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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/8/2008 4:46:21 PM
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rjthakid
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Nonsense.
Why don't I start a thread saying "I heard" John McCain wants to execute Gays.
Where are the mods? Why haven't they taken this trash down?
Your silly ploys won't work. Obama will be your next President. You'll hate it. And I'll laugh. 
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/8/2008 4:49:21 PM
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Uh... the presidents selected activist judges and the innevitable result.
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Seriously, how do you suppose any President can ban specific religious programing?
the same way they banned prayer from public schools
Exactly.
No President banned prayer. It was the Supreme Court.
Then, in Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602 (1971), the Court established the so-called "Lemon test," which set forth three conditions that had to be met for a challenged govern-mental action to be constitutional. First, the government, whether federal or state, may not sponsor or aid in the establishment of a state religion; second, the action must be secular in purpose and in its impact; and lastly, the action could not excessively entangle government with religion. This, in effect, made it difficult to introduce prayer into schools.
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/8/2008 4:51:51 PM
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No, that will NOT be the outcome if Obama wins.
I will be fully expecting each and every relinquishment of our rights and you will be wondering how you could have been so foolish. I know. Because I voted for Carter and have regretted it ever since.
So, laugh early because chances are you won't be laughing long.
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Nonsense.
Why don't I start a thread saying "I heard" John McCain wants to execute Gays.
Where are the mods? Why haven't they taken this trash down?
Your silly ploys won't work. Obama will be your next President. You'll hate it. And I'll laugh.
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/8/2008 4:53:09 PM
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If he gets rid of CBN, he would be doing us all a big favor.
I'm not a big fan of theirs either, but I don't wish to ban them either.
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Seriously, how do you suppose any President can ban specific religious programing?
Declare it to be "hate speech" and make such things "illegal".
The foundation for such things can be seen in the "homosexual agenda" when they label those of us (typically "Christians") who are against "gay marriage" are "hateful", "bigoted", and "intollerant". Thus, since "Christianity" teaches it's wrong, it too is "hateful", "bigoted", and "intollerant" and thus needs to be silenced.
It seems some only wish to protect free speech when it's something they agree with (or at least don't disagree with).
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/8/2008 4:54:20 PM
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I'm holding you to that!
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Will you be back tp apologize after we have both a democrat president and a democrat congress... that suddently see the need for a 'Fairness' Doctrine again?
You don't REALLY think that people who want to destroy freeedoms advertise it that way, do you? Keep your head in the sand and I'll let you know just before they come to chop it off. In the meantime, I'll be looking around for you and others like you that think this candidate is a fine Christian man.
Please let me know when that happens and I will humbly apologize. And, nowhere did I state that I thought Obummer was a "fine Christian man".
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/8/2008 4:57:20 PM
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Declare it to be "hate speech" and make such things "illegal".
The foundation for such things can be seen in the "homosexual agenda" when they label those of us (typically "Christians") who are against "gay marriage" are "hateful", "bigoted", and "intollerant". Thus, since "Christianity" teaches it's wrong, it too is "hateful", "bigoted", and "intollerant" and thus needs to be silenced.
It seems some only wish to protect free speech when it's something they agree with (or at least don't disagree with).
Come on now, are you really serious? No president of this country will put a stop to Christian media...period.
Next topic... 
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/8/2008 5:26:27 PM
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Come on now, are you really serious? No president of this country will put a stop to Christian media...period.
Next topic...
So how do you think the events of Revelation will occur unless they do something to silence those who seek to expose them for who they are?
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/8/2008 10:36:40 PM
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Declare it to be "hate speech" and make such things "illegal".
The foundation for such things can be seen in the "homosexual agenda" when they label those of us (typically "Christians") who are against "gay marriage" are "hateful", "bigoted", and "intollerant". Thus, since "Christianity" teaches it's wrong, it too is "hateful", "bigoted", and "intollerant" and thus needs to be silenced.
It seems some only wish to protect free speech when it's something they agree with (or at least don't disagree with).
Come on now, are you really serious? No president of this country will put a stop to Christian media...period.
Next topic...
I know I am probably going to take some flack for what I am about to say, but I feel it needs to be said.
Longfingers1,
I am sure that most Germans felt as you did before and while Hitler rose to power. They probably felt that their government protected them from the possibility of a dictator taking over their country, but that is what Hitler and his Natioanlist Party did, in a very short time, I may add. They used the system to pave the way for their eventual takeover.
No such government safe guards exist. Hitler proved that any government can be taken over especially if you are able to use that very government system along with mass intimitaion and threats.
