|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 9/30/2008 10:48:28 PM
|
|
|
MyCatSmokey2006
Posts: 3138
Status: offline
|
I attended a Christian function where we were discussing the upcoming election. During the discussion, someone mentioned that Obama wants to get rid of ALL Christian media, including radio and TV stations, because they feature programs against homosexuality and abortion, among other reasons. Has anyone else ever heard of this? If so, please cite a reliable source. Thank you.
_____________________________
Melissa
MEOWY CHRISTMAS!
My BLOG!
MY CAT POST!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 9/30/2008 10:51:00 PM
|
|
|
rgsoundguy
Posts: 398
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: Pottstown, PA
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: MyCatSmokey2006
I attended a Christian function where we were discussing the upcoming election. During the discussion, someone mentioned that Obama wants to get rid of ALL Christian media, including radio and TV stations, because they feature programs against homosexuality and abortion, among other reasons. Has anyone else ever heard of this? If so, please cite a reliable source. Thank you.
I haven't heard anything on this, but thanks for planting that seed. Soon everyone will be talking all about it.
_____________________________
Albert Einstein said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. That convinces me that our nation is insane because we continually elect republicans and democrats expecting change and get none.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 9/30/2008 10:55:00 PM
|
|
|
zamdad
Posts: 1697
Joined: 4/8/2005
Status: offline
|
That's what the Fairness Doctrine will get us.
_____________________________
The two hardest things to handle: failure and success.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 9/30/2008 11:15:06 PM
|
|
|
wing2000
Posts: 1029
Joined: 4/14/2005
Status: offline
|
If he gets rid of CBN, he would be doing us all a big favor.
Seriously, how do you suppose any President can ban specific religious programing?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 9/30/2008 11:19:19 PM
|
|
|
rgsoundguy
Posts: 398
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: Pottstown, PA
Status: offline
|
Maybe he's just afraid he'll be confronted by Kirk Cameron filming an episode of "Way of the Master." The best way to deal with that is ban all Christian broadcasting. Just a thought.
_____________________________
Albert Einstein said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. That convinces me that our nation is insane because we continually elect republicans and democrats expecting change and get none.
|
|
|
|
|
EXACTLY result the 1st Fairness Doctrine - 9/30/2008 11:20:52 PM
|
|
|
TMeeks
Posts: 2126
Joined: 1/27/2007
Status: offline
|
One of the first events I ever covered with video was a march on Washington organized by Carl McIntire.
McIntire owned a Christian Radio Station, WXUR, which was denied a license renewal because it did not have enough variety in its political offerings. Because he did not have programming supporting liberal Democrat positions, his station was shut down. The Federal Government closed down a Christian Station.
It WILL happen again should they reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.
Go to the section labeled "In the Public Eye"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_McIntire
Interestingly enough, McIntire's lawyer FIGHTING this application of the Fairness Doctrine (Benedict Cottone) had been one of the original proponents of the Fairness Doctrine when he was the General Counsel of the FCC.
_____________________________
Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
|
|
|
|
|
It's been done before! - 9/30/2008 11:23:52 PM
|
|
|
TMeeks
Posts: 2126
Joined: 1/27/2007
Status: offline
|
See my post in these threads regarding the Christian Broadcasting Station, WXUR in Cape May, NJ. It was put out of business by the FCC PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THE ORIGINAL FAIRNESS DOCTRINE!
It's ALREADY BEEN DONE. And, they WILL DO IT AGAIN!
quote:
ORIGINAL: wing2000
If he gets rid of CBN, he would be doing us all a big favor.
Seriously, how do you suppose any President can ban specific religious programing?
_____________________________
Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: EXACTLY result the 1st Fairness Doctrine - 9/30/2008 11:27:42 PM
|
|
|
zamdad
Posts: 1697
Joined: 4/8/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: TMeeks
One of the first events I ever covered with video was a march on Washington organized by Carl McIntire.
McIntire owned a Christian Radio Station, WXUR, which was denied a license renewal because it did not have enough variety in its political offerings. Because he did not have programming supporting liberal Democrat positions, his station was shut down. The Federal Government closed down a Christian Station.
It WILL happen again should they reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.
Go to the section labeled "In the Public Eye"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_McIntire
Interestingly enough, McIntire's lawyer FIGHTING this application of the Fairness Doctrine (Benedict Cottone) had been one of the original proponents of the Fairness Doctrine when he was the General Counsel of the FCC.
Thank you TMeeks. I was speaking with some colleagues a few weeks back and the Fairness Doctrine came up. They'd all heard of it, but did not have any understanding of it. They only knew they didn't like it because Nancy Pelosi was in support of it. In their minds, if she supports it, it's bad.
