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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 9:04:41 AM
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Psalms274
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But to say that it's the rapist responsibility in a situation where a CHILD is raped and becomes pregnant with another CHILD, that is wrong.
I never said the rapist would take responsibility for their actions ... hopefully they will be caught and severely punished. I do not believe such a man deserves to see freedom ever again. The financial burden goes away with adaption ... even medical appointments are paid for by the one adopting the child. I was just offering another choice in the situation you were speaking about in your post.
I know you didn't but in the post I was referring to in my post did say it was the rapist responsibility and that is what I had a problem with.
Garsy
I think you may have misunderstood what that poster meant when he said the rapist was resposible. I do not think he was referring to the kind of responsibilty that is required to raise a child ... but was using the word responsible in the same way you would say that it was his fault. At least that was my take on it. It's like saying who is responsible for this child's acting out behaviors in the case of a young child who has been molested? The one who molested that child is responsible ... or you could say the one who molested that child is the one at fault.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 9:17:15 AM
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Oh for sure they are responsible - fully to blame.
But having someone to place blame on is not going to help the person that now has to deal with the results. Finding someone to blame is easy - getting that person to take responsibility is the tough part. And in the meantime the girl or woman who is now pregnant and having to deal with all that that entails has to deal with folks looking at her and thinking that she got pregnant on purpose. She has to deal with the ever present attitude of some that she "asked for this to happen." She has to deal with the fact that other parents will not allow their girls to be around her for fear that what happened to her will happen to their girls if they are around her. Unfortunately - while the situation is ENTIRELY someone else's fault it is often the victim that has to deal with having at least part of the blame placed on her. It would be like telling my daughter that it was HER fault for walking home from a friend's house that she got raped in the first place. Not true but the pervasive attitude toward young women and girls that end up pregnant due to rape.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 10:09:16 AM
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. If you're a Christian and you truly want to hold to the doctrines of the bible, you wouldn't vote for any of the candidates. None of them are suitable.
Agreed 100%.
Suitable how? Are you more suitable? AM I? Remember separation of church and state? We're not electing a religious leader in a theocracy. Even if we did have the power to elect a religious leader, how many pastors of respectable churches have fallen? If you're looking for a sinless super-intelligent individual to run for office, you're not going to find one in 100 years. That's why we have checks and balances. There is strength in many. Two heads are better than one., etc. So what, the candidates may not champion what you feel is important. Guess what, there will be times when your issues may not be addressed. Some with those that are different from you. That's why presidential terms only last four years. So, one party doesn't end up ruling for decades. SOMEBODY will not be happy with whomever is in office. That's a given. This is America, we each have the freedom to think independently. And it shows in our political systems.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 10:39:58 AM
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Suitable how? Are you more suitable? AM I? Remember separation of church and state? We're not electing a religious leader in a theocracy. Even if we did have the power to elect a religious leader, how many pastors of respectable churches have fallen? If you're looking for a sinless super-intelligent individual to run for office, you're not going to find one in 100 years. That's why we have checks and balances. There is strength in many. Two heads are better than one., etc. So what, the candidates may not champion what you feel is important. Guess what, there will be times when your issues may not be addressed. Some with those that are different from you. That's why presidential terms only last four years. So, one party doesn't end up ruling for decades. SOMEBODY will not be happy with whomever is in office. That's a given. This is America, we each have the freedom to think independently. And it shows in our political systems.
My point was that this thread is one against Obama because of his beliefs. McCain has some whacked ones too. Neither is the perfect leader, both have some serious problems in their platforms.
No one will find the perfect candidate. I don't support either one exclusively. One is for upholding the constitution, the other has decided what the constitution should be. Both have dangerous ideology.
Unless we vote for Bob Barr, we then have to decide between the lesser of two evils.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 1:04:43 PM
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Unless we vote for Bob Barr, we then have to decide between the lesser of two evils.
Well, Barr isn't without his flaws too. But I do believe he represents how I feel America should be run in a far superior manner than both Obama and McCain.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 1:19:39 PM
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Well, Barr isn't without his flaws too. But I do believe he represents how I feel America should be run in a far superior manner than both Obama and McCain.
Barr has far fewer flaws than Obama or McCain. Most of all, he is not a socialist.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 5:21:54 PM
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If you voted for someone who helped make or keep child rape legal, you're responsible.