For the past several years we have been hearing how fascist and Nazis-like the Bush administration and Republicans have been. We have been hearing how the Republicans are out to take our liberties from us.
What liberties have we really lost under the Bush administration?
I have repeatedly challenged some one to name one clear case supporting the arguement that the government over stepped its Constitutional authority and deprived anyone, or any group of people their rights. To date no one person has shown anything of a kind has happened. However, we do have a number of instances already that either Obama, his supporters, or the Democratic Party have used threats and intimitation to silence free speech. Free speech, one of the basic freedoms and rights we American cherish. A clear and present danger to our Constitution and everyone in America.
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/8/2008 11:20:47 PM
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Thank you for the reality check. Though I imagine that the Obama bashers will point out that Obama will be able to appoint Supreme Court Justices and then the "Fairness Doctrine" will be able to survive the inevitable court challenge.
But there is many assumptions there. Supreme Court vacancies may not come up, if they do Republicans may contest and defeat the nominees. And there is the whole matter of whether Obama supports the "Fairness Doctrine". I suspect he does but will he be willing to spend political capital on it? And would such a bill pass? I'm not so sure about it, especially if he is as inconsequential as many of the Obama bashers claim he is.
That fact he would support the "Fairness Doctrine" is enough...
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/8/2008 11:22:46 PM
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Come on now, of course that's not true. It's nothing more than hear say and more false things being said about him to discourage people to not vote for him. People will throw in anything that's dealing with God and use it in a way against him and believe it. Think about it, if he did that, do you know how many other outlets he would have to shut down that cater to others of different religious backgrounds or nationalities?... don't think so, he and anyone else who if elected into office, would be a fool to go against that amendment that protects such rights.
Given the ease at which people give up rights to feel safe and secure I wouldn't be to quick to say what can or cannot happen...
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/8/2008 11:45:40 PM
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I know I am probably going to take some flack for what I am about to say, but I feel it needs to be said.
Longfingers1,
I am sure that most Germans felt as you did before and while Hitler rose to power. They probably felt that their government protected them from the possibility of a dictator taking over their country, but that is what Hitler and his Natioanlist Party did, in a very short time, I may add. They used the system to pave the way for their eventual takeover.
No such government safe guards exist. Hitler proved that any government can be taken over especially if you are able to use that very government system along with mass intimitaion and threats.
For the past several years we have been hearing how fascist and Nazis-like the Bush administration and Republicans have been. We have been hearing how the Republicans are out to take our liberties from us.
What liberties have we really lost under the Bush administration?
I have repeatedly challenged some one to name one clear case supporting the arguement that the government over stepped its Constitutional authority and deprived anyone, or any group of people their rights. To date no one person has shown anything of a kind has happened. However, we do have a number of instances already that either Obama, his supporters, or the Democratic Party have used threats and intimitation to silence free speech. Free speech, one of the basic freedoms and rights we American cherish. A clear and present danger to our Constitution and everyone in America.
Really... I would believe what you said, really I would, if it were true. To say that under the Bush administration Americans haven't lost any liberties, where have you been for the last eight years? You want to talk about the freedom of free speech loss under a democratic administration, it was during the Bush administration where the one of the biggest lost of liberties was lost, where protesters longer have the right to protest where the president or vice president can see them. Do you even remember what John Ashcroft did... please. What are the number of instances where "supposedly" Obama and the Democratic Party have used threats or intimitation to silence free speech?
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/9/2008 12:02:23 AM
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To say that under the Bush administration Americans haven't lost any liberties, where have you been for the last eight years?
Name one liberty or right that you personally have lost under the Bush administration.
Man, I never get tired of asking that, nor do I get tired of the long, pregnant silence which inevitably follows....
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/9/2008 12:14:16 AM
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To say that under the Bush administration Americans haven't lost any liberties, where have you been for the last eight years?
Name one liberty or right that you personally have lost under the Bush administration.
Man, I never get tired of asking that, nor do I get tired of the long, pregnant silence which inevitably follows....
I named one already, but since you're putting demands out there and this is in refrence to the post, name a liberty that you'll lose under Obama or that you've lost under a democratic administration as the last poster I responded to was saying?
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/9/2008 2:20:39 PM
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I know I am probably going to take some flack for what I am about to say, but I feel it needs to be said.
Longfingers1,
I am sure that most Germans felt as you did before and while Hitler rose to power. They probably felt that their government protected them from the possibility of a dictator taking over their country, but that is what Hitler and his Natioanlist Party did, in a very short time, I may add. They used the system to pave the way for their eventual takeover.
No such government safe guards exist. Hitler proved that any government can be taken over especially if you are able to use that very government system along with mass intimitaion and threats.
