as bad as killing them...)and speak of the positive aspects of their lives?
Do you believe a church has a right to remove a person who doesn't repent of a sin from the church?
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Anyone who bleieves in God's providence and God's sovereignty ought to know that if I go into the voting booth, and press the button, it will be who God wishes me to , coz he is stronger than my finger.
So God causes people to pull the trigger? It's his hand that moves the abortion provider?
Hey a pedophile is committing the sin HIMSELF or HERSELF. That person is directly committing the sin, and that person is responsible for HIS or HER own sins. (Pedos can be male or female). I have not committed an abortion, therefore I am not equitable with a pedophile.
God is sovereign and I believe He will put into office who he wants by sending in the voters that will pick the candidate of God's choice. And they will press the button that God wants.
sinners are sinners and they are doing what sinners do - including doing abortions. Even so, I'm not the one who is doing the abortion either. The girl and the guy who caused the pregnancy IS THE ONE responsible for the abortion since they are the ones who caused the pregnancy. Maybe you should blame the mother and father of the two that got pregnant, hey I was not there when she opened her legs to get pregnant. dont blame me. hey i was over here working and paying my taxes like a good American should.
If you voted for someone who helped make or keep child rape legal, you're responsible.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 7:40:06 PM
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Man is responsible for his own sins. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. I think some of you may be a bit brainwashed into thinking that a vote somehow affects a person's destiny and even their salvation. This guilt by 30 degrees of association is not biblical at all.And some people seem to throw this theory around like it's standard doctrine.
Supporting the murder of the unborn isn't guilt by 30 degrees of association... Since you brought up the bible how about some scripture to support the idea one can support the murder of the unborn and escape God's law..
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If McCain became president, I guarantee you abortions will continue. Bush had 8 years to do something about it. I voted for him twice. What makes people think McCain can do any better?
The failure of the above is reason to vote for those who without a doubt support the agenda... What about the concept of doing what is right?
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Also, there is more in the world to worry about than just abortions. Besides, there are abortions occurring all over the world. Will you feel justified but outlawing them here only when they occur all over the world?
I wasn't aware that because sinful things happen allover it's not a good thing to stop it where you can... I must ask for scripture support for that...
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We should be praying for those people who are in those situations to make the right choice. Instead of fighting abortions, how about fighting pornography which enhances male sex drives?
We have to throw up the white flag on abortion so we can fight pornography?
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What about having teen abstinence group? God forbid sex education? There have been attempts to introduce contraceptives to sexually active teens, but people say that promotes sex. Well, gee, if they are going to have sex anyway, wouldn't it be better for them NOT to get pregnant, therefore avoiding the abortion issue?
Great, so what about the majority of abortions?
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Teens are going to continue to have sex. They are going to continue to get pregnant. We should be focusing on heading them off at the pass instead of the end result of bad decisions we could've prevented in the first place. Education goes much farther than the removal of rights.
How about not calling murder a right? It would go along way to educate folks on the truth if people didn't call murder a right...
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That goes the same for guns and alcohol. If there can me a M.A.D.D. (Mothers against Drunk Driving), why can't there be a C.A.U.S. (Christians Against Unsafe Sex)?
Why bother when you have C.F.T.M.O.T.U... That would be Christians for the murder of the unborn...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 7:52:12 PM
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Obama doesn't support abortion per say, He supports the right to choose. The same right that every American has, the same freedom every American has. If we take away the right to choose, we then CHOOSE to give up our freedom.
He supports the constitution which is supposed to guarantee our freedom to choose.
Remember, we fight wars for our right to choose, our right to vote and our right to live the American way. One's personal opinion or religious belief should not and is not supposed to affect our constitutional rights.
So saying that if we support Obama we support abortion is incorrect. I support our right to choose and our right to keep our freedom.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 7:53:44 PM
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yes I did say that if one is not part of the solution they are part of the problem. and that goes both ways - me and you both - like im being imputed the sins of all who have an abortion by my voting for Obama (if i do),, it is the same shoe on your foot if you do nothing about abortion by not doing anything personally involved in it.