Wrong.. Each person is responsbile for their own sin. dont put that on me. if you think that, then when a serial killer gets on tv and says "i killed 32 young boys because society did this to me - i had a rough childhood"
What was that stuff about the Good Samaritan? You be the the priest and walk on the left side of the road, I'll be the Samaritan on the right.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 5:23:02 PM
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Suitable how? Are you more suitable? AM I? Remember separation of church and state? We're not electing a religious leader in a theocracy. Even if we did have the power to elect a religious leader, how many pastors of respectable churches have fallen? If you're looking for a sinless super-intelligent individual to run for office, you're not going to find one in 100 years. That's why we have checks and balances. There is strength in many. Two heads are better than one., etc. So what, the candidates may not champion what you feel is important. Guess what, there will be times when your issues may not be addressed. Some with those that are different from you. That's why presidential terms only last four years. So, one party doesn't end up ruling for decades. SOMEBODY will not be happy with whomever is in office. That's a given. This is America, we each have the freedom to think independently. And it shows in our political systems.
My point was that this thread is one against Obama because of his beliefs. McCain has some whacked ones too. Neither is the perfect leader, both have some serious problems in their platforms.
No one will find the perfect candidate. I don't support either one exclusively. One is for upholding the constitution, the other has decided what the constitution should be. Both have dangerous ideology.
Unless we vote for Bob Barr, we then have to decide between the lesser of two evils.
I'm not looking for a perfect candidate, just one that thinks 50 million dead is enough.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 7:08:47 PM
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All I constantly hear about is saving 50 million. Those 50 million are already beyond saving. How come people aren't bringing up the fact that even more than 50 million will die through the stem cell research McCain supports.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 8:36:03 PM
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1. Nope - my point is, and always has been, that Republicans champion this cause, and by doing so, they should have reversed RVW by now, with a 6 year stint controlling both the executive and legislative branches - a missed GOLDEN opportunity.; they have appointed the MOST SCJs in the last 3 DECADES and still RVW has not been overturned.
Fact they have appointed all the pro-life judges... Your point, like most of them ignores the facts as a whole. I doubt you hold the Democrats to the same level regarding the environment and other pet issues... The Democrats are far from perfect on the environment, but you support them on the issue, which means you are not consistent...
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2. No excuse, John.
No excuse there, just the facts...
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If the Republicans want to champion themselves as the more moral, pro-life party, then they should as heck better put people at the helm that at least support their own platform on the issue.
Given the Democrats are far from perfect on their issue I guess they better to the same, I can expect you to not support them because while they champion themselves on the environment and the poor the effort isn't always there and surely the results are not... Right?
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And I might remind you, John, even with McCain's stance with the 3 exceptions - there are STILL over a dozen Democrats that score higher than McCain on nrlc.org!  But, no, shhhhhh...we don't want to talk about that fact, do we ?!
I have never made McCain out to be some champion of the abortion cause... I have spoken of McCain lack luster support so to imply I don't isn't being honest... In your zeal to support the Democrat who supports abortion please don't try and paint something I am not... As I said, I don't put any stock in McCain, or the pro-life Democrats... No substance... They say one thing and do another, like yourself...
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3. John, this STILL does not somehow excuse the fact that Republican presidents have appointed THE MAJORITY of SCJ in the last 3 DECADES and STILL RVW has not been overturned. Not to mention the FACT that these Republican appointments INCLUDE: Souter (nominated by Bush I), Connor (nominated by Reagan) and Kennedy (nominated by Reagan and highly lauded by consevatives at the time) - the latter which, in 1992, Kennedy had THE deciding vote to overturn RVW in Casey v PP - and did NOT vote to overturn RVW. Your statement is just excusing the so-called princes of the pro-life movement, the Republicans.
Pointing out that Republican have nominated pro-life judges and Democrats haven't isn't a an excuse it's fact
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4. Article II, Section 2, paragraph 2 of the United States Constitution states:
"[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments."
The President can appoint judges albeit temporally without the Advice and Consent of the Senate...
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5. Well, I'm praying there are more pro-life Democrats, John. I could give 2 hoots what you think about them.
It's not what I think of them, but what have they done? Nothing.... They vote for pro-abortion leadership... You can't slam McCain without slamming them since like McCain they don't do anything about it.
I know you will not answer, but I have to ask... Why should anyone pray for more people who say they are pro-life, but really aren't?
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6. Um, John - I am not registered to any party - so yes, I am an independent. The reason I am is because I agree with the Democrats on all issues except abortion -therefore, I call myself either an independent or a pro-life Democrat.
Ah... So technically you are not a Democrat... You can call yourself whatever you want, but it's clear what you are and what you are voting for, and your vote for Obama is a vote for abortion, so while you say you don't agree with Democrats on abortion, you support the agenda, just like the doing nothing pro-life Democrats who you mention.