For the past several years we have been hearing how fascist and Nazis-like the Bush administration and Republicans have been. We have been hearing how the Republicans are out to take our liberties from us.
What liberties have we really lost under the Bush administration?
I have repeatedly challenged some one to name one clear case supporting the arguement that the government over stepped its Constitutional authority and deprived anyone, or any group of people their rights. To date no one person has shown anything of a kind has happened. However, we do have a number of instances already that either Obama, his supporters, or the Democratic Party have used threats and intimitation to silence free speech. Free speech, one of the basic freedoms and rights we American cherish. A clear and present danger to our Constitution and everyone in America.
Really... I would believe what you said, really I would, if it were true. To say that under the Bush administration Americans haven't lost any liberties, where have you been for the last eight years? You want to talk about the freedom of free speech loss under a democratic administration, it was during the Bush administration where the one of the biggest lost of liberties was lost, where protesters longer have the right to protest where the president or vice president can see them. Do you even remember what John Ashcroft did... please. What are the number of instances where "supposedly" Obama and the Democratic Party have used threats or intimitation to silence free speech?
I have been living here in the United States, in the real world where I neither have lost and rights, freedoms, or liberties under the Bush administration, nor have I ever heard of anyone else loosing any or their rights, libertiesm,, or freedoms.
What the Bush administration has done is take long over due steps to protect this country which is his responsibility to do so under the Constituition. He has done this at great pains to insure that the average person does not loose any rights, liberties, or freedoms. His concern and his target has always been individuals who, in some way, of their own actions, have been identified as a threat to this country.
I can understand why many on the far left who feel they have lost rights, liberties, and freedoms, largely because it is they who live in alternative universe where everything is the fault of Conservatives, the Republican Party, and just about everyone who dares disagree with them.
What instances "supposedly" has Obama and the Democratic Party have used to silence free speech? Where have you been since the start of the Clinton administration?
What was Hillary Clinton's, and the Democratic Party's main defense of Bill when he was facing investigation and possible impeachment? Wasn't it the so called "Right Wing Conspiracy"? Wasn't it Rush Limbaugh, and Conservative members of "Talk Radio" that were said to be the main proponents of the accusations made against President Clinton and calls for his impeachment?
First law of propoganda- identify a threat, do not address the issue/problem.
Look at the way the whole "Global Warming" issue has been handled.
If anyone dared disagree with the conclusions that Al Gore and his people drew about the environment, then that person was automatically seen as being on the payroll of "Big Oil" or some other anti-environmentalist interest and didn't deserve to be heard from or taken seriously.
What is the almost immediate reaction of Obama and his supporters to any form of criticism?
Doesn't it go something like:
1. It's all a lie and a smear.
2. That topic is off limits
He and his supporters hardly ever address the criticism and support their arguement that the criticism is in anyway false, or miss-leading. (Sorry, books and websites he writes, or his supporters create defending him, do not count largely because they do not promote discussion, or unbiased examination.)
Not too long ago there was that incident at WGN television in Chicago when, on two seperate occasions, the station announced the airing of a program featuring a critic of Obama. Instead of addressing the cricitism, didn't he and his supporters take steps to block the airing of that program?
If a Republican reacted the same way we would still be hearing about it and discussing it.
Then there is the "Fairness Doctrine" which UNDOUBTEDLY will be resurrected once Obama takes office and probably passed, in record time, if Congress is dominated by Democrats.
If Obama and his supporters are already taking steps to silence criticsm and silence free speech now, during the election campaign, what is there going to be to stop him/them when he/they are in office?
I am sorry, but I am not going to bury my head in the sand and try to convince myself, or have others try to convince others that just because the abolishment of our rights and liberties are so nightmarish for us to contimplate that there is absolutely no way that it is not going to happen. From what I have heard and seen, over the years, we are getting ever closer to that happening.
We are ever getting closer to the economic and socialogical conditions that existed in Germany, and the world, just prior to World War II.
Our political system is getting ever closer to fulfilling the warning about political parties, that George Washington warned us about back in 1796. A political system in which there will be only one political/ governing entity. When that happens we will loose our freedoms.
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/9/2008 2:45:45 PM
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Explain to me then how a sherriff is now under the investigation of the FBI for saying "Barack Hussein Obama" at a Republican Rally. He said he figured that even though he was a sherrif, he had to state his full name - first, middle & last to get proper papers to get a clearance to speak at the rally - so he could use Obama's full name. AND this came from MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27075121
Sure it can happen.
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/9/2008 5:20:39 PM
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I named one already, but since you're putting demands out there and this is in refrence to the post, name a liberty that you'll lose under Obama or that you've lost under a democratic administration as the last poster I responded to was saying?