The issue is knowingly supporting murder... Lending support to murder isn't simply having another person's sin imputed...
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By the way, my earlier question, what have you done today to stop abortions? this week? this month?
I pray daily for God to end the slaughter. I pray folks won't kill unborn children. I have offered a home to children to avoid abortion. Sadly it seems daily I attempt to sway folks in the body of Christ not to support abortion. I given generously to places that offer alternatives to avoid abortion. I actively argue against folks like Obama and his ilk who have no regard for the unborn.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 8:00:37 PM
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Obama doesn't support abortion per say, He supports the right to choose.
The same right that every American has, the same freedom every American has. If we take away the right to choose, we then CHOOSE to give up our freedom.
He supports the constitution which is supposed to guarantee our freedom to choose.
Remember, we fight wars for our right to choose, our right to vote and our right to live the American way. One's personal opinion or religious belief should not and is not supposed to affect our constitutional rights.
So saying that if we support Obama we support abortion is incorrect. I support our right to choose and our right to keep our freedom.
Great secular argument... Though one could say that abortion arguably denies the liberty of 3500 unborn Americans not everyone has the right to choose...
As for God and His word...
I doubt Mr Obama will have much luck telling Christ on judgment day that he was championing freedom while sanctioning the murder of the unborn.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 8:05:15 PM
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If we take away the right to choose, we then CHOOSE to give up our freedom.
I do not have the right to choose to murder my neighbor
I do not have the right to choose to steal my groceries
I do not have the right to choose to not pay my income taxes
I do not have the right to choose slander another individual
I do not have the right to choose to take residence in a house I have not paid for
I do not have the right to choose to go 120 mph in a 55 mph zone
I do not have the right to choose to drive drunk
... and I am grateful that I do not have these rights ... nor do you ... these things keep us safe. By the same token no one should have the right to choose to kill an unborn child. They deserve to feel safe just as I do.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 8:08:26 PM
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14 issues that should matter to a believer according to whom? Who sat down and came up with those 14 issues? Did every Christian around the world have a say? Or did a few evangelicals in some back room come up with it? I'm kind of upset I wasn't included in the planning committee.
ok some are from a conservative view others are plainly a biblical view that Mcain/Palin take a biblical stand for and obama/biden do not. so can you point out some areas that are the opposite and not just opinion but Mcain/Palin vote against what is a biblical principal and obama/biden stand for a biblical principal? it is an honest question, I truly havent ever heard of it happening but would like to know if it does because it would help me understand how christians can vote for a party that always as far as I am seing support non-christian/biblical (and the 2 have to be together) views everytime. as a party that is. I have heard of conservative dem individuals but never knew one personally
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 8:52:01 PM
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yes that is exactly it. because if your contribution to stopping abortion is pressing the election button for mccain, (thereby causing him to be the one who can possibly work to change the laws as Im assuming this is what ya'll are hoping for), then thats pretty lame if thats all your gonna do about stopping abortions.
Again... Who is saying(other than you self) that simply voting for McCain is all that is needed? You keep repeating this concept but I haven't seen anyone here saying that is only thing to do. I know I haven't said simply voting for McCain is the answer so on what ground are you standing to assume such a thing?
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Hey like i said there earlier today, the way to stop abortion is to prevent a pregnancy before it happens. then no need for abortion, and voila this can be done with whomever goes to office.
Given the views on sexual relations by some who run for office I have to ask how you draw such a conclusion... I understand the government cannot outlaw sex but you'd think it could outlaw the murder of the unborn... Start treating those who murder inside like those outside the womb and you'll see things change... Not to mention that would remove the hypocrisy of allowing some to murder while prosecuting others...