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7. Good for you for saying so, John. I happen to think that if there were more pro-life Democrats, more could be done since it is painfully obvious that going thru SCJ appointments clearly is NOT working - given the fact in 3. above.
Given the "fact" the Republicans have appointed what pro-life judges and not Democrats, and the pro-life Democrat while saying the right still case vote for a pro-abortion leadership thinking more do nothing pro-life Democrats are going to help the cause walks allover you own argument against the do nothing Republicans...
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8. John, the Republicans crown themselves as the princes of the pro-life movement and do not live up to it - when you stick your neck out like that - then, yes, they deserve the criticism.
Then so do pro-life Democrats ,who do nothing for the cause by voting for pro-abortion leadership, who run the party...
1. John, again, I am saying that the Republicans are not perfect on this issue, and since they have not been able to overturn RVW thru SCJ nominations - because Republicans, indeed, have appointed the majority of them in the last 3 decades - even one who had the deciding vote in 1992 to overturn RVW in 1992 and did NOT - I am saying this strategy is clearly not working. Therefore they should take it to the legislature. They could've from 2000-2006 when they controlled both the executive and legislatve branches - and they did NOT. The Dems I stand behind have always had GREAT environmental records - so, you're wrong.
2. That is an excuse. I have shown that the self-crowned princes of the pro-life movement are certainly not perfect on the issue of abortion. In other words, it does not matter whom you vote for for president regarding this issue since given 1. above - RVW STILL has not been overturned.
3. Again, the Dems I support have had GREAT environmental records - and their constituents don't chant, "drill baby drill!"
4. All I'm saying, is that there is no difference whom you vote for in this election due to 1. above; McCain's nrlc.org score 66% (of which over a dozen of dem evil Dems to score better); McCain's co-leadership of the Gang of 14; the fact that the Senate is controlled by Dems; the fact that RVW is a privacy issue - plain as day.
5. John, my point is that Republicans have also appointed pro-choice justices as well: Connor, Souter and Kennedy. Kennedy was HIGHLY lauded in his day by conservatives and he had THE deciding vote to overturn RVW in 1992 and did NOT! It's as if you cannot control their rulings no matter how conservative you think they are! Geeez - again, I have a solid arguement for saying that it does not matter whom you vote for for president on this matter, ESPECIALLY in this election given 1-5 and you know it. I have proven my point.
6. Temporarily - please provide links. And if so - So? It'd be temporarily. The Constitution says straight out:
Article II, Section 2, paragraph 2 of the United States Constitution states:
"[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments."
Emphasis mine - please DO let me know if you need to know what that expression means.
7. Well, my point is is that if there were more, it would be a good thing and they would get more done. If you can't see this, too bad!
And, I'm not sure what you're saying here, John - the nrlc.org rates these pro-life Democrats higher than McCain! So I guess they have done more than him for this cause! Not that you'll admit that because your bias is pretty transparent! Irregardless, I'll pray that there are more pro-life Democrats.
8. I don't really care what you think I vote for, John. I know myself. I have made a solid argument that it doesn't matter whom you vote for at the presidential level on the issue of abortion given the aforementioned 1-7. I really don't care what you think of my vote - sorry to disappoint.
9. Please see 1, 4 and 5 above - case closed.
10. Um, no, John. Democrats have never pretended to be the moral high horse in the issue of abortion - they have NEVER declared themselves the princes of the pro-life movement I mean, are you joking If so, that was a good one
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 8:36:23 PM
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This may have been brought up before in this thread, but who here, while reading this, is wearing an article of clothing, be it pants, shirts, shoes, what have you, that was made by child labor, sweat shops, or other unjust conditions?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 8:57:34 PM
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Those people are at least alive and may one day be free from their burdens. They at least have a chance.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 9:22:18 PM
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4. All I'm saying, is that there is no difference whom you vote for in this election due to 1. above; McCain's nrlc.org score 66% (of which over a dozen of dem evil Dems to score better); McCain's co-leadership of the Gang of 14; the fact that the Senate is controlled by Dems; the fact that RVW is a privacy issue - plain as day.
I'm sorry, but there is most certainly a difference.
For the sake of argument, let's assume Senator McCain would do nothing to stop abortion. Things remain exactly as they are. That is still significantly better than what Senator Obama has promised to do (and his record verifies this is one promise he would actually keep) - eliminate all restrictions on abortion by signing the Freedom of Choice Act. This includes the Partial Birth Abortion Ban and all state and local restrictions. What protections there are for the unborn now will be gone. Can anyone say with a straight face that this will not result in thousands more babies being killed who otherwise would have lived?