I explained to them that the Fairness Doctrine will require every broadcast station to air an equal amount of opposing perspectives on any issue. In essence, it shuts down the free market because regulations imposed on them will force them to air things that don't generate revenue.
Ever wonder why conservative talk radio keeps gaining audience and the liberaal shows that have come on have failed? Conservative talk show hosts gain an audience that pays for advertising. Liberal talk show hosts can't hold an audience. So, to quiet the conservative side, the liberals propose legislation that will effectively shut them up.
_____________________________
The two hardest things to handle: failure and success.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 9/30/2008 11:36:17 PM
|
|
|
LabGuy
Posts: 3281
Joined: 9/22/2007
From: NW Pennsylvania
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: wing2000
Seriously, how do you suppose any President can ban specific religious programing?
Simple. Stack the Supreme Court with judges who have no problem redefining what words mean. So that suddenly "free exercise of religion" excludes use of public airwaves. (If you don't think they can, just take a look at how they already redefined "public use" of land to include giving it to private developers.)
Once the Supreme Court is set, then all that's needed is an FCC edict. Religious broadcasters sue, the case makes its way to the Supremes, and poof!
-Robb
|
|
|
|
|
RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/1/2008 12:17:43 AM
|
|
|
leonfigg3
Posts: 343
Joined: 5/7/2007
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: LabGuy
quote:
ORIGINAL: wing2000
Seriously, how do you suppose any President can ban specific religious programing?
Simple. Stack the Supreme Court with judges who have no problem redefining what words mean. So that suddenly "free exercise of religion" excludes use of public airwaves. (If you don't think they can, just take a look at how they already redefined "public use" of land to include giving it to private developers.)
Once the Supreme Court is set, then all that's needed is an FCC edict. Religious broadcasters sue, the case makes its way to the Supremes, and poof!
-Robb
I should probably recheck some facts before I write , but some time ago a researched the Fairness Doctrine and the FCC. I believe I read that because of the way the FCC is constructed, they could impliment it themselves by edict, at any time they want, if they wanted to. They haven't because there is some reluctance to do so by many of those involved in the decision making process. I think the Democrats are pushing the issues mainly to force the FCC to impliment their version of it whether they like it or not.
I lived through the first one and have long wondered why that stopped. Then I remembered people lost interest. Much of what was discussed and debated was a joke. I mean the issues were far from being front page issues that needed any great discussion and usually didn't get any.
However, from what I have heard of the Democratic Party's version is far more dangerous because it is not only about on air "fairness" but ownership "fairness" They want to strip media empires of "too many media outlests". To me this means reducing the quality of journalism even more than it is being reduced.
Getting back to the topic. I have no idea if the story is true or not, but considering some of the comments Obama an his supporters have made, as well as attempts they have made to silence criticsm of any kind, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some truth to the allegation.
< Message edited by leonfigg3 -- 10/1/2008 11:36:27 AM >
|
|
|
|
|
RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/1/2008 3:02:49 AM
|
|
|
tacitus
Posts: 283
Joined: 5/12/2005
Status: offline
|
You know, I'd be willing to bet a sizable sum of money (if I did bet, that is) that after eight years of total Democratic government control, the Fairness Doctrine will be as moribund as it is today. Really, of all the things that excite the left (and there are many) bringing back the Fairness Doctrine is close to bottom of a very long list. The *only* people talking about it seriously are the right-wingers like Dobson and his pals who want to scare up more votes for the Republicans. It simply isn't an issue the Democrats are pushing at all.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/1/2008 6:31:33 AM
|
|
|
Rufas2000
Posts: 1314
Joined: 4/12/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
However, from what I have heard of the Democratic Party's version is far more dangerous because it is not only about on air "fairness" but ownership "fairness" They want to strip media empires of "too many media outlests". To me this means reducing the quality of journalism even more than it is being reduced.
Other than a reduction in available resources (which are not used for news reporting anyway and synergy (the newspaper and TV station sharing reporters and articles) why would the quality of journalism be reduced? Big media empires also have more conflicts of interest.
In the last few years where many have cited a decline in journalism there has also been a decline in regulation of media empires. In essence as media empires grew, journalism quality has gotten worse. I'm sure there are other factors as to why journalism quality has declined but its not a good argument for deregulating media empires.
For the record the Tampa, FL market I live in has an NBC affiliate and the big local newspaper (or one of the two but I think the Tampa Tribune is still the biggest) are owned by the same company and it works pretty well. They support each other while as far as I can tell don't have big ethical or conflict of interest issues. So I'm not saying media conglomerates are always or automatically bad. I am pointing out that the trend doesn't match the statement made in the post I quoted but again, that may be due to other unrelated issues.