Because of this factoid that some christians on here have declared - that if I do one tiny act - that of pushing the button for Obama , I am now 100% responsbile for all the abortions that happen in the future. Likewise, if the Christians think that pushing that button for mccain absolves them of anything they can do pesonally to stop abortion , they would be mistaken and also hypocritical. The burden is put on all of us to personally get involved, right? if we want to make a change.. Hey if we really want to make a change, we can try to chagne the laws no matter who is in charge.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 8:53:45 PM
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If you voted for someone who helped make or keep child rape legal, you're responsible.
Wrong.. Each person is responsbile for their own sin. dont put that on me. if you think that, then when a serial killer gets on tv and says "i killed 32 young boys because society did this to me - i had a rough childhood"
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 8:55:07 PM
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By the way, my earlier question, what have you done today to stop abortions? this week? this month?
I pray daily for God to end the slaughter. I pray folks won't kill unborn children. I have offered a home to children to avoid abortion. Sadly it seems daily I attempt to sway folks in the body of Christ not to support abortion. I given generously to places that offer alternatives to avoid abortion. I actively argue against folks like Obama and his ilk who have no regard for the unborn.
ok now you are doing your christian duty and not just talkin about it.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 9:01:54 PM
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So you don't think politicians who voted to allow slavery to continue in the southern states were in part responsible for slavery?
No. You know that the Africans who sold the slaves were responsible, not the lawmakers who allowed it.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 9:05:46 PM
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factoids aside, the issue of abortian to many of us is not tiny one. I do think we need to understand each other better without angrily blaming each other though. If I am not mistaken you said the issue of abortion wasnt going to be a factor that decided your vote? if that was correct what do you think about that issue? do you think we stop a life? do you see the unborn as a life? what about partial birth abortion that mr obama is for? in that case the baby can be far enough to live on his/her own how can that not be murder? Please understand I am trying to ask the questions of people to understand why they will allow this hideous act? to see if there is something I am missing. right now it looks like our version of what slavery was 150 years ago. everyone knew it was wrong but money and convienience were more important than right and wrong. others did not want to take a stand for someone else if it would cost them anything. if there is another answer than stopping a heartbeat equalling murder no one has ever explained it to me. even one tortured baby breaks my heart. sorry enough for now I guess
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 9:12:43 PM
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I'm also a Christian and voting for Obama - please, don't let them scare you - it's a blatant scare tactic. I have argued with many before about this very issue - and will not with them again.
When you bring up the fact that McCain is co-leader of the Gang of 14 - an agreement between 7 Dems and 7 Republicans to pick more centrist SCJs - they'll say, 'well under this Alito and Roberts were appointed'. And, when you bring up the fact that the Democrats did not have an organized fillibuster (Kerry tried to organize one, but failed) against either of these appointments - they don't have an answer. When you further say that Roberts has PUBLICLY called RVW the settled law of the land - they don't have an answer.
Further, when you bring up the fact that McCain's own stance - to allow abortions ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life endangerment - goes against the Republicans OWN platform and the fact that McCain has tried for years, to get the three aforementioned exceptions onto the platform - they'll only have excuses.
Further, when you bring up the fact that the self-declared champions of the pro-life movement, the Republicans, had THE golden opportunity for 6 years - from 2000-2006 when they controlled 2/3 branches of government, the executive and legislative - to introduce legislaction to outlaw abortions and they did NOT. When you bring this up, you get excuses.
Further, when you bring up the fact that Republican presidents have appointed THE MAJORITY of SCJ in the last 3 DECADES and STILL RVW has not been overturned, you'll still get MORE excuses. Not to mention the FACT that these Republican appointments INCLUDE: Souter (nominated by Bush I), Connor (nominated by Reagan) and Kennedy (nominated by Reagan and highly lauded by consevatives at the time) - the latter which, in 1992, Kennedy had THE deciding vote to overturn RVW in Casey v PP - and did NOT vote to overturn RVW. When you bring up this, and the fact that SCJ appointments is CLEARLY not a tactic that works, because it has NOT worked for decades after mostly Republican-appointed SCJs - you'll get more excuses.
