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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 5:45:03 PM
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StephK
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I was referring to the national media. If the press was doing their job all candidates would be fully and fairly vetted. The MSM can't figure out why they are tanking in ratings and sales. Us bitter clingers aren't as dumb as they think we are.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 6:58:45 PM
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Five weeks until election day, and that's an eternity in politics, but if I were Barack Obama, I'd be grinning from ear to ear at the moment. Ahead in every major poll, and ahead in every battleground state except one.
I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst. And if it happens, the GOP can rest asured they proved themselves still more than capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Sure, McCain can win. It's a long way to Election Day, with two debates to go. But McCain's chances are worsening daily.
His joint interview with Palin and Katie Couric didn't do him any favors, however. More than once, McCain looked like he was sheltering his running mate.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 7:59:44 PM
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Relax folks...five weeks is an eternity in politics....just 3 weeks ago you all were writting off Obama...
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 8:58:48 PM
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The GOP wil recapture the House and Senate and have a free hand to bring us back from the window ledge like it did in 2000.
LOL!
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 9:08:05 PM
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todd_t
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Agreed. Even if McCain wins the presidency, the GOP is going to take further losses in Congress.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 9:12:01 PM
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the GOP is going to take further losses in Congress.
Which is mind blowing considering the basement level approval ratings the do nothing Democratic controlled Congress has right now...
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 9:37:12 PM
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Which is mind blowing considering the basement level approval ratings the do nothing Democratic controlled Congress has right now...
As long as Congress is doing nothing then nothing is getting screwed up any worse than it already is. Honestly though Tafkam you must seriously underestimate how much contempt people have for Dubya and the job he has done the last few years. Look at the state of the Republican Party as it was in 2000 and look at it now. Everyone but myself was euphoric then.
This election is interesting because you have two pretty immovable ideas coming to a head. One is Dems don't win the Oval Office when they run as liberals. Remember Bill "I'm a new democrat" Clinton? Number two would be Obama is going to outspend McCain. The one who spends the most almost always wins an election. Now that the liberal is going to run as a liberal and he is going to outspend McCain it'll be interesting to see how it goes.
I am thinking that McCain will just barely win. There will be more losses by Republicans in both the House and Senate. This is going to be punishment for how dissatisfied people have been over the last 8 years as opposed to what the Congress is currently doing. If McCain wins the Congress will lean slowly back to the Reps in 2010 and if Obama wins it will be another big Republican swing in 2010.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 10:29:15 PM
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This election is going to be really hard to call. People I know that are die hard democrats who have been for more years than I have been alive don't think Obama has a chance and the same goes on the other side of the fence.
It will be very interesting in deed to see who wins.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 10:38:20 PM
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Polls often greatly differ from the actions of a voter in a booth.
It is extremely unpopular to say you are voting against Obama.
No one likes being called a racist. Inside the booth...it will be another story.
McCain will win. He will probably win in the biggest landslide in history.
The media will be so confused that their Messiah has not won and won easily they will react with the most vile attack upon an incoming president in history.
Palin has defined the media much more than she has defined herself. The irrational pure hatred against this person defines the medai as the liberal hatemongers they truly are. Yes, I said racist hate mongers. Oops, I didn't say racist, I said liberal.
Same difference.
I don't see at all anything McCain has done to derail his candidency. I have seen a concentrated effort by the media to derail it.
I say..they are afraid. The more violent they become, the more they reveal their fear.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 10:40:03 PM
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This election is going to be really hard to call. People I know that are die hard democrats who have been for more years than I have been alive don't think Obama has a chance and the same goes on the other side of the fence.
It will be very interesting in deed to see who wins.
G
Yeah, I have a feeling this could be 2000 all over again. Possibly too close to call on election day. Probably several states will be in dispute.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 10:45:24 PM
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Five weeks until election day, and that's an eternity in politics, but if I were Barack Obama, I'd be grinning from ear to ear at the moment. Ahead in every major poll, and ahead in every battleground state except one.
I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst. And if it happens, the GOP can rest asured they proved themselves still more than capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Sure, McCain can win. It's a long way to Election Day, with two debates to go. But McCain's chances are worsening daily.
His joint interview with Palin and Katie Couric didn't do him any favors, however. More than once, McCain looked like he was sheltering his running mate.
Interviews have been jokes, the people watching those are old people and they are wise enough to know that the media plays "gotcha" like McCain explained.
I don't know where you get he is sheltering her, because Palin was the one that jumped on Couric first and Couric was all like "what are you talking about" all innocent like "who me?"
Chris Rock was crackin jokes about her on Larry King saying he's done more interviews in one day than Palin has done and says that makes him more qualified,,,,,,like doing interviews is what qualifies you???? You and CR must think allike I guess, because I can't think of a time where an interview made or broke a candidate. Except for the time a dumb teacher gave Dan Quayle a missspellllled potaytoh flash card.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/1/2008 2:07:19 AM
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And frankly, they probably deserve it. Republicans have pretty much abandoned all vestiges of conservatism over the last decade or two.
Fully agree - certainly with respect to fiscal conservatism. The Bush administration has overspent massively. The Republican's biggest selling point should be small government - a la Reagan - but Bush has pretty much killed that one off.