_____________________________
Be my friend!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/1/2008 8:38:45 AM
|
|
|
Psalms274
Posts: 1325
Joined: 8/13/2005
From: Georgia
Status: offline
|
quote:
It simply isn't an issue the Democrats are pushing at all.
Well ... it's an election year so of course they are not going to push for it ... to run on it would be the end of their campaign. The push will come AFTER they have their people in power. Nancy Pelosi has made it clear it is a priority on a number of occasions.
_____________________________
I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ.
< Linus w/ a friends baby!
http://piswa.blogspot.com/
|
|
|
|
|
RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/1/2008 11:03:10 AM
|
|
|
ayani
Posts: 194
Joined: 4/12/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: MyCatSmokey2006
I attended a Christian function where we were discussing the upcoming election. During the discussion, someone mentioned that Obama wants to get rid of ALL Christian media, including radio and TV stations, because they feature programs against homosexuality and abortion, among other reasons. Has anyone else ever heard of this? If so, please cite a reliable source. Thank you.
No reason to worry. I guarantee you Obama would do nothing of the kind.
You've been a victim of the oldest trick in the conservative leaders handbook: the quickest way to drum up evangelical support for something they want is to tell evangelicals they are being persucuted.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/1/2008 11:08:56 AM
|
|
|
letusreason
Posts: 815
Joined: 8/30/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: ayani
quote:
ORIGINAL: MyCatSmokey2006
I attended a Christian function where we were discussing the upcoming election. During the discussion, someone mentioned that Obama wants to get rid of ALL Christian media, including radio and TV stations, because they feature programs against homosexuality and abortion, among other reasons. Has anyone else ever heard of this? If so, please cite a reliable source. Thank you.
No reason to worry. I guarantee you Obama would do nothing of the kind.
You've been a victim of the oldest trick in the conservative leaders handbook: the quickest way to drum up evangelical support for something they want is to tell evangelicals they are being persucuted.
There is no conservative "handbook" and this OP needs to be moved to Conspiracy Central imo.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: It's been done before! - 10/1/2008 11:44:03 AM
|
|
|
cow451
Posts: 3983
Joined: 5/6/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: TMeeks
See my post in these threads regarding the Christian Broadcasting Station, WXUR in Cape May, NJ. It was put out of business by the FCC PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THE ORIGINAL FAIRNESS DOCTRINE!
It's ALREADY BEEN DONE. And, they WILL DO IT AGAIN!
quote:
ORIGINAL: wing2000
If he gets rid of CBN, he would be doing us all a big favor.
Seriously, how do you suppose any President can ban specific religious programing?
That was 35 years ago. The Fairness Doctrine would be impossible to implement with any real effect because of the internet. Anybody that has a "message" and can throw up a website and post a video can be heard. It's just fundamentalist fear-mongering. I agree with letusreason that this is better suited for the Conspiracy forum.
_____________________________
Wenn Sie so intelligent sind, warum Sie hier sind?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: I Heard That Obama Wants No More Christian Media! - 10/1/2008 11:51:07 AM
|
|
|
leonfigg3
Posts: 343
Joined: 5/7/2007
Status: offline
|
I agree that this thread is starting to sound like a good canidate for Conspiracy Central. However, I believe I can see how the moderators may have a problem deciding where it belongs since. This is an election year, and whether one believes it or not this bit of information may be true and it may not be.
It is possible that this is nothing more that rumor and gossip started by someone opposed to Obama.
It is also possible that there is a great deal of truth to it as evidenced by the history of Obama's camp of handling any kind of serious criticism.
Also, whether one is aware of it or not, or believes it or not, the Fairness Doctrine is a political issue and has been one for the last couple of years, thanks in large part to the Democrats who have been pushing to have it reinterpreted, and reapplied for any number of political reasons.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: It's been done before! - 10/1/2008 12:07:11 PM
|
|
|
rcjames
Posts: 5660
Joined: 7/15/2005
From: Oklahoma
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: cow451
That was 35 years ago. The Fairness Doctrine would be impossible to implement with any real effect because of the internet. Anybody that has a "message" and can throw up a website and post a video can be heard. It's just fundamentalist fear-mongering. I agree with letusreason that this is better suited for the Conspiracy forum.
I don't know about that, it seems Mainland China is making great inroads into controlling the internet, and if the "Fairness Doctrine" in instituted for broadcast media, in would just be a small step to include the internet.
And yes the Christian media would be destroyed if they had to give half of their airtime to satan worshipers, atheists, or some paganistic group to spew their swill.
And the drumbeat of the human secularist goes on with the aid of hapless libs who think they are doing something right.