Further, when you bring up the fact that the Senate (who approves SCJ nominations) is controlled by Democrats ; and that RVW is a case of privacy, you'll get more excuses.
When you bring up the fact that there are over a dozen Democrats that score higher than McCain from the nrlc.org, a yardstick that has been used many times here - you'll get more excuses. When you bring up the fact that there are pro-choice Republicans, most notable Arlen Specter, who sits (?), and has sat on many committees including the Judiciary Committee - you'll get more excuses. When you bring up the fact that there are pro-life Democrats, you'll get laughed at.
When you bring up all of the aforementioned, and the fact that you are a pro-life Democrat, and that you want more pro-life Democrats out there - because CLEARLY trying to appoint SCJs has NOT worked for DECADES - you are laughed at.
When you bring this all up, you get laughed at, excuses - when they are all facts that can easily be found - I have posted sources for years here. Given all this, it is obvious to me that some people here, like the person you must have talked to, are so biased towards the Republicans, they refuse to see the flaws of their own party on this issue. I'm not registered to any party - I'm an independent - clearly spme here are registered Republicans even to the point of extreme bias that they refuse to look at the facts. But, as I have said, I have argued this issue for years here, and I will not argue again - because these same people, despite all the sources I have given, still refuse to acknowledge the flaws of the champions of the pro-life movement, the Republicans.
Peace and God bless,
Except for the voting for Obama part, I totally agree with you.
McCain thinks abortion in the case of rape or incest is okay....like there's less fetal pain if your mother was raped?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/5/2008 9:13:26 PM
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LoyalGypsy
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ORIGINAL: rcjames
Well a vote for B. Hussein Obama certainly shows one to be in the tank for killing innocent babies.
Thanks
RC
Hey rcj
May I add….
Don’t forget, the noticeable difference in the pro-choice hidden movement,
But… to be in the tank for killing innocent babies
Perhaps to better reflect their position more clearly, that phrase should be adjusted to be said as... “Is in the tank for "the killing" of innocent babies…
Because…
"To be in support of killing" innocent babies…. is not according to the standards for their justification,
Their justification dictates that one has to be performing the actual act of killing… to be in support “of killing” unborn human beings 
In other words the person performing the act of killing the baby is not the mother
How is that for a contradiction?
So by making it the law of the land it somehow justifies the one killing the baby.
Under that stigma of justification …
if elected… Obama will seal that stigma by what has already begun under previous justification.
Here is where that leads..
The only contradiction that arises by sealing pro choice as the “law of the land”.... is that by making it the law of the land pro choice is no longer pro-choice
... it makes it now “required” by law. 
It has to be “required” by law first…. because the next step of infringements cannot be enacted until it is… ….and abstinence is not on the table…
I don’t know if you ever studied in depth about Adolph Hitler?
…Actually …what is coming up for a vote under pro choice…is the precursor that actually fixes the errors made by Hitler… without all the mess!
Main article: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel
On 26 October 2005, Ahmadinejad either said that ‘Israel should be wiped off the map’, or that ‘the Zionist regime in Jerusalem should vanish from the pages of time’. This speech upset public opinion in the Western world and in Israel.
On 14 December 2005, he commented on the Holocaust, using the word ‘myth’.[159] Suspicions were, and still are, that Ahmadinejad had been denying the Holocaust. Most English translations of that speech that circulate leave room though for other interpretations than ‘holocaust denial’.
A heated debate broke out, and is still running, in which some persist he was denying holocaust, while others insist Ahmadinejad was stressing some other point, and by the way did not deny holocaust.
I just gave the some other point above.
Quote: It has to be “required” by law first…. because the next step of infringements cannot be enacted until it is
Ahmadinejad is saying the holocaust never happened by denying it, is actually saying it hasn’t happened yet!
What is the count 50 Million unborn killed in the US alone, and it hasn't happened yet 
Watch what happeneds in part 2 ...should pro choice ever becomes the law of the land
LG
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