So your answer is, "No, sir, I cannot name a single liberty that I personally have lost under the Bush administration".
Thanks for playing along...
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/9/2008 9:29:09 PM
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More example of how Obama and the Democrats may limit and even abolish our freedoms.
Look at what Democrats have said about this election.
Though only a few have had the guts to say so, or lapses in holding to the party line, it is a good bet that many believe that this election is going to be decided on race and race alone.
They have also said that if their canidate looses there will violence in the streets.
I do not know about you, but that sounds like intimitation to me-accept their canidate or be held responsible for the consequences.
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/10/2008 1:16:46 PM
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I named one already, but since you're putting demands out there and this is in refrence to the post, name a liberty that you'll lose under Obama or that you've lost under a democratic administration as the last poster I responded to was saying?
So your answer is, "No, sir, I cannot name a single liberty that I personally have lost under the Bush administration".
Thanks for playing along...
No, it isn't but I'm not going to continue to name them until you tell me name a liberty that you'll lose under a Obama/Biden administration or that you've lost under a democratic administration to be fair. Let's take it a step further and stick to the thread's topic, what right under a Obama/Biden administration will the Christian media loose?
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/10/2008 1:26:58 PM
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I named one already, but since you're putting demands out there and this is in refrence to the post, name a liberty that you'll lose under Obama or that you've lost under a democratic administration as the last poster I responded to was saying?
So your answer is, "No, sir, I cannot name a single liberty that I personally have lost under the Bush administration".
Thanks for playing along...
No, it isn't but I'm not going to continue to name them until you tell me name a liberty that you'll lose under a Obama/Biden administration or that you've lost under a democratic administration to be fair. Let's take it a step further and stick to the thread's topic, what right under a Obama/Biden administration will the Christian media loose?
Obama campain wants to ban signs at rally
"The First Amendment guarantees the freedoms of religion, speech, the press, peaceable assembly, petition of the government. Will one who aspires to the title Defender of the Constitution begin inhibiting these First Freedoms even before he is in office--at a public university?"
If he can attempt to limit secular free speech, he certainly won't sneeze at stifling any other form of disent.
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/10/2008 1:28:04 PM
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Well, that's one way to avoid answering the question.
Longfingers, let me let you in on something. I Asked You First. Answer my question and then I will be glad to address yours.
Or does that make too much sense?
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/10/2008 1:32:52 PM
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Well, that's one way to avoid answering the question.
Longfingers, let me let you in on something. I Asked You First. Answer my question and then I will be glad to address yours.
Or does that make too much sense?
I'm not avoiding anything I've asked you and the other poster to provide an example of both and you all have yet to provide one. Instead it rebutted back to me to name more than just that one. Why should I continue to name more when you and the potser can't even name a liberty or liberites you'll lose under a Obama/Biden administration or that you've lost under a democratic administration to be fair. Or provide a tangible evidence that under a Obama/Biden administration will ban Christian media (the thread title did say no more Christian media)? 
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/10/2008 2:57:41 PM
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I'm not avoiding anything I've asked you and the other poster to provide an example of both and you all have yet to provide one.
What do you call post 65 and 68?
They may not be the kind of answers you are looking for it is a clear indication where the Democratic Party has been headed in and will very like aim to achieve once they win the White House.
For years the Democratic Party has accused the Republican Party of the very things they aim to do, and have done, when they get in the White House-divide this counrtry and spy on its citizens. Now they are out to silence criticism of any kind, as welll as control/ silence public debate/opinion and free speech anyway they can. Talk about an administration being like Nazis Germany.
That reminds me. Who was it in the Clinton White House who had access to FBI files that more than likely had no business having access to them in any shape or form? Wasn't that Hillary Clinton?
As far as your example is concerned protestors have always been constrained as to where they may march and where they may not. No individual or group has been denied their right to protest. The local/city authorities and the Secret Service do have the right and responsibiility to decide where that protest my be carried out for security and safety reasons. So please try again. That was not a right or a freedom lost under the Bush administistration.
Sorry I missed the example you gave, but it was so inaccurate, un-realistic and vague that it went right by me.
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RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/10/2008 10:43:44 PM
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Once again the challenge to liberals and Democrats who believe the Bush administration, and Republicans in general, are our to strip us average Americans goes unanswered. Could it be that no such thing has happened in the slightest way to anyone.
Sort of re-enforces the notion that the onnly reason why the Democrats made such charges was because they were jealous. They were accusing Republicans of doing what they themselves wish they had an opportunity to do. Soon they will, it would seem.
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