McCain can still win, simply because of how much things can change in 40 days. In just 14 days, Palin's net approval plummeted from +17 to -10. It might well turn out she's got something less idiotic to say than her claim that Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience (just admit you don't have any, sweetheart! It's not a problem). Plus, there's the theory that pollsters report higher support for Obama than he'll actually get, due to latent racism - I'd like to think that's not true.
I don't think McCain will win it, though: the toss up states will be determined by the undecideds, who are likely to be put off by Palin, who's become the focus of the campaign. She'll mobilise the hardcore base, but do nothing for the independent voters. A voter who weighs up the Dems and the GOP - and therefore isn't hooked on either - is not the type who'll be swayed by 'Palin, she's a mom, she's just like me'-type arguments.
Out of interest - are they any/many on these boards who lean towards Obama?
I'm a Democrat and Obama supporter.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/1/2008 2:43:38 AM
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I've not seen any new McCain ads in a while, only sparse airings of the "Original Mavericks" ad. The airwaves are inundated with Obama ads though. (Picking up broadcast TV stations out of Ohio.) Makes me wonder what the McCain camp is thinking/doing. I mean, we're talking a significant battleground state and his campaign has all but retreated from the field.
Senator McCain faces an extremely uphill battle so long as economic difficulties dominate the headlines. Unless something major happens that would enable him to irrefutably lay blame for the disaster at the Democrats' feet, things look grim. (Barring some shocking revelation about Senator Obama resulting in criminal charges or something like that.)
I almost wonder if Senator McCain is contemplating "taking one for the team" and his campaign is devising a strategy to use its resources more for securing one of the Houses of Congress (probably the Senate) than contesting the Presidency. Dunno how feasible that would be since I don't know what any of the races look like at this point. But if they really felt like the White House was a lost cause, capturing the Senate would at least allow the Republicans to somewhat limit what Obama could do as President.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/1/2008 3:18:05 AM
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Obama won the Democratic primary by having a superior ground game. Those volunteers, lists, and state-by-state organizations haven't gone away and Obama is still pumping millions of dollars into them.
People who are predicting a landslide for McCain are foolish. McCain will probably have to be up by at least 2-3% to counter the Democratic ground game this year. Of course he can still win, but the only one with a chance of winning by a landslide is Obama.
Now, if McCain had picked Bobby Jindal instead of Sarah Palin, he probably would not be losing by 5% or more in the polls right now. He would have excited the base just as much as Palin, and he could have been trusted to go out alone in front of the media and give intelligible answers. Ah well.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/1/2008 4:22:21 AM
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No one likes being called a racist. Inside the booth...it will be another story.
McCain will win. He will probably win in the biggest landslide in history.
1984 and Walter Mondale's 10 EC votes (Minnesota only) to beat - can we have 50 bucks on that not happening?!
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/1/2008 11:46:19 AM
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LabGuy
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Obama won the Democratic primary by having a superior ground game. Those volunteers, lists, and state-by-state organizations haven't gone away and Obama is still pumping millions of dollars into them.
Some Democrats would argue about the character of Senator Obama's ground game. (See the "We will not be silenced" thread.)
Further, you have state Democratic administrations doing what they can now to facilitate questionable voting, like same-day registration and voting in Ohio, and attempting to bar party poll observers from the process. (You might argue the merits of the former, but the latter in my opinion is a transparent effort to enable fraud.)
Here's another article on what's going on in Ohio, and near the end notes the Ohio Secretary of State's attempt to reject absentee ballot requests from likely McCain supporters based on a contrived technicality.
The point is indeed well taken. The Obama campaign's ground game is formidable.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/1/2008 11:52:12 AM
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I said fairly early, and I have said a number of times since, this election is Obama's to lose; and barring a serious mistake between now and November, he is going to have a pretty easy go of it.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/1/2008 12:07:55 PM
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Mccain don't fit in end times. Which we are in. Barak does.
Um, we have been in the end times for over 2,000 years. Don't believe the 'Left Behind' hype.. no one did till the 1800's.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/1/2008 8:28:08 PM
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With the Wall Street Crisis and the media in the tank for Obama, this is his election to lose. About the only way for this to happen is for him to declare that he and Osama are brothers.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/2/2008 10:02:34 AM
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In my opinion that's exploitation at its finest Possibly. OTOH, they ARE citizens and they DO have the right to vote. Getting them out to vote is not in and of itself exploitive, IMO. There is no rule that says one MUST be informed and politically astute to vote.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/2/2008 12:41:27 PM
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Looks like Obama will take this one. But just remember....God Is In Control!!
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/2/2008 1:12:21 PM
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The number of game changing events is running out, it's really down to the remaining debates. Sarah Palin has to hit one out of the park tonight (I'm pulling for her, but I'm not overly optimistic), and McCain needs to seriously break out a can of whoop-butt before his next debate with Obama. Another snoozefest like the first debate will not help his standing.
The only glimmer of hope I have at this moment is the memory of 2004 when every poll going into election day showing Kerry on top, and yet he lost by such a substantial margin.
Who knows, maybe the polls have it wrong again this time.... 
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