I disagree with the thread title - I do not think a vote for Senator Obama means you are responsible for all future abortions. But I do assert that the blood of the additional babies murdered because of FOCA eliminating the laws protecting them will be on the hands of those who vote for him, because he told you exactly what he would do.
I'll repeat a little parable I posted earlier in this thread:
Let's say someone is going around soliciting money. He comes to you and you ask him what he wants it for, and he says, "I'm going to buy a gun for my friend so he can kill his wife." If you then give him money and he gets the gun and his friend murders his wife with it, her blood is on your hands. And on the hands of everyone else who gave money, because they directly and knowingly enabled the crime.
In case there's any confusion, the man = Senator Obama, money = votes, gun = FOCA, friend = Planned Parenthood (and their ilk), and wife = the unborn currently protected by the existing restrictions on abortion.
There is a difference in who you vote for on this issue.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 10:57:49 PM
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This may have been brought up before in this thread, but who here, while reading this, is wearing an article of clothing, be it pants, shirts, shoes, what have you, that was made by child labor, sweat shops, or other unjust conditions?
hi - i dont know,, can you tell me how this pertains to this topic?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/6/2008 11:00:28 PM
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4. All I'm saying, is that there is no difference whom you vote for in this election due to 1. above; McCain's nrlc.org score 66% (of which over a dozen of dem evil Dems to score better); McCain's co-leadership of the Gang of 14; the fact that the Senate is controlled by Dems; the fact that RVW is a privacy issue - plain as day.
I'm sorry, but there is most certainly a difference.
For the sake of argument, let's assume Senator McCain would do nothing to stop abortion. Things remain exactly as they are. That is still significantly better than what Senator Obama has promised to do (and his record verifies this is one promise he would actually keep) - eliminate all restrictions on abortion by signing the Freedom of Choice Act. This includes the Partial Birth Abortion Ban and all state and local restrictions. What protections there are for the unborn now will be gone. Can anyone say with a straight face that this will not result in thousands more babies being killed who otherwise would have lived?
I disagree with the thread title - I do not think a vote for Senator Obama means you are responsible for all future abortions. But I do assert that the blood of the additional babies murdered because of FOCA eliminating the laws protecting them will be on the hands of those who vote for him, because he told you exactly what he would do.
I'll repeat a little parable I posted earlier in this thread:
Let's say someone is going around soliciting money. He comes to you and you ask him what he wants it for, and he says, "I'm going to buy a gun for my friend so he can kill his wife." If you then give him money and he gets the gun and his friend murders his wife with it, her blood is on your hands. And on the hands of everyone else who gave money, because they directly and knowingly enabled the crime.
In case there's any confusion, the man = Senator Obama, money = votes, gun = FOCA, friend = Planned Parenthood (and their ilk), and wife = the unborn currently protected by the existing restrictions on abortion.
There is a difference in who you vote for on this issue.
-Robb
2 things:
-Some people say McCain only has a 66% rating from NRL; isn't that a whole lot better than Obama's rating (0% IIRC)?
-Some have complained about McCain being a part of the gang of 14; wouldn't he not have had to do that if the Dems hadn't filibustered a ton of Bush's nominees? (that move by McCain did help get Alito and Roberts)
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/7/2008 1:51:54 AM
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All I constantly hear about is saving 50 million. Those 50 million are already beyond saving. How come people aren't bringing up the fact that even more than 50 million will die through the stem cell research McCain supports.
It's not like the slaughter stopped when it reached 50 million.
I'm assuming that you understand the difference between adult stem cell research and embryonic stem cell research. Only the embryonic kind originated with the death of a little human being. Liberals like to try and blur these lines.
Where did you get that "even more than 50 million will die through the stem cell research..." Did you just pull it out of thin air?
We don't have a choice between a perfect pro-life candidate and a perfect pro-abortion one. Instead we've got a perfect pro-abortion candidate and a not perfect pro-life one. Should we turn our backs on those we can save because we can't save them all? Should we turn them over to a beast who will devour them?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/7/2008 2:30:03 AM
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McCain voted yes on a bill to use left-over embryonic stem cells from invitro-fertalization. So, yes more than 50 million would die because more than one embryo is usually harvested during this procedure. So killing for research is o.k.?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/7/2008 3:27:51 AM
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Actually, there may have been 50 million abortions, but there are millions of babies born to mothers who have had abortions who would not be alive today if they had decided not to have that abortion previously.