Thsnks
RC
_____________________________
Just a country Preacher's humble opinion
Read the first chapter of my latest book here;
http://www.deliveranceofsara.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: It's been done before! - 10/1/2008 12:08:36 PM
|
|
|
leonfigg3
Posts: 343
Joined: 5/7/2007
Status: offline
|
cow451,
Again, I probably should recheck some things I have already read, and heard about this new "Fairness Doctrine" before I say anything, but for the sake of arguement let's say that part of this new "Fairness Doctrine" is also designed to apply to the Internet.
Like I said before From my scant understanding of this new "Fairness Doctrine" it is not only designed to insist all sides of an issue have an equal say on specific media, but it is also aimed at combating corporate ownership of media oulets like the Chicago Tribune which not only owns the Chicago Tribune, but WGN radio and WGN television here in the Chicago area.
Also the fact that many media outlets also have internet versions, it seems to me that anyone crafting a "Fairness Doctrine" today would, in some way, include the internet in its proposed regulations, if only as a first step to further regulation.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: It's been done before! - 10/1/2008 12:50:15 PM
|
|
|
cow451
Posts: 3983
Joined: 5/6/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: rcjames
quote:
ORIGINAL: cow451
That was 35 years ago. The Fairness Doctrine would be impossible to implement with any real effect because of the internet. Anybody that has a "message" and can throw up a website and post a video can be heard. It's just fundamentalist fear-mongering. I agree with letusreason that this is better suited for the Conspiracy forum.
I don't know about that, it seems Mainland China is making great inroads into controlling the internet, and if the "Fairness Doctrine" in instituted for broadcast media, in would just be a small step to include the internet.
And yes the Christian media would be destroyed if they had to give half of their airtime to satan worshipers, atheists, or some paganistic group to spew their swill.
And the drumbeat of the human secularist goes on with the aid of hapless libs who think they are doing something right.
Thsnks
RC
China is irrelevant. The rest is paranoia.
_____________________________
Wenn Sie so intelligent sind, warum Sie hier sind?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: It's been done before! - 10/1/2008 12:54:54 PM
|
|
|
cow451
Posts: 3983
Joined: 5/6/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: leonfigg3
cow451,
Again, I probably should recheck some things I have already read, and heard about this new "Fairness Doctrine" before I say anything, but for the sake of arguement let's say that part of this new "Fairness Doctrine" is also designed to apply to the Internet.
Like I said before From my scant understanding of this new "Fairness Doctrine" it is not only designed to insist all sides of an issue have an equal say on specific media, but it is also aimed at combating corporate ownership of media oulets like the Chicago Tribune which not only owns the Chicago Tribune, but WGN radio and WGN television here in the Chicago area.
Also the fact that many media outlets also have internet versions, it seems to me that anyone crafting a "Fairness Doctrine" today would, in some way, include the internet in its proposed regulations, if only as a first step to further regulation.
Since there is no actual "Fairness Doctrine" on the table, the discussion does have limits. Media, like every industry, is driven by money. There are too many choices now. And, remember that Rupert Murdoch owns quite a bit of media (including FOX). Any effort toward a fairness doctrine is liberal whining  .
_____________________________
Wenn Sie so intelligent sind, warum Sie hier sind?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: It's been done before! - 10/1/2008 2:05:19 PM
|
|
|
leonfigg3
Posts: 343
Joined: 5/7/2007
Status: offline
|
cow451,
Just like the saying goes, Just because your paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't really someone out there after you.
There is nothing wrong about considering the possibiity. Maybe if someone somewhere would have considered the possibility of hijackers using box cutters to take over airplanes, 911 would not have happened like it did.
Maybe if the French would have considered the possibility that the Vietminh could place artillery pieces in the hills around Dien Bien Phu, America may not have seen the need to bail them out and take over the fight in Viet Nam.
If someone is dedicated enough to an agenda, they will be imaginative enough to make that agenda reality anyway they can.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: It's been done before! - 10/1/2008 4:03:35 PM
|
|
|
stonek
Posts: 142
Status: offline
|
Let's see......Let's limit religious broadcasting and other religious media, leave only 3 banks, create universal care for everyone, keep killing babies, increase government programs and what exactly do you call it?
Oh wait, don't call it what it really is because that is not politically correct to do so. Okay, we will just call it Change.
|
|
|
|
 New Messages |
 No New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/ New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/o New Messages |
 Locked w/ New Messages |
 Locked w/o New Messages |
|
 Post New Thread
Reply to Message
Post New Poll
Submit Vote
Delete My Own Post
Delete My Own Thread
| | |
Forum Tools
Printable Version
). 