My own mother had a miscarriage before I was born. It would have been their second child, and if it had lived, I would not have existed. Even if they had wanted another baby, their lives would have taken a very different course, and some other child, not me, would have been born.
Now, before you say "how utterly vile", (cue ljmac) I am not arguing this as a pro-choice position -- it would be a ridiculous argument to make.
But I often hear that there would be 50 million more people alive today if there was no abortion. That's not true. In the majority of cases, the women who have abortions have other children, and while I doubt there has been a study into it, I would be willing to bet that certainly in the case of teenagers faced with the choice, those who have an abortion will, on average, have larger families because they were not faced with being a single teenage mom in a poor/dangerous neighborhood.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/7/2008 3:37:15 AM
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Hi Tacitus
I understand completely where you're coming from. I got pregnant when I was 16 and miscarried, I'm to blame. If I had had that child my life would have went in a total different direction. I wouldn't have joined the service and meet a man and have a really beautiful son. He is now married and serving in the special forces in Turkey. I thank God for him everyday.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/7/2008 8:02:32 AM
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4. All I'm saying, is that there is no difference whom you vote for in this election due to 1. above; McCain's nrlc.org score 66% (of which over a dozen of dem evil Dems to score better); McCain's co-leadership of the Gang of 14; the fact that the Senate is controlled by Dems; the fact that RVW is a privacy issue - plain as day.
I'm sorry, but there is most certainly a difference.
For the sake of argument, let's assume Senator McCain would do nothing to stop abortion. Things remain exactly as they are. That is still significantly better than what Senator Obama has promised to do (and his record verifies this is one promise he would actually keep) - eliminate all restrictions on abortion by signing the Freedom of Choice Act. This includes the Partial Birth Abortion Ban and all state and local restrictions. What protections there are for the unborn now will be gone. Can anyone say with a straight face that this will not result in thousands more babies being killed who otherwise would have lived?
I disagree with the thread title - I do not think a vote for Senator Obama means you are responsible for all future abortions. But I do assert that the blood of the additional babies murdered because of FOCA eliminating the laws protecting them will be on the hands of those who vote for him, because he told you exactly what he would do.
I'll repeat a little parable I posted earlier in this thread:
Let's say someone is going around soliciting money. He comes to you and you ask him what he wants it for, and he says, "I'm going to buy a gun for my friend so he can kill his wife." If you then give him money and he gets the gun and his friend murders his wife with it, her blood is on your hands. And on the hands of everyone else who gave money, because they directly and knowingly enabled the crime.
In case there's any confusion, the man = Senator Obama, money = votes, gun = FOCA, friend = Planned Parenthood (and their ilk), and wife = the unborn currently protected by the existing restrictions on abortion.
There is a difference in who you vote for on this issue.
-Robb
You're speaking of Senate bill 1173, correct?
Here is the summary:
"S. 1173: Freedom of Choice Act - Declares that it is the policy of the United States that every woman has the fundamental right to choose to: (1) bear a child; (2) terminate a pregnancy prior to fetal viability; or (3) terminate a pregnancy after fetal viability when necessary to protect her life or her health.
Prohibits a federal, state, or local governmental entity from: (1) denying or interfering with a woman's right to exercise such choices; or (2) discriminating against the exercise of those rights in the regulation or provision of benefits, facilities, services, or information. Provides that such prohibition shall apply retroactively.
Authorizes an individual aggrieved by a violation of this Act to obtain appropriate relief, including relief against a governmental entity, in a civil action."
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1173
The only difference between the laws today, and the aforementioned, is that this bill allows for partial birth abortions when the mother's life, health is endangered.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/7/2008 8:23:06 AM
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Closie
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ORIGINAL: CT23-Some have complained about McCain being a part of the gang of 14; wouldn't he not have had to do that if the Dems hadn't filibustered a ton of Bush's nominees? (that move by McCain did help get Alito and Roberts)
All the Senate had to do was move to a simple majority vote. The majority party - the Republicans - could have changed the Senate rule to stipulate that judicical nominees can be confirmed with a simple majority. That would have and should have taken away the Dems ability to block anything. Bill Frist said he would do it, but he never did thanks to the Gang of 14.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/7/2008 8:49:40 AM
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To the OP - it is absurd to think that someone who is pro-choice or votes for Obama is responsible for every abortion ever taking place. Obama is not PRO-abortion, he is pro-choice. There is a huge difference.
If you are responsible for all abortions based on your vote over this one issue than everyone who voted for Bush is also responsible for every civilian death caused by this unjust war